Presenting the realities of a two party system is not shaming. Advocating for the clearly better choice of two candidates is not shaming. You can feel free to tell us what you think Trump is better and then we can talk about that. If you feel any shame then the conversatiion you need to have is with yourself. Maybe your principles and logic are having a battle.
Saying that I'm making the "wrong" choice by abstaining and taking local political action is indeed shaming, actually.
It's not the height
So claiming that I am not making the "good" choice by not voting and instead going down other political paths is "wrong", if you present it as a dichotomy then you are labeling me as the incorrect party implicitly. Don't tell me how to vote or if I should or not.
What are these "political paths" of yours that somehow never involve actually putting someone into political power
It is by nature a dichotomy because of the two party system. And it is not shaming to present the realities of that system. Therefore the only one telling you who to vote for is yourself. If in saying you are making the wrong choice you can dispute that. Noone is stopping you. But at the point I'd really like to hear your opinion on Trump. The system presents you with this, not me. It would exist if you read my posts or not you would just be ingnoring it.
That's all it's ever been really at least to me. Some kind of morality pissing contest primarily instigated by people who place unrealistic importance on presidential ballot casting.
I'm an active member of DSA, so I volunteer and donate when and where I can. They advocate for some political figures, but acting like voting is somehow significant in comparison to creating solidarity through action is not for me.
DSA didn't become relevant until people got voted into power
No, you are presenting it as a dichotomy, the third actual choice is to not vote. You are saying that the third option is wrong. I don't like Trump, this much is obvious if you read my posts lmao.
I didn't say it was at odds. I said it is a more efficient way.
it becomes less obvious when you don't vote against him and fervently oppose the whole idea of voting, which is btw how he got into office
Acting as somehow DSA is only relevant due to putting people in power is the stance you are coming from, not me. I believe there is far more worth in building solidarity and breaking down entrenched power than voting.
If he got into office from people not voting, how did he get into office? People voted because he appealed to their wants. Which are either class based or race based. Due to institutionalized racism, he spoke to those wants. He is an indication of a problem that existed.
How are you not backing institutional racism by doing nothing to stop it? How does doing nothing help root out the racism of our institutions? Voters who have helped elect Presidents who have made any progress on this issue sure weren't happy with their candidates, but they recognized the importance or participation. Until there's an actual "political revolution," incrementalism and preventing Republicans from turning back the wheel of progress is our only option, lest you want to remain a bystander to it all.
AND HE IS MAKING THAT PROBLEM WORSE, THATS WHAT THIS THREADS ABOUT.
The American institution which propagates and necessitates racism is actually the problem here, if you think just Trump or only Republicans are racist idk what to tell you.
And how exactly Biden, a person who has done much to propagate such such systems of racism, supposed to help?
So y'all s argument is: we won't participate in electoral politics until our preferred candidates are running.
There is no option to not have a president. One of the two candidates will be president. This is not something I am presenting you. This is what is. There is no third option. The winner of the election be president to all Americans weather they voted or not.
Which party leads to more lives lost overseas and more scaling back of social programs
Who the president is largely has no affect on my local actions and politics, helping feed the homeless is a lot more important to me than voting for a president who doesn't give a shit about these people regardless if they have a D or an R attached to their name. No president represents me or what I feel is best for the world.
Ok cool both parties are the same
Oh so you don't give a shit. Ok. Thanks for letting us all know that it doesn't matter to you cuz it doesn't effect you locally. I dunno if you are a leftist or not but boy socialism would be lost on you.
Just because the dems don't say the quiet part out loud doesn't mean they haven't made legislation that actively harms and disillusions minorities.
You're not just voting for Biden tho, you're voting for the people who he will bring, and the message that will be sent to the racists: your guy lost and 2016 was a fluke, your silent majority is bullshit, and you are just human like the rest of us.
I don't give a shit about the farce that is modern day politics in America and believing that it actually does anything to help the poor and working class citizens. It seems reality is sorta lost on you though.
They have to bring over never trumpers becuase leftists don't fucking vote and never trumpers do
Well first by not making things worse like Trump will, and second you can read his plans for yourself: https://joebiden.com/justice/
The reason "they're doing it" is becuase tjere was a primary election and the moderate beat out the leftist
