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ironichaos

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Fact check: Six days of Trump lies about the Hurricane Helene response


Helping to further put Trump's lies into context, latest newsletter from Heather Cox Richardson.

heathercoxrichardson.substack.com

October 6, 2024

This morning began with a CNN headline story by fact checker Daniel Dale, titled “Six days of Trump lies about the Hurricane Helene response.” Dale noted that Republican nominee for president Donald Trump has been one of the chief sources of the disinformation that has badly hampered recovery...

This morning began with a CNN headline story by fact checker Daniel Dale, titled "Six days of Trump lies about the Hurricane Helene response." Dale noted that Republican nominee for president Donald Trump has been one of the chief sources of the disinformation that has badly hampered recovery efforts.

Trump has claimed that the federal government is ignoring the storm's victims, especially ones in Republican areas, and that the government is handing out only $750 in aid (in fact, the initial emergency payment for food and groceries is $750, but there are multiple grants available for home rebuilding up to a total of $42,500, the upper limit set by Congress). He has also claimed—falsely—that the Federal Emergency Management Agency is out of money to help because the administration spent all its money on Ukraine and undocumented immigrants.

Trump's lies are not errors. They are part of a well-documented strategy to overturn democracy by using modern media to create a false political world. Voters begin to base their political decisions on that fake image, rather than on reality, and are manipulated into giving up control of their government to an authoritarian.

In his autobiography Mein Kampf, or "My Struggle," Adolf Hitler wrote that people were more likely to believe a giant lie than a little one because they were willing to tell small lies in their own lives but "would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods." Since they could not conceive of telling "colossal untruths…they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously." He went on: "Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation."

The U.S. Office of Strategic Services had picked up on Hitler's manipulation of his followers when it described Hitler's psychological profile. It said, "His primary rules were: never allow the public to cool off; never admit a fault or wrong; never concede that there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternatives; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong; people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it."

The MAGA movement is now based in the Big Lie. Its leaders refuse to admit that Trump lost the 2020 election. Trump's running mate, Ohio senator J.D. Vance, two days ago actually said Trump won, and as media figures more frequently ask the question of MAGA lawmakers, they continue to dodge it, as Arkansas senator Tom Cotton did today on NBC's Meet the Press, and as House speaker Mike Johnson did on ABC News's "This Week."
 

Dahbomb

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Oct 25, 2017
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More dangerous lies that have real world impact on Americans that is sadly getting too much traction and has no basis in reality.
 

entremet

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These lies are all over TikTok and Instagram.
 

CloseTalker

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Oct 25, 2017
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I honestly can't imagine how frustrating it must be to have everything you do as president be undercut by Trump just flat out lying.
 

Fnnrqwin

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Kind of blown away by the direct comparisons to Mein Kampf. We need more of this from the mainstream.
 

Knightbat05

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Damn, my expectations have been so low with CNN lately, that I'm surprised they mentioned Mein Kampf in here.
 

Pankratous

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Oct 26, 2017
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Republicans live in a post-truth world. Democrats can fact check all they want, it doesn't matter. It isn't the truth they want, so they won't believe it.
 

RagnarokX

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$750 was trending on Twitter last week with crap like this:
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MAGA sure likes comparing large sums for large populations to per-capita numbers. How much is $2.4 billion if evenly distributed to the population of Ukraine? $63 per person.
 

Volimar

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Between this and the NYT finally talking about Trump's rambling I wonder if they've decided maybe they wouldn't do so well under a Trump administration.
 

I Don't Like

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We are really staring down an increasing nightmare of right-wing disinformation and misinformation, especially as AI ramps up, costing people their livelihoods and very likely their lives. These people believe absolutely everything they read, are terminally-online and will even wave off learning something was fake by saying, "Yeah that was fake but this type of stuff IS happening." They're getting riled up by things that literally do not exist and what follows is harassment, bomb threats, death threats and violence and one of the biggest social media platforms is owned by a guy who is exactly like this.

It's really fucking bleak.
 

red_shift_ltd

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Just yesterday I got into an argument with my dad about this one. He blindsided me with the "They only give $750 and they're out of money because they gave it all to IMMIGRANTS!!" line and I was totally lost.

Good to see it's just King Trump doing the usual and not like... reality or anything.

That's really chilling though, I really don't know what to do if he wins this one.
 

Cosmic Bus

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Oct 27, 2017
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Republicans live in a post-truth world. Democrats can fact check all they want, it doesn't matter. It isn't the truth they want, so they won't believe it.

Republicans are quite aware of this, too, which makes all their heads-in-the-sand denialism even more bizarre. My dumbass dad recently said [regarding the R governor of Ohio starting that the Haitian immigrant story was untrue, but the point is still applicable here] "I don't care what those experts say, I'm always gonna believe the regular people who are going through this rather than some politician." Both my parents have even started parroting Vance's moronic idea that it's acceptable to make up a story regardless of the facts. They do not want to face reality, they want an excuse to be bigoted and ignorant and spiteful.

We're like one election away from The Heritage Foundation calling for the complete dismantling of state and federal governments and installing Trump as the crowned Emperor of the United States.

Also worth remembering that the Heritage Foundation does not live or die depending on Trump. Once he's out of the picture, their agenda is still going to be the Republican party's number one priority, which is why I don't get people wishing for the turn away from MAGA in favor of more normalized republicans again. Keep that toxic MAGA crazy going as far as I'm concerned, because the minute they start toning it down and lull voters into complacency is when they take full governmental power again.
 

entremet

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And Mike Johnson, the Speaker, doesn't want to hold another house session until after Election Day.
 

squeakywheel

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Just yesterday I got into an argument with my dad about this one. He blindsided me with the "They only give $750 and they're out of money because they gave it all to IMMIGRANTS!!" line and I was totally lost.

Good to see it's just King Trump doing the usual and not like... reality or anything.

That's really chilling though, I really don't know what to do if he wins this one.
My parents are this far gone too. Everything blamed on Illegals and Ukraine. And now America is bankrupt now. Sigh.
 

Stencil

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While it's good to see CNN report on falsehoods, the blurbs in the OP that have the Mein Kampf comparisons are from someones newsletter about the article, someone who is unaffiliated with CNN as far as I can tell.
 

squeakywheel

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I don't have answers but I'm here with you. It's not gonna get better soon but if he loses our parent's lives will be better materially at least.
Until Trump is dead and the moderates of the Republican party take over, I don't have much hope. At first I tried to block the DNS of major republican hate media outlets on their router but they ended up calling Comcast and they helped reset the config lol. They're not bad people overall but it's draining when they (frequently) bring up republican hate points and I always redirect the conversation as soon as I can.
 

Daphne

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Oct 27, 2017
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It's also no coincidence Trump's tactics and rhetoric are a mirror image of Hitler's. It's probably the only subject he's actually studied and thought about in any serious way. He deliberately modeled himself on him.