Drake vs. Kendrick, Future, & Metro - 5/24 - Drake raps over the BBL Drizzy beat on Sexxy Red's new mixtape
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I almost wish Drake would be stupid enough to start some shit again... I want - nay - need those +5 extra diss tracks.
Basically the best example of 'kaiba defeated' meme you could find:
This is probably copium but I feel like he wouldn't have initiated this in the first place if he didn't have a new project coming in the near future
And Kendrick ended up influencing that legacy, as Bowie's producer Tony Visconti recounted on Bowie's final album Blackstar: "We were listening to a lot of Kendrick Lamar. We loved the fact Kendrick was so open-minded and he didn't do a straight-up hip-hop record. He threw everything on there, and that's exactly what we wanted to do."
He'll release a new album when he has something to say, could be next month, could be in 5 years, but there's only been a big gap like that once and I'm pretty sure Mr Morale only took so long due to the personal subject matter resulting in years of writers block, plus birth of two kids, plus covid. He sounds hungry again, and I don't think he's just eating beef.
not really.
I had no idea but at the same time I'm not surprised.
If you really think this you lack historical perspective. It's waaaay too early to tell. And I say this as a Bowie fan who doesn't really listen to Taylor Swift.
what historical perspective am I lacking? it's hard to imagine a lot of 70s rock and pop sub-genres flourishing without Bowie. I can't think of an artist with the amount of output and variety of said output between 1970 and 1980. The record industry simply doesn't work the way it used to (which is a good thing btw) and the genres we recognize now weren't quite as codified as they are now.
Wasn't Kendrick sitting on the beat for MTG for a few years now? I think you're right.
Yeah, it's no diss to Swift because she's broken a zillion records but the whole point of the discussion is record sales is not the only barometer of an artists popularity or influence. As it stands now Swift will eclipse Madonna, Beyonce, Janet Jackson, Aretha Franklin, Whitney Houston as the biggest selling female pop star of all time. Her impact on the music business is immeasurable.
Impact in music itself though? In 15 plus years as a force in the industry? Much tougher sell against those names. It is a different time though and guitar and pure driven pop its hard to re-invent the wheel. She's not gonna pull a Radiohead and make experimental synth music, jazz a la Kendrick, but I bet you she's got a great dirt country album in her but that's no longer her brand.
All those things regarding Bowie are true. He's a legit trailblazer and iconoclast.
However it's still too early to evaluate TS impact. I might be a 48 year old white guy but I can honestly say I've never seen a major artist connect with young women like she does. Why is that so? How will she influence future generations?
You might be right in the end, but to really answer the question we'll need to ask historians at least 25 years after Swift is done making music.
I mean, I'm just a person on the internet too, but plenty of bands and artists connect with people just like she does all the time.
Made it to pbs lol
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Divorced from the beef itself, I might actually like Family Matters the best. But given the way it was released, Meet the Grahams is my favorite by far
Euphoria won the poll, but Not Like Us is the only answer among the touched some grass crowd.
If it was best diss, I probably wouldve voted something else. But with the poll saying best song, I had to vote NLU. Shit is a bop.
Meet the Grahams has to be my favorite. That beat that sounds like a horror movie, Kendrick going straight at Drake's throat with the reveals and implications... It's a scary, scary track and both Kendrick and Alc absolutely snapped. Yes, Not Like Us is a banger and it's funny, but Meet the Grahams is just next level.
Meet the Grahams was some movie shit, the calculated release, the piano... Dear Adonis, those two words sent chills through my spine. Sandra, sit down, the absolute disgust in his voice following that line. You lied. You lied. Creepy ass shit. Even detached from the whole beef it's a masterful piece of music.
A line from Euphoria that doesn't get talked about much
"It's 3 GOATs left and I see two of them kissin and huggin on stage
I love em to death and in 8 bars, I'll explain that phrase"
*8 bars later*
"Cole and Aubrey know I'm a selfish the crown is heavy
I pray they my real friends if not I'm YMW Melly"
I loved that he actually explained that eight bars later.
"It's 3 GOATs left and I see two of them kissin and huggin on stage
I love em to death and in 8 bars, I'll explain that phrase"
*8 bars later*
"Cole and Aubrey know I'm a selfish the crown is heavy
I pray they my real friends if not I'm YMW Melly"
I loved that he actually explained that eight bars later.
I loved the punch line (my favorite line of the entire battle) I feel like for many people online the bar counting thing overshadowed the punchline itself…
Poll ain't over is it?, I'm hoping NLU surpasses it. But I can't put NLU #1 because it's so dumbed down in service of being a bop. MTG is masterful in every way. From the display of hateful disrespect, to the technique, to sound mixing- it's what pure distain sounds like. My man told a kid, that he wishes his grandfather wore a condom… at the opening. Sheesh.
