Biden will release all available vaccine doses in break from Trump administration policy of holding back stock for second dose
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I think the idea is that the supply chain is secure at this point, so we know more doses are coming (to be used as second doses). I don't think this is a plan to delay the second dose.
This is good, and I trust this admin to help coordinate vaccinations state-by-state. There have been a number of articles over the last 2 weeks about how getting that initial vaccination out to as many people as possible cna help control spread.
www.theglobeandmail.com
Right now we're in a race against the clock with this new more contagious variant. Sadly the ~13 days it takes for the Biden admin to get into office and officially change policy is just time for it to spread.
www.theatlantic.com
ffs, I had posted a complex update to my post about this with multiple articles and fucking hit cmd w instead of cmd t and deleted the whole fucking update before writing it.
Gist of the update is that we are in a race against the clock with potential vaccination and a lot of leading experts on vaccine deployment, including Scott Gottlieb, Canadian experts, and othr international experts are recommending this as the best approach.
New data favour administering COVID-19 vaccines as fast as possible, not reserving doses
Yet some provinces – including Ontario – are planning to keep half of their initial shipments in the freezer in case the vaccine supply chain breaks down
www.theglobeandmail.com
Right now we're in a race against the clock with this new more contagious variant. Sadly the ~13 days it takes for the Biden admin to get into office and officially change policy is just time for it to spread.
The Mutated Virus Is a Ticking Time Bomb
There is much we don’t know about the new COVID-19 variant—but everything we know so far suggests a huge danger.
www.theatlantic.com
ffs, I had posted a complex update to my post about this with multiple articles and fucking hit cmd w instead of cmd t and deleted the whole fucking update before writing it.
Gist of the update is that we are in a race against the clock with potential vaccination and a lot of leading experts on vaccine deployment, including Scott Gottlieb, Canadian experts, and othr international experts are recommending this as the best approach.
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Errr.... I'm not so sure about this. I agree we need to loosen things up so more old folks can get it, but don't we need to ensure maximum efficacy by having everyone get their follow up doses in an orderly manner?
I say this really not knowing much about the topic, fyi, and I agree with an overall re-evaluation of what we're doing at the moment.
I say this really not knowing much about the topic, fyi, and I agree with an overall re-evaluation of what we're doing at the moment.
Almost every major country is doing this (Canada, UK, etc). Some are even planning to wait up to 30~ days before second dose.
The risk is OK with them as more comfortable with 2 people at 70%~ effectiveness than 1 person at 95%~
And ideally vaccine production/approvals keep on increasing so they have more stock for 2 doses.
The risk is OK with them as more comfortable with 2 people at 70%~ effectiveness than 1 person at 95%~
And ideally vaccine production/approvals keep on increasing so they have more stock for 2 doses.
Well, I'd hope this is a decision made with plenty of expert opinion and analysis taken into consideration. I want to believe this is being done with full confidence that second dose targets can be reached.
Hopefully this pans out well and healthcare + other essential workers are able to get prioritised at a greater rate without endangering anyone.
Hopefully this pans out well and healthcare + other essential workers are able to get prioritised at a greater rate without endangering anyone.
This strategy should only get executed if the vaccine production can keep up with the demand so that no one misses their second dose. I hope Biden is following the advice of medical professionals in this regard.
Seems risky to me. They're basically betting that production will keep pace so that nobody misses their second dose. But OTOH the vaccines have heavy storage requirements, so there's a chance the stockpiled doses just go bad sitting on the shelves, which helps nobody.
the two doses should be considered as a whole, full stop
//didnt know the percentages in the post above, that changes things
//didnt know the percentages in the post above, that changes things
Actually, 3-4 weeks between doses is the recommended schedule anyway.
This is an awful idea, barring some kind of major influx of doses coming through. Hopefully they handle this correctly because we absolutely cannot have Biden's first major country wide undertaking be a failure.
I don't want to miss the window for the second dose. I don't like this idea regardless of it being grounded in good intentions. If there is hard scientific data supporting then sure, but you'd think they would've said this was ok during trials if it was ok.
Yeah but they are pushing planning to the edge / just past recommended schedule.
The primary issue is that with a less effective immunity, it could allow the virus to mutate into a strain that resists the vaccine.
So this strategy can only really work if people are able to get their planned second doses anyways.
Is there a time limit of when getting the 2nd dose? Like if I got the first dose but have to wait an additional month+ to get the 2nd shot does it basically do nothing?
it will. He already said he plans to invoke the production act or whatever.
As long as this decision was guided by the science of his advisors im ok with this. Waiting to 2 dose everyone makes sense if we're on lockdown, but frankly we're not. So getting as many people as possible at least some protection makes sense to me.
According to this it's 52% which I'd say isn't all that great
Covid-19: Pfizer vaccine efficacy was 52% after first dose and 95% after second dose, paper shows
The Pfizer and BioNTech covid-19 vaccine may provide some early protection, starting 12 days after the first dose, the peer reviewed results of a phase III trial have found. The study, published in the New England Journal of Medicine ,1 found that vaccine efficacy between the first and second...
I hope they have the logistical data to know that the production can keep up
It's a risky premise, but I hope that states will be significally better-situated to coordinate with his administration and make sure the right amount/combination of doses are available.
It's not like they're not continually manufacturing new doses. I don't think doing this will automatically cause a massive delay in people getting their second dose.
This hasn't been studied. Some are inferring those #s based on observed cases between dosages in the trials, and trials designed to test for that variable might bear that out, but currently nothing that supports that beyond a guess inferred from data that doesn't have the proper controls to support that inference.
Thats what I thought too? Doesn't the data show that getting 1 shot already provides protection and that it might be better for more folks to get 1 shot as soon as possible rather than holding back on 2
It's not half a vaccination.
You are vaccinated after one shot, to a higher percent than some flu vaccines offer. Your second vaccine gives you even more protection, but the first shot is still a vaccination.
You are vaccinated after one shot, to a higher percent than some flu vaccines offer. Your second vaccine gives you even more protection, but the first shot is still a vaccination.
Hmmm I remember the UK getting slated for doing exactly this and a lot of countries are doing the same. Seems like the best play given the urgency around getting as many people vaccinated as quickly as possible.
Currently its being done state by state, my state has a line. Others don't.
Depending on the specifics, this could be a good or bad course.
If they've got the supply chain set up where the vaccine just keeps coming at a constant pace, this shouldn't be an issue as second doses should still be available when needed.
If however this is intended to be a scenario of "give EVERYONE half a dose!" and it means second doses are pushed back weeks or months, it's not a good call.
If they've got the supply chain set up where the vaccine just keeps coming at a constant pace, this shouldn't be an issue as second doses should still be available when needed.
If however this is intended to be a scenario of "give EVERYONE half a dose!" and it means second doses are pushed back weeks or months, it's not a good call.
Yeah even a 50 percent immunity rate is better than nothing, that's fewer people needing to be admitted to hospitals, which could mean the difference between your hospital system just about hanging on or collapsing. In the UK we've just had a Covid emergency announced for London which means the hospitals are close to being ovewhelmed if not already. There's no time left for perfect strategies.
Yeah, just generalizing. I just feel like some states aren't even prepared for more doses, it's crazy. I wish there was some kind of universal system in place, sign up on-line or in person, it feeds to the state which lets you know where and when it is your turn. Seems like 9 months was long enough for them to have organized something like that :(