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I used to think you were OK, misjudged you huh.
This kinda gives you an idea why the backlash is happening. In a way you're right, it's just another comic book movie but if you think just a bit you will understand. Think about how every major franchise or epic blockbuster has either had no strong minority/black representation outside of the Black BFF or the old police chief that has the hero's back but never really does anything useful or memorable. And now here comes this movie where the black actors are front and center and even the director is black and it goes against everything you've been accustomed to.Calling this movie a "movement" is also idiotic tho. Did people call Blade the same stuff?
It's just yet another good Marvel superhero flick.
People on 4chan and other sites organized some kind of mass commenting/tweeting campaign to try to defame this movie. They planned to do it all at the same time and use multiple accounts per person so that the backlash looks bigger than it really is. It's just a dust fart. The movie is going to do well.
If anything you should be relieved that the ones who do stuff like this are actually a small percentage of white people.
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I used to think you were OK, misjudged you huh.
MOD EDIT: Please do not bring up cross forum drama.
I used to think you were OK, misjudged you huh.
I think it is the heavy African aspect of the movie which really gripes these racist guys.
They just can't let black people have their culture front and centre in a Marvel movie like this.
I think they see it as threatening especially when it is being regarded as one of the greatest Marvel movies made.
Thankfully I think they are a tiny (but vocal) minority living only in internet land.
Overplayed your hand there m8Holy crap, see this is the sort of crap it's become now, oh you said a mean thing, let me google your handle and dig through anything you've ever said to make you look worse.
That my friends is how these mental SJW folks work. GG WP. Ninj is a good guy, occasionally says dumb crap,
But everyone at some stage has said something dumb and later regret it.
If this is a thing that bothers someone and gets them worked up then they clearly have nothing else going on in their life.
You need to dig a bit deeper and see it in the context of everything and not just this specific movie. Semantics aside, you can't tell me that a major block buster with a full minority cast is not a movement in the context of Hollywood blockbusters in the last 40 years. Again see it from not your perspective but those other ppl's.I can see why people might call it a movement but I think event is more appropriate. Movement for me is something that carries real life weight (BLM, MLK rights battle). As I said before in one of my posts, no one will look at it as a movie.
It's a comic book movie yet people will try to use it as platform for further shitflinging. Alt right idiots crying, people tripping themselves to proclaim how woke this movie it is, "Wakanda could have been real", etc.
It's just annoying.
You need to dig a bit deeper and see it in the context of everything and not just this specific movie. Semantics aside, you can't tell me that a major block buster with a full minority cast is not a movement in the context of Hollywood blockbusters in the last 40 years. Again see it from not your perspective but those other ppl's.
An event is a "DC vs Marvel" movie.
Shit runs deep in everyday folk. My dad asked my once why we don't have straight pride parades
I know
Holy crap, see this is the sort of crap it's become now, oh you said a mean thing, let me google your handle and dig through anything you've ever said to make you look worse.
That my friends is how these mental SJW folks work. GG WP. Ninj is a good guy, occasionally says dumb crap,
But everyone at some stage has said something dumb and later regret it.
Don't over play your hand friendo.Holy crap, see this is the sort of crap it's become now, oh you said a mean thing, let me google your handle and dig through anything you've ever said to make you look worse.
That my friends is how these mental SJW folks work. GG WP. Ninj is a good guy, occasionally says dumb crap,
But everyone at some stage has said something dumb and later regret it.
That's a rough one. I guess I have been lucky and not exposed to 'everyday folk' so much, I just cannot get in the mindset of someone who would find a film with black people in to be disgusting and insulting to their core.
We need to start identifying the ppl that create trash like this and stopping them rather then waiting for the trash to crap out and then get mad at it. Little use getting mad at the crap on the floor rather than getting mad at the dog that left it.I'm a white person, and I admit we where a mistake.
YouTube comments are more asinine than YouTube friends. If you,don't like it, turn it off and watch something else. The option to go to the comments and type "ur fukkin gay suk my massive dick" needs to be removed.
YouTube doesnt give a shit about comments, only views, so I don't understand why they keep it.
I firmly believe that some are just trolls, without any strong feelings on one way or another. They just get a kick out of acting like a buffoon and getting people to react. Now for the rest of them, I don't know really. But the first post was probably right.
I'm sorry but that comparison isn't particularly well thought.
Banner turning into a green monster isn't politically charged. Thor coming from a race of aliens with god-like technology isn't politically charged.
