Coming from all-AMD builds, is DLSS too important to be shopping Radeon this gen?

[Grifter]

Assuming stock availability, of course.

Been shopping for a 6800XT and I appreciate the design and ease of Radeon's software, but the gains and quality from DLSS look fantastic and I've gotta expect that this will make its way into more games unless matching console feature-set takes priority.

For my situation, I have a 3070 on order and am curious if it'd be a better value by holding out for a 6000-series or even a 3080.

 

[OGlol]

yes, DLSS is crazy tech and definitely worth investing in imo. AMD will need to introduce their own solution soon to keep up.

 

[Tatsu91]

Tbh at this point yes as many bigger recent releases have supported it and more will to come.

 

[Patitoloco]

Extremely important IMO

 

[Santos]

I went with an AMD last gen, and I'm with NVidia for now just because of DLSS

 

[g23]

If the next switch has DLSS built-in, it's going to be a game changer

 

[Fatmanp]

If the next switch has DLSS built-in, it's going to be a game changer

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100% agreed. AMD can stay in it because the consoles thus AMD will largely dictate what tech is used in games. With the Switch there to try an balance that it could be big.

 

[Sarcastico]

DLSS is amazing. nVidia has AMD playing catch-up, yet again.

 

[trashbandit]

Just as a casual observer, while DLSS seems really cool it also seems that it's greatest utility is in making raytracing at higher framerates a reality. Given that AMD isn't there yet with raytracing, if that isn't a priority for you it seems like a Radeon card would be fine. I think AMD has also claimed some sort of increased optimization that you can take advantage of if you pair an AMD CPU + GPU, though I don't recall what exactly the optimization is for. Personally I'm shooting for an RTX card and an AMD CPU, whenever they become widely available.

 

[Lashley]

Yeah, DLSS honestly earns it's hype.

 

[Nostremitus]

yes, DLSS is crazy tech and definitely worth investing in imo. AMD will need to introduce their own solution soon to keep up.

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Radeon are apparently working with API developers for a universal hardware agnostic solution... Basically Gsync vs Freesync again where AMD will use an industry standard but Nvidia will keep pushing their proprietary offering.

 

[Deleted member 55311]

DLSS is what made me go through with my 3070 purchase over one of the AMD cards. RTX is cool as well but DLSS definitely made that sale.

 

[BobLoblaw]

Bigger than ray tracing. It's the holy grail of gaming. Free performance for the same visuals.

 

[Jamrock User]

The fact that unreal engine is embracing it is a major win for Nvidia. It truly is worth the Nvidia Tax.

 

[artsi]

Radeon are apparently working with API developers for a universal hardware agnostic solution... Basically Gsync vs Freesync again where AMD will use an industry standard but Nvidia will keep pushing their proprietary offering.

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AMD can call me when they have nailed it then.

Meanwhile DLSS is the black magic I'll be using because it works very well.

 

[LCGeek]

Just as a casual observer, while DLSS seems really cool it also seems that it's greatest utility is in making raytracing at higher framerates a reality. Given that AMD isn't there yet with raytracing, if that isn't a priority for you it seems like a Radeon card would be fine. I think AMD has also claimed some sort of increased optimization that you can take advantage of if you pair an AMD CPU + GPU, though I don't recall what exactly the optimization is for. Personally I'm shooting for an RTX card and an AMD CPU, whenever they become widely available.

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it greatest utility is that it enables more titles to get to 60-120fps if it's involved raytracing or not.

There sam feature will be put on nvidia cards soon and rage mode doesn't really have any gains.

 

[PixelatedDonut]

DLSS is magic, and at least for me is even worth it when not using RT, high framrates while running at optimized settings. Now my 2070s is still brought to it's knees on Cyberpunk, but that has more to do with it not having enough RT cores.

 

[catpurrcat]

It is incredible technology and necessary IMO

 

[Dest]

DLSS is fucking rad. I don't know how it works as well as it does but it does and it's incredible. They even have another revision coming out which is supposed to, somehow, be even better.