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Yeah, if the poll was best diss I'd choose MTG without a second thought. It's a masterclass in lyrical hate, from the strategy to the delivery. But as far as a song I want to hit repeat on, that's NLU.
There's a strong argument to be made for 6:16 In LA though. Not only is it smooth, there is a real ominous vibe to Kendrick warning Drake. Warning of what's to come, warning that he can't even trust his own crew.
It's dumbed down because less technically impressive than every other diss. Not because it's "simple or direct". Still a great song though. Just can't be my #1.
Favorite diss?
I realllllly liked the multileveled Euphoria. I'm a fan of switch-ups and the escalation was masterful.
But then MtG dropped and I was like
Haunting beat, fucked up lyrics, like the sequel to Adidon with a hint of Jay-Z's leaving used condoms in Nas' baby's car seat. It felt like a jab but at the same time… it was so right.
I realllllly liked the multileveled Euphoria. I'm a fan of switch-ups and the escalation was masterful.
But then MtG dropped and I was like
Haunting beat, fucked up lyrics, like the sequel to Adidon with a hint of Jay-Z's leaving used condoms in Nas' baby's car seat. It felt like a jab but at the same time… it was so right.
"Oooooo god my confusion is yours! Who am I if I don't go to war."
Underrated line I love the delivery.
Also Rocky's part in family matters is underrated. I think it's a pretty damn solid jab at him.
Underrated line I love the delivery.
Also Rocky's part in family matters is underrated. I think it's a pretty damn solid jab at him.
it's more impressive. the third verse of Not Like Us is a rundown of Atlanta's history as a Black Mecca and the thesis of Kendrick's entire beef with Drake's role in the culture. inspired by a single line in Family Matters that came like 12 hours before. in a dance song.
it takes a very narrow view of what is technically impressive to not see that as mastery of the art.
I think that song is impressive conceptually, as a diss, and in its execution as a club record. As such it's clearly a mastery of the art. I think it takes a special talent to make a song that labels someone a pedo go in the club.
But all of that is different from being technical. It's a bunch of single and double syllable rhymes, largely extreme off-rhymes. Part of mastery is knowing when strict technique is less important than a bunch of other qualities and NLU is a prime example of that. If he was hitting people with quadruple-syllable rhymes, and triple-entendres and wordplay that takes reading genius to understand, the song wouldn't have had the same impact.
So I think you taking it the wrong way when I say it's dumbed-down to be a bop. That's not an insult. He made the song with a purpose and excelled. It's just that for my personal tastes, my #1 song probably isn't going to be one that's tailor made to be a bop.
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Damn
Damn, he really went all in
Yeah that one is one of my favorite
Damn, he really went all in
This. That was absolutely the most impressive thing in that song and I guarantee it's what hurt Drake the most. "Prolly A minor" is an all-time one-liner, but that breakdown, followed by, "you not a colleague you a fucking colonizer" is masterful.
I would have voted Other for 6:16, but can't be associated with those voting for Taylor Made or The Heart 6 so I'm going with Euphoria instead.
Just want to not let you all forget how a good number of you were getting on Kendricks case for taking his time to respond and thinking Drake was doing something with Taylor Made lol. It's funny how the attitude here was before and after Euphoria dropped. Shout outs to the ones who knew what was coming.
Most the clock talk was just shooting the shit.
Also Taylor Made was a decent song/diss with or w/o the AI shit.
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I think a lot of it was just us spamming "Kendrick we need ya!!!"
lol in retrospect it wasn't a bad strat by Drake. I don't believe he is dumb enough to underestimate what Kendrick would be capable of. He had to have known there was a high likelihood he'd get cooked so taking his victory laps when he could plus trying to pressure Kendrick into dropping something half assed and premature was a decent angle to work off of.
And Taylor Made is not a "decent diss" by any stretch. All he does is call him short (again) and call him out for taking so long to drop when Drake had still taken longer to respond to Like That at this point in time. All the TSwift shit talk also backfired in a major way this week. The song is totally irrelevant and laughable to listen to now.
The way his voice gets louder and more emotional towards the last leg of the track on the Dear Aubrey verse.. goosebumps
I do, because I feel like most everyone knew that Kendrick was not going to lose this fight, even just on a technical level.
It's like me looking at Goku and going "Yeah, I can take him."
I mean, Sauce Walka torched Drake. Talking about the culture vulture shit he did to houston, acting stuff, etc. "You aint black, you a fucking cambodian ass dude". So to most unbiased ppl Kendrick was gonna win. The only thing I had Drake beating kendrick on was being the one with the hit song coming out of this.
Stop playing with me before I turn ya to a song.....
Stop playing with me before I turn ya to a song.....