Wakanda being the way it is is more than politically charged, it's a political statement. Wakanda being the way it is is absolutely something that is rooted in the idea of fighting racism and completely self aware about it. It's an attempt to blend african traditions with the idea of technological supremacy for the sake of creating a fantasy (and there's nothing wrong in this, as all superheroes are power fantasies) that surpasses and exceeds reality.
As a white man who harbours the ambition of not being racist (while being fully aware it's not up to me to decide if I am or not) I have to admit that I find the idea of Wakanda... racist. I know it's an attempt to make Africa amazing and invincible in the fantasy context of the Marvel universe, but in doing so it takes a giant dump on actual Africa and African people. There's no secret paradise in Africa, there's no secret culture that blends technology and science and illuminism. I've been to Africa frequently and it's a land of stark contrasts (and many difficulties) but I can't shake the idea that Wakanda is basically a way of saying "If we portrayed Africa like it is, that would be racist or uncool or whatever, but our super fantasy Africa instead is progressive and awesome". And there's a strong difference between re-creating New York as it is and then inserting one impossibly brilliant guy with super technology or a kid with special powers, and scrapping an entire continent to create your own better, nonproblematic, irrealistic version because you think the actual thing isn't acceptable.
Maybe I'm wrong. I hope to be wrong. But I can't shake the feeling that Wakanda is basically running a bus over Africa in order to make african-americans happy. And at the risk of making a generalization, it's an incredibly american thing, completely tone deaf to the state of the rest of the planet. Wakanda isn't much different from the several fantasy hellholes Marvel or DC create in eastern Europe, showing an incredible lack of respect for PLACES THAT ACTUALLY EXIST and where actual people live.
You want to create a fictional evil country run by a racist dictactor? Twist Alabama, not Latvia. You want to create a supertechnological culture of black people that are incredibly superior to the actual thing? Hide it in Illinois, not Africa.
I didn't need to Google shit, I've interacted with him plenty of times over the years, so when I see him post dumb shit multiple times, I call him out. Especially when it seems agendas are at play.
Kinda like yours.
Don't over play your hand friendo.
Can't keep the troll game up if you let everyone know how you really feel.
as if it weren't obvious enough, indeed
I'm sorry but that comparison isn't particularly well thought.
Banner turning into a green monster isn't politically charged. Thor coming from a race of aliens with god-like technology isn't politically charged.
Wakanda being the way it is is more than politically charged, it's a political statement. Wakanda being the way it is is absolutely something that is rooted in the idea of fighting racism and completely self aware about it. It's an attempt to blend african traditions with the idea of technological supremacy for the sake of creating a fantasy (and there's nothing wrong in this, as all superheroes are power fantasies) that surpasses and exceeds reality.
As a white man who harbours the ambition of not being racist (while being fully aware it's not up to me to decide if I am or not) I have to admit that I find the idea of Wakanda... racist. I know it's an attempt to make Africa amazing and invincible in the fantasy context of the Marvel universe, but in doing so it takes a giant dump on actual Africa and African people. There's no secret paradise in Africa, there's no secret culture that blends technology and science and illuminism. I've been to Africa frequently and it's a land of stark contrasts (and many difficulties) but I can't shake the idea that Wakanda is basically a way of saying "If we portrayed Africa like it is, that would be racist or uncool or whatever, but our super fantasy Africa instead is progressive and awesome". And there's a strong difference between re-creating New York as it is and then inserting one impossibly brilliant guy with super technology or a kid with special powers, and scrapping an entire continent to create your own better, nonproblematic, irrealistic version because you think the actual thing isn't acceptable.
Maybe I'm wrong. I hope to be wrong. But I can't shake the feeling that Wakanda is basically running a bus over Africa in order to make african-americans happy. And at the risk of making a generalization, it's an incredibly american thing, completely tone deaf to the state of the rest of the planet. Wakanda isn't much different from the several fantasy hellholes Marvel or DC create in eastern Europe, showing an incredible lack of respect for PLACES THAT ACTUALLY EXIST and where actual people live.
You want to create a fictional evil country run by a racist dictactor? Twist Alabama, not Latvia. You want to create a supertechnological culture of black people that are incredibly superior to the actual thing? Hide it in Illinois, not Africa.
Both sides, huh? Cool.So you have his past interactions saved? Interesting. I have no agenda here other than what I stated. I just find it crazy you felt it was okay to link other sources.
under the " I used to think you were cool man" laughable person.
