Ethiopian Airlines: Boeing 737 crashes on way to Kenya (UP: No survivors)
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They need to ground this model of plane until they have everything figured out.
Tragic stuff. RIP.
Tragic stuff. RIP.
Like Lion Air the plane was practically brand new.
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/a...ident-involves-four-month-old-737-max-456486/
Tragic news, hopefully there's survivors although I'm not hopeful.
So was this Ethiopian Airlines 737 if I'm reading correctly.
So was this Ethiopian Airlines 737 if I'm reading correctly.
This aircraft, like the Lion Air, was a brand new Boeing 737-Max 8.
This aircraft, like the Lion Air, crashed soon after takeoff.
Without further details, it would be wise not to come to any premature conclusions. But at the same time there are very concerning parallels between the two incidents.
if the alarm bells were not ringing at Boeing, they should be now.
There are 350 Boeing 737 Max aircraft currently in service.
This aircraft, like the Lion Air, crashed soon after takeoff.
Without further details, it would be wise not to come to any premature conclusions. But at the same time there are very concerning parallels between the two incidents.
if the alarm bells were not ringing at Boeing, they should be now.
There are 350 Boeing 737 Max aircraft currently in service.
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The MAX type of 737 has only been in service since May 22, 2017, so any of them will be brand new. 350+ of them delivered with 5000+ ordered.
Not good at all for such a new model if they find the accidents are because of similar reasons.
Hope they find the black box and figure out what went wrong.
Fucking hell, this is awful... It's hard to imagine what it must feel like for the relatives affected every time one of these things happen. :(
Fucking hell, this is awful... It's hard to imagine what it must feel like for the relatives affected every time one of these things happen. :(
Update: No survivors
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https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-...ce-737-max-stall-protection-system-under-fire
They were already exploring the idea that the newly introduced stall prevention system might have contributed to the Lion Air one several months ago otherwise the 737 basically has been the same mostly since the 60's other than avionics and other improvements.
They were already exploring the idea that the newly introduced stall prevention system might have contributed to the Lion Air one several months ago otherwise the 737 basically has been the same mostly since the 60's other than avionics and other improvements.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Boeing_737_MAX_orders_and_deliveries
Most of these on order and it doesn't specify how many Max 8s have been delivered vs other variants but American and Southwest have both bought them.
Damn. Heart goes out to the families on this, while the thought it might be some recurring if infrequent issue is... Unsettling.
The Lion Air flight was the same model of aircraft and had the same erratic vertical airspeed.
One theory with the Lion Air flight (as the investigation is still on going I believe) is the pitot tubes which measure the airspeed had problems.
There are currently 350+ planes of this type in service at the moment.
Hopefully they find the boxes asap and decide if grounding is an advisable course of action.
RIP to souls on board and strength to families and supporting staff.
This plane(that crashed) entered service a day after the Lion Air crash so it's fairly new.
The pitot tubes had issues yes, but it was the software that kept pitching the plane down by autotrimming the elevators and the crew not able to identify this issue in time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Boeing_737_MAX_orders_and_deliveries
Notable deliveries:
Air Canada: 20
American Airlines: 22
Norwegian Air Shuttle: 18
Southwest Airlines: 32
United Airlines: 12
WestJet: 12
EDIT: Sky reporting an "Unstable vertical climb" - could be the Trim Assist issue..
Notable deliveries:
Air Canada: 20
American Airlines: 22
Norwegian Air Shuttle: 18
Southwest Airlines: 32
United Airlines: 12
WestJet: 12
EDIT: Sky reporting an "Unstable vertical climb" - could be the Trim Assist issue..
Horrible, condolences to the families. Too early to jump to conclusions but if it does turn out to be the same issue as the Lion Air flight, will Boeing just blame training again?
If I'm not mistaken, the simplified explanation for Lion air is faulty sensors led to the automatic stall recovery system making erratic manoeuvres including possibly sending the plane into a dive. Boeings response was that pilots should know how to disable it and recover the situation. Counter arguments are that the new feature was inadequately communicated, and that if it can lead to such behaviour it's essentially a design flaw.
If I'm not mistaken, the simplified explanation for Lion air is faulty sensors led to the automatic stall recovery system making erratic manoeuvres including possibly sending the plane into a dive. Boeings response was that pilots should know how to disable it and recover the situation. Counter arguments are that the new feature was inadequately communicated, and that if it can lead to such behaviour it's essentially a design flaw.
Is it normal for a US agency to quarterback a situation like this that's not in the US?
They are usually invited to to help the local agencies, as the company that manufactures the plane and its systems is from the US.
If it's a plane manufactured in the US or an American company, it is totally normal by the international aviation laws if I remember right.
Oooh I forgot Boeing was manufactured here.
Yes, country of origin of the plane. Same with the BEA, French equivalent of the NTSB, when an Airbus is involved in any accident.
RIP to all passengers, this is terrible.
Damn that's awful. I hope they locate the problem ASAP and hope the families and friends of those who perished get the help and assistance they'll need.
What? You're contradicting yourself here.
What? You're contradicting yourself here.
I meant that it did have issues most notably the US AIr and United Airlines accidents.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_737_rudder_issues
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_737_rudder_issues
I can't even imagine going out like that. RIP.
Is this like that recent crash where autopilot kept stalling because it could not read the altitude and speed?
Is this like that recent crash where autopilot kept stalling because it could not read the altitude and speed?