Wrexis

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Summary:
  • Akihiko Matsui steps down as producer
  • Yoji Fujito steps in as replacement
  • Dev team is being scaled down so the devs can move to other departments and skill up and not stifle their careers
  • They will potentially work on FFXI again later
  • Strong focus on "long-term stability of operations" including server upgrades to enable the game to run if not indefinitely, then for a very long time
Just to be clear, the game is not shutting down, but it does seem this is the true maintenance mode people expected the last time the game was scaled back in 2015.

First, I'd like to talk about our Development team. Most of our current Development team has served exclusively on FINAL FANTASY XI for many years. Remaining on the FFXI team full-time, however, would mean giving up certain opportunities in their careers as developers. For developers, working with new technologies and seeing the fruits of their labor take form in new products can be a huge source of motivation and an opportunity to grow.

So rather than limit our developers to working exclusively with FFXI and its decades-old technology, I believe it would be better to allow them to gain experience in other development environments and bring back their learnings to FFXI. As such, I have elected to further downscale the scope of our Development team to provide more leeway for our operations to continue. The scope of our version updates will become quite compact as a result, but in exchange, we will focus on stabilizing our operations environment for the medium and long term.

We remain committed to keeping FINAL FANTASY XI an enjoyable environment where you can join fellow adventurers and our teams in their collective enthusiasm for the game, and I look forward to having you with us on this journey.

Finally, I imagine you may still have concerns about the future of FINAL FANTASY XI, which I believe is only natural considering the change in leadership. Please feel free to pose any questions you may have on the official forums and I will address what I can

Speculation: Matsui might be moving to FF17. He's not retiring.
 
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Kalor

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Not surprised that they'll scaling down now that the recent story additions are done. A natural stepping down/successor and they'll still be updating the game a bit and maintaining it. Plus events in the real world again.
 

tabris

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Did the game have any kind of expansion somewhere near the end that wrapped up everything? I stopped playing somewhere around the middle of Wings of the Goddess.
 

Warukyure

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Well, this is concerning. But they have bought quite a bit of time seeing as Sortie is still somewhat of a new event, and there's still quite a bit to do in Odyssey.

I wonder if they're going to add on to the new weapons because they're just kinda there.

Well, still have tons of relevant old content to do I guess. Hopefully, with the server upgrades it doesn't take 5 minutes to load in all your wardrobes and bags.
 
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I wonder what this means for the current storyline.

It's finishing next month. Clearly part of the plan.

Did the game have any kind of expansion somewhere near the end that wrapped up everything? I stopped playing somewhere around the middle of Wings of the Goddess.

That's the funny bit. It did in 2015. An epic conclusion that was supposed to be the finale.
Well it was until 2020 when they added another one - a bonus expansion nobody expected!

That's finishing next month.
 

famicorpse

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I'd like this game to get a Dragon Quest X Offline type release. I never got to experience the world and story first hand.
 

Kalor

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Well, this is concerning. But they have bought quite a bit of time seeing as Sortie is still somewhat of a new event, and there's still quite a bit to do in Odyssey.

I wonder if they're going to add on to the new weapons because they're just kinda there.

Well, still have tons of relevant old content to do I guess. Hopefully, with the server upgrades it doesn't take 5 minutes to load in all your wardrobes and bags.

The weapons are still getting updates this year

I'd like to go into more detail regarding what this entails. For 2023, we are going to focus on three things in particular:
- Ambuscade updates
- Prime Weapon reforging
- Master Trials
 

Warukyure

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Did the game have any kind of expansion somewhere near the end that wrapped up everything? I stopped playing somewhere around the middle of Wings of the Goddess.

They kinda said that with the Rhapsody of Vana'diel storyline/expansion.

But then they went ahead and made the new storyline of Voracious Resurgence.
 

Lord Vatek

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Did the game have any kind of expansion somewhere near the end that wrapped up everything? I stopped playing somewhere around the middle of Wings of the Goddess.
Yeah Rhapsodies of Vana'diel tied all of the expansions together and is intended to be the final big story.

The current Voracious Resurgence is more like a side-story in comparison.
 

Warukyure

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I'd like this game to get a Dragon Quest X Offline type release. I never got to experience the world and story first hand.

That would be a massive undertaking, if they broke it up, they could make more money and could just focus on smaller scale from expansion to expansion. But then you have the problem of declining sales per expansion.