 

[Nostremitus]

AMD can call me when they have nailed it then.

Meanwhile DLSS is the black magic I'll be using because it works very well.

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Oh, I never meant that someone shouldn't buy Nvidia, just that AMD's offering will be longer coming since it involves getting various other entities all moving together as opposed to making something quickly that's proprietary and requires custom coding to work. We all know very few games would use AMD's offering if it were proprietary.

 

[Mullet2000]

The value of DLSS is too large to ignore imo. It's the difference between locking Cyberpunk to 30 fps and being able to play at 60 fps on my 2070 Super.

 

[Green]

Yes. Among many other features like this, I would not spend anything on an AMD card unless it was seriously discounted vs the equivalent Nvidia card.

DLSS is legit magic.

If you're like SUPER, SUPER sensitive to image quality, you might not like it, though. I'm quite sensitive, but I really do have to look for the "artifacts" with DLSS on. Nothing any more serious than other temporal SS or AA type things in the past, though in my opinion.

 

[Chief Malik]

Radeon are apparently working with API developers for a universal hardware agnostic solution... Basically Gsync vs Freesync again where AMD will use an industry standard but Nvidia will keep pushing their proprietary offering.

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It's apparently not really comparable according to digital foundry. Doesn't use AI hardware at all and something similar to TAA

 

[RivalGT]

Its impressive tech, and its something I would want in my GPU, but very few games actually use it. Its a game changer for the few games it does work with though, the 2.0 implementation mainly, earlier versions just made the games blurry.

 

[CheeseWraith]

It's very important, as it's a catch-all solution. Right now we're using pre-trained models to get the upscaling.

There will be a time when you 'll be able to "train" DLSS on your own. It's just a matter of computing power.

EDIT: maybe not "just" that simple...but we're going to get there.

 

[Dodongo]

It's really awesome. I went with an Nvidia GPU this gen.

That said, the new AMD cards seem very impressive. Smart Access Memory is a super cool feature.

 

[hans_castorp]

Yep. DLSS is legit. It's impressive how well it works.
Consoles not supporting DLSS is a great loss.

 

[Nostremitus]

It's apparently not really comparable according to digital foundry. Doesn't use AI hardware at all and something similar to TAA

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I thought that was something completely different.

I know Microsoft have been experimenting with DirectML Machine Learning Super Resolution for the Series X and S, but I wasn't aware that AMD had announced that was the platform agnostic solution they were talking about.

 

[KymTheSpud]

DLSS is what made me go through with my 3070 purchase over one of the AMD cards. RTX is cool as well but DLSS definitely made that sale.

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I made exactly the same call, had myself down for a 3080 but missed out so I'd also put in for a 3070 just in case. I'm gonna try and grab a 3080ti and sell the 3070 but DLSS is absolutely incredible.

 

[Vimto]

I'm playing the newest cod and my fps goes from ~100 to 160-170 frames with dlss.

It's really good.

 

[TaySan]

Yes. It's a huge oversite on AMD's part to not have an alternative to it by now.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Extremely important IMO

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Agree. Depends on the games you play of course...but DLSS is black magic in games that need its help.

 

[XxLeonV]

It'll for sure extend the longevity of the cards that have it. Each yeah more and more games are supporting it so I would say absolutely.

 

[MythicReclaimer]

If you have any interest in Ray Tracing at all then yes DLSS is important but just be prepared as you'll in most cases sacrifice image quality when using it to get acceptable performance w/RT.

As someone with a 3070 I'd say hold off for a 3080 at least especially if gaming at anything above a 2560x1440 res.

 

[Techno]

Yes DLSS is a game changer.

I was speaking to a friend the other day who's thinking of buying some parts and he didn't know about it. On a 2070 Super basically without DLSS Cyberpunk runs below 30fps or so, but with DLSS it's pretty much over 60fps at 1440p. That's a huge difference.