Not even trolling, that's the sad thing, you see that bad news these days comes after something else happens you then see twitter screens or old old stuff suddenly in the limelight again.
Both sides in this ridiculous state of identity politics that the US has these days do the same thing. I just find it absolutely ridiculous.
An argument or statement from a person should be taken from that point of time, not the ohhh side quest look at 10 things they did before this sheeesh.
just because it's a trend that doesn't mean it applies to youSick and tired of being clumped in with bad eggs by this forum. I get you, you lot hate us. Yeesh.
I didn't need to Google shit, I've interacted with him plenty of times over the years, so when I see him post dumb shit multiple times, I call him out. Especially when it seems agendas are at play.
Kinda like yours.
Sick and tired of being clumped in with bad eggs by this forum. I get you, you lot hate us. Yeesh. Sounds like more a problem with the people that are products of the USA rather than a race thing. You lot are crazy.
Lookin' forward to seeing the movie, like almost everyone I know.
Part of the problem is that a lot of people have been conditioned to perceive Africa and Africans through the red Cross lense of poverty - "starving children in Africa" is a part of the everyday American lexicon. They are unable to perceive Africa or Africans in any other way.But Wakanda is not Africa. It's an African nation. There are successful African nations. There have been African nations of great wealth and gold-plated rulers. A social-realist, skewing toward depressive depiction of Africa is still a lot more common than any shiny fantasy. This is a welcome diversion, not a symptom of a recurring problem. Diversity in representation is basically just about that: Diversity. You absolutely need to show Africa as it is, as well as its problems and issues, and that's being done, but you also need to allow Africa to be a place for cool, bad-ass successful fantasy worlds, like anywhere else.
Already used, pal.
because they are the majority and a lot of them rather it stay that way, duhYeah I know, just always screeching about how all white people are the bloody devil on this forum.
I'm sorry but that comparison isn't particularly well thought.
Banner turning into a green monster isn't politically charged. Thor coming from a race of aliens with god-like technology isn't politically charged.
Wakanda being the way it is is more than politically charged, it's a political statement. Wakanda being the way it is is absolutely something that is rooted in the idea of fighting racism and completely self aware about it. It's an attempt to blend african traditions with the idea of technological supremacy for the sake of creating a fantasy (and there's nothing wrong in this, as all superheroes are power fantasies) that surpasses and exceeds reality.
As a white man who harbours the ambition of not being racist (while being fully aware it's not up to me to decide if I am or not) I have to admit that I find the idea of Wakanda... racist. I know it's an attempt to make Africa amazing and invincible in the fantasy context of the Marvel universe, but in doing so it takes a giant dump on actual Africa and African people. There's no secret paradise in Africa, there's no secret culture that blends technology and science and illuminism. I've been to Africa frequently and it's a land of stark contrasts (and many difficulties) but I can't shake the idea that Wakanda is basically a way of saying "If we portrayed Africa like it is, that would be racist or uncool or whatever, but our super fantasy Africa instead is progressive and awesome". And there's a strong difference between re-creating New York as it is and then inserting one impossibly brilliant guy with super technology or a kid with special powers, and scrapping an entire continent to create your own better, nonproblematic, irrealistic version because you think the actual thing isn't acceptable.
Maybe I'm wrong. I hope to be wrong. But I can't shake the feeling that Wakanda is basically running a bus over Africa in order to make african-americans happy. And at the risk of making a generalization, it's an incredibly american thing, completely tone deaf to the state of the rest of the planet. Wakanda isn't much different from the several fantasy hellholes Marvel or DC create in eastern Europe, showing an incredible lack of respect for PLACES THAT ACTUALLY EXIST and where actual people live.
You want to create a fictional evil country run by a racist dictactor? Twist Alabama, not Latvia. You want to create a supertechnological culture of black people that are incredibly superior to the actual thing? Hide it in Illinois, not Africa.
Edit: and mind you, I very much look forward to seeing Black Panther which I absolutely expect to be awesome, I would just be more comfortable around the idea of it being about a black guy with superpowers that make him so much better than an actual black guy, without the part about the black superculture that exists because the actual black countries and cultures apparently aren't good enough. Or something. I simply think there's a strong different between idealizing a hero and idealizing a people. Because when you create a fictional hero you're creating an icon, when you replace an actual culture with a fictional one you're doing something else.