The weapons are still getting updates this year

That's good at least, if it's anything like the Empyrean weapons level 90-95-99 upgrade paths, that could tide people over for the next year or more. 1500 plates was ridiculous and farming Botolus Rex for hours for maybe 1 or 2 Riftcinders was crazy.
 

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I actually wonder whether this could be part of a reshuffle in preparation for a new MMO. Like I'm thinking long term but it could be they're starting to think about the next one in 7+ years.

That would be a massive undertaking, if they broke it up, they could make more money and could just focus on smaller scale from expansion to expansion. But then you have the problem of declining sales per expansion.
True but DQX Offline is adding in expansions one at a time as dlc. But yeah, there's an issue with declining sales. I'd do my bit!
 
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I actually wonder whether this could be part of a reshuffle in preparation for a new MMO. Like I'm thinking long term but it could be they're starting to think about the next one in 7+ years.


True but DQX Offline is adding in expansions one at a time as dlc. But yeah, there's an issue with declining sales. I'd do my bit!

11, 14, 17 maybe?
 

Dreamboum

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I understand that spending so many years on outdated engines might ruin your career opportunities tbh
 

Warukyure

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I actually wonder whether this could be part of a reshuffle in preparation for a new MMO. Like I'm thinking long term but it could be they're starting to think about the next one in 7+ years.

Maybe, probably would see how the reception of the next FFXIV expansion/story arc is first. I think there might still be plenty in the tank and you don't want to cannabalize your own sales. It only took from ARR to EW for the Ascian/Zodiark Arc.

True but DQX Offline is adding in expansions one at a time as dlc. But yeah, there's an issue with declining sales. I'd do my bit!

I'll be right there too.


Personally, I think they should've just rolled all the MMO subs into a single and simple monthly fee that gave you access to all 3 MMO. I think the thought of paying for 2 MMOs scares people and there were people who legitimately wanted to try FFXI but the price for such an old game turned them away.

Also, maybe they should've considered rotations. Since all MMOs are technically under Yoshida, could've just cycled in Devs from any of the 3 teams kinda like to keep people fresh and at the same time, give new ideas or help apply problem solving from other games and seeing if it works for another.
 

Kinthey

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I'm surprised it was still going at all. Seems unusual to keep two MMO's in active development at the same time.
 

Toth

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I understand that spending so many years on outdated engines might ruin your career opportunities tbh

Agreed. I haven't played 11 in a bit though I do plan on going back. The game needs some kind of HD remaster to make it viable for new players but they haven't done anything yet. I would love to see development staff come back from other projects and see if they can do something about the old hardware and infrastructure.
 

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I'd love to see it but I think XVII is too soon, since XIV is still so popular.
Didn't Endwalker just conclude the ARR era of storylines so they can start a completely new chapter with new characters and stories?
Yup. A new MMO wouldn't make much sense right now.
 
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I can't see 17 being a MMO when 14 is just now getting major Graphical changes & updates with the upcoming expansion, at it's earliest I expect something like FF20 or 21 to be one

At the rate they're going FFXX ain't coming until 2030 or later lol, i agree XVII is probably already in dev as a traditional entry but wouldn't rule out XVIII or XIX being the next MMO.
 

Mikch85

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I wonder how many people were still working on FFXI. Definitely time to move on honestly.
 

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At the rate they're going FFXX ain't coming until 2030 or later lol, i agree XVII is probably already in dev as a traditional entry but wouldn't rule out XVIII or XIX being the next MMO.

Yeah calling it FF20 maybe is a bit far 😂but For sure I don't think they'll release a new MMO till like 2027/28 FFXIV Still has enough bones to last it a long while
 

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have a cheaper sub or combine it with XIVs and ill gladly play it more. Currently have a XIV permanently subbed while having DQX and ESO on rotation every couple of months and i just cant justify FFXI.
 

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ESO is my next MMO project but I'm excited to get to this game at some point. Shame they never brought it to modern consoles!
 

Synohan

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I remember them mentioning doing something to make the game a bit more accessible, is that still going to happen? I'd like to experience all of XI's story before it's gone forever, but I hear the beginning is a bit chaotic.
 

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I remember them mentioning doing something to make the game a bit more accessible, is that still going to happen? I'd like to experience all of XI's story before it's gone forever, but I hear the beginning is a bit chaotic.
They had a partnership with Nexon to bring it to mobile, but it got cancelled for "quality reasons."