At this rate I could keep my 2070 Super for another year and skip the new cards.

 

[mordecaii83]

Yes. It's a huge oversite on AMD's part to not have an alternative to it by now.

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Even when they do have an alternative it will likely not give as large of a performance boost because they have to use the shader cores while Nvidia has dedicated hardware.

 

[KymTheSpud]

Just a quick question regarding DLSS, how easy is it to implement? Could we see older titles being updated to take advantage of the technology?

 

[wwm0nkey]

DLSS is straight up free performance and in quite a few cases looks better than native res. An actual game changer

 

[Prelude]

It's supported by a small list of games (still more than RTX though) and AMD is working on their solution, so... just wait and see. It's not like you'de be able to buy a GPU at a reasonable price right now anyway.

 

[wwm0nkey]

Just a quick question regarding DLSS, how easy is it to implement? Could we see older titles being updated to take advantage of the technology?

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Not very easily sadly. putting it in a new title isn't hard (especially UE4) but the cost to go back and put it in for some older titles is too much, way more so if that title didn't have TAA support.

 

[nitewulf]

IMO yes, it's future forward tech. It's amazing tech. I most certainly believe most AAA games will support it going forward.

 

[LightKiosk]

DLSS is very impressive, but I'm also curious to see what the Microsoft equivalent will be about that will be in their consoles and what AMD will apparently be using. AMD FineWine may come in clutch once again.

Could we see older titles being updated to take advantage of the technology?

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From what I've seen, DLSS in older titles seems to be a no-go and it'll more be the norm going forward with new releases.

 

[Dierce]

With DLSS Im able to run Cyberpunk at 1440p with ultra settings and RT at 60-70fps on a 3080, without it the game becomes nearly unplayable at those settings so it's definitely a must have.

 

[Deleted member 4346]

Assuming stock availability, of course.

Been shopping for a 6800XT and I appreciate the design and ease of Radeon's software, but the gains and quality from DLSS look fantastic and I've gotta expect that this will make its way into more games unless matching console feature-set takes priority.

For my situation, I have a 3070 on order and am curious if it'd be a better value by holding out for a 6000-series or even a 3080.

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I wasn't really a believer in DLSS until Cyberpunk 2077 (and Death Stranding). CP2077 basically requires you to run DLSS if you are using RTX features. It IS a pretty killer feature but there are some caveats- it's implemented on a per-game basis, the quality of the implementation varies, and it is generally not a substitute for native rendering.

We're kind of in a good spot right now, or we would be if you could buy the new GPUs at MSRP, or at all, lol. In light of that, unless you are getting a good deal on a 3070, I'd wait until spring when the 3080 is more than a paper launch, and get one at a reasonable price.

 

[Deleted member 76797]

Yes. It is amazing tech.

 

[Astronut325]

Agree with the general consensus. My next card will be Nvidia for the DLSS and RT.

 

[GhostTrick]

I might be wrong but I doubt DLSS is going to be such a widespread technology. If it does though, it's too huge to be ignored.

But even then, what I can say for sure is that Nvidia will want it to be on titles that matters. There's a reason why AMD GPUs dont have RT on Cyberpunk. And it's not because of it not working but more like the terrible performance it'd get. And with DLSS, you can already see that at 1440p ultra (no RT), a RTX 2060 Super is perfoming the same as a 6800.

 

[Shroki]

It's nice to have, BUT i've wound up changing my settings to have DLSS off in Cyberpunk because the quality loss is more noticeable than advertised IMO.

Even on "quality" settings.

 

[Shoichi]

DLSS is an amazing piece of tech. The more devs use it the better.

until AMD releases their own similar tech like they stated. I will be going Nvidia in the meantime

 

[Darknight]

Bigger than ray tracing. It's the holy grail of gaming. Free performance for the same visuals.

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It's not the same though. There are areas where DLSS doesn't handle it well which can make it worse.