We're talking about the company that greenlighted The Quiet Man and Babylon's Fall by the way.
 

SixtyTwoMike

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After being adopted by an FC and spending 500 hours experiencing FF14 in just a few months as a person brand new to MMOs, I wish someone would help me through this too!
 
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I remember them mentioning doing something to make the game a bit more accessible, is that still going to happen? I'd like to experience all of XI's story before it's gone forever, but I hear the beginning is a bit chaotic.

It did years ago. You can solo all of the story content, especially the stuff added in the first 15 years.
 

Dolce

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I can't see 17 being a MMO when 14 is just now getting major Graphical changes & updates with the upcoming expansion, at it's earliest I expect something like FF20 or 21 to be one

I wouldn't look too deeply into the FFXIV graphical updates. I'm pretty sure it's going to be like Diablo II Resurrected, where it's essentially the new graphics as a layer running on the old game. So the skeleton of FFXIV, the engine itself, is not going to change. Based on what Yoshida said and showed, that's exactly what it looks like. This will allow them to continue support for lower end PCs and the PS4.
 

Synohan

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They had a partnership with Nexon to bring it to mobile, but it got cancelled for "quality reasons."

We're talking about the company that greenlighted The Quiet Man and Babylon's Fall by the way.
It did years ago. You can solo all of the story content, especially the stuff added in the first 15 years.

Yeah I remember the botched mobile thing. I more meant I think they said something during the New Years 2023 greeting about making the game 'more comfortable for new adventures'. Well if not, might be time to start my journey in XI.
 

Parshias

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To give an idea of how old the tech is for FFXI, the game's development is still done exclusively through PS2 dev kits despite the PC version being the only one still in service. SE had to actually go and source PS2 dev kits from other developers because their original ones were beginning to break down. Eventually FFXI might have to stop updates because there would literally be no more PS2 dev kits to make updates on.

Plus they are limited in how many new objects can even be added. I believe the developers have said they're either run out or are nearly out of spaces to add Trusts to the game. Most 'new' content uses old models because of this.
 

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As an endgame FFXI player until just a few months ago, this isn't surprising to me, with Voracious Resurgence ending in May.

It is a shame though. There was a huge resurgence in players leading up to the 20th anniversary, people who really wanted XI to continue. But the development team put the writing on the wall when they said there would be no new outdoor zones being added for Voracious. That took a lot of wind out of the playerbase's sails. Basically all people wanted was another Reisenjima (the endgame zone added for Rhapsodies).

That's basically why I quit. Just seemed like a dead end. That, and the instanced content introduced over the past few years (Odyssey and Sortie) introduced massive power creep, with equipment that trivialized all other content in the game, creating a feedback loop of doing Ody/Sortie to do more Ody/Sortie. Bearing in mind, these are 30min-1hr activities you can only do once a day, and are strictly 6-man so that caused a lot of awkward exclusions among friends.

The EXP required for the Master Level system they added also got severely out of hand, with ML35-50 requiring such vast sums that it all but required botting overnight. No avenue for real parties to grind it in a sane amount of time. (Well, there was an AoE method for real parties to EXP quickly, but they nerfed it of course.)

All this is to say, endgame quickly became very stale with these new additions, and with no light at the end of the tunnel as far as real new content.

Personally, I think they should've just rolled all the MMO subs into a single and simple monthly fee that gave you access to all 3 MMO. I think the thought of paying for 2 MMOs scares people and there were people who legitimately wanted to try FFXI but the price for such an old game turned them away.

From what I remember, this presented difficulties because something about FFXI's subscription is baked into PlayOnline.

Real talk, but SE desperately needed to a Realm Reborn style overhaul of FFXI years ago. Not necessarily graphically (it's aged shockingly well with some HD mods), but tear out PlayOnline completely, and rebuild the game's foundation so it isn't based on and limited by 20-year-old PS2 devkits.

Those are the fundamental issues that plague the game, which prevent it from being added to or modernized. Just so much antiquated garbage code that no one on the team is qualified to touch without breaking something. POL alone has deterred how many countless people from playing XI?
 

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This isn't surprising. Creative Business Unit 3 has already started moving on to their next projects which I hope contains a long-term plan for XI's preservation, which Yoshi-P has highlighted as a focus multiple times in the past.
 
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Wish they didn't cancel the IOS release :-(

I want to play it again so badly but it's not on modern consoles and I don't have PC anymore.