mreddie

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https://www.azfamily.com/2023/08/21/arizonans-react-proposed-kroger-albertsons-merger/

https://www.krqe.com/news/politics-...y-of-state-condemns-kroger-albertsons-merger/

https://www.8newsnow.com/news/local...our-thoughts-on-the-albertsons-kroger-merger/

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ARIZONA
Arizona Secretary of State Adrian Fontes is fighting to stop the nearly $25 billion merger between Kroger (which owns Fry's) and Albertsons (which owns Safeway). He and six other secretaries of state wrote a letter asking the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) to block the merger.

In the letter, Fontes says that combined, Kroger and Albertsons would control nearly a quarter of the U.S. food retail market. Attorney General Kris Mayes says that number would be even higher here in Arizona. The main concern is that fewer options mean higher prices.

"I just think it would be bad for shoppers," Phoenix resident Marcia Nix said. "There's going to be higher prices," fellow Phoenix resident and Safeway shopper James De Guzman said. "It's a monopoly as always."

Maybe not quite a monopoly, but Safeway shoppers are concerned about their options if the Kroger-Albertsons merger becomes official. "My main complaint would be that when the two stores merge, there wouldn't be as much competition," Nix said.

NEW MEXICO
Democratic officials from a handful of states including New Mexico are condemning a merger between Kroger and Albertsons. The grocery giants entered into the $25B deal last year for Kroger, which owns Smith's stores in New Mexico, to buy rival Albertsons. The deal is now up for review before the Federal Trade Commission.

New Mexico Secretary of State Maggie Toulouse Oliver is one of seven secretaries of state who signed a letter calling on the FTC to block the merger. They argue the new, bigger chain would control a quarter of the United States market limiting competition and giving the company no incentive to keep prices low.

They said the monopoly would also hurt workers, suppliers, and farmers and that the company could decide to close hundreds of stores in areas where Kroger and Albertsons overlap especially in low-income communities. The companies argue the deal will actually lower prices and make them more competitive with mega-retailers like Walmart and Amazon.

NEVADA
Attorney General Aaron Ford announced Monday a series of listening sessions for public comment and consumer opinion on the pending merger between Albertsons and Kroger.

The two grocery store giants announced a $24.6 billion merger agreement in October 2022. The proposed merger is expected to be finalized in early 2024 if it is approved by state and federal regulators.

In Nevada, Kroger is the parent company of Smith's grocery stores, and Albertsons is the parent company of Albertsons, Safeway, and Vons grocery stores. The merger may have potential impacts on grocery stores, consumers, and employees in the state of Nevada.

Under Nevada Law, the Attorney General's Office has the authority to review the proposed merger to determine its impact on Nevada grocery stores and to "ensure it is proper, does not unfairly disrupt competition, and is fair to local grocery stores, consumers, employees, and others," a release from the Attorney General's Office said.

As part of that review, Attorney General Ford wants to hear from the public.

"It is incumbent upon my office to review a corporate merger of this scale under the unfair
trade practices act to determine its impact on trade and Nevada consumers," Attorney General
Ford said. "Considering the potential implications, it is important for me to hear directly from
Nevada consumers to fully understand their concerns about the grocery store merger."

This shit fucking sucks, fuck this shit. NO. NO. NO. It's gonna happen is it?

Merge with a similar thread and monopolize the subjects if old.
 

Tigress

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Oct 25, 2017
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ugh, where I live if you don't want to shop at some premium store like Whole Foods (basically a grocery store with not super outrageous prices) your choices are Safeway (albertson's), two versions of Kroger (qfc and Fred Meyer), and Walmart. I suppose target too but Walmart and target don't seem to really be full grocery stores. So really Albertsons and Kroger.
 

GoldenEye 007

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Oct 25, 2017
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There is just no good reason these two companies need to merge. They have already bought out dozens of local store chains by themselves.
 

GringoSuave89

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Oct 26, 2017
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LA, CA
Former NM resident, and aside from mom and pop grocers that already never stood a chance and the Targets/Walmarts, Smiths (Kroger) and Albertsons are it. It would be such a monopoly on food that I honestly cannot fathom the repercussions.
 

Samaritan

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Oct 25, 2017
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ugh, where I live if you don't want to shop at some premium store like Whole Foods (basically a grocery store with not super outrageous prices) your choices are Safeway (albertson's), two versions of Kroger (qfc and Fred Meyer), and Walmart. I suppose target too but Walmart and target don't seem to really be full grocery stores. So really Albertsons and Kroger.
Yeah this looks pretty grim for people in the Northwest if it's allowed to go through. Albertsons, Safeway (Albertsons), and Fred Meyer (Kroger) are the main grocery stores where I'm at. Whole Foods is far too expensive, and the nearest Trader Joe's is 30 minutes away from my home.
 

Version 3.0

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I'm actually surprised that they weren't already merged. I thought all grocery stores were already under Albertson's. They've merged over and over in my lifetime.

30+ years ago, as a kid, we used to call our local Smith's and Safeway stores "Smafeway" because they switched names a couple of times as they got bought, merged, or whatever. Although, funnily enough, when I looked it up just now, Smith's is owned by Kroger and Safeway by Alberton's, so I guess they didn't merge way back then, they just kept moving around and into each other's spots.
 

Laephis

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Jun 25, 2021
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Yeah this looks pretty grim for people in the Northwest if it's allowed to go through. Albertsons, Safeway (Albertsons), and Fred Meyer (Kroger) are the main grocery stores where I'm at. Whole Foods is far too expensive, and the nearest Trader Joe's is 30 minutes away from my home.
Honestly, I'd drive 30 mins to shop at TJ's and avoid those other stores completely. Sorry you don't have ALDI in the area. 😕
 

Belfast

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Oct 28, 2017
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This just seems insanely stupid. I know its already been said, but I also live in an area where the three most prevalent grocery stores are Safeway, Albertson's, and Fred Meyer (though a lot of people do shop at the Wal-Mart Supercenters). What a completely unnecessary thing to happen.
 

meowdi gras

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If the merger goes through, I guess this means Kroger is going to start charging me maybe $12 for a fucking 5 lbs bag of flour, vs the $8-9 they currently charge. Delightful
 

Rirse

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Jun 29, 2019
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I work for Krogers and never heard of this? I probably rather not have it as Krogers has enough sub brands as it is.
 

Wishbone Ash

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Oct 29, 2017
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Kroger already bought out and rebranded half a dozen local chains in my state alone, gobbled up over three dozen national chains that I'm aware of (many of which they keep under the original name), and are purportedly the biggest "supermarket chain" in the country, which I'm sure is going off of some very generous definition with Walmart and Costco around. Certainly not by revenue.

I remember protests around here back when they took over a large competitor and went union-busting. "Stop the ogre, don't shop kroger." Harder and harder to do.
 

Carbon

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Oh god, why has this not been killed yet?

This is an insanely bad idea that will kill so many jobs.
 

Zhengi

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Oct 28, 2017
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This definitely needs to be killed. If they have that much money, they should pay their workers instead.
 

Lashes.541

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Dec 18, 2017
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My town in Oregon it's pretty much only Fred's, Albertsons, Safeways and Walmart, so it would be pretty much just Walmart as the alternative, and that's super grim…
 

devilhawk

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Oct 27, 2017
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Seattle would get screwed. Half the stores would close because the new company certainly won't want either a Safeway or QFC in such close vicinity.
 

bastardly

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Nov 8, 2017
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crazy, i have like 3 albertsons and 3 ralphs near me, some are across the street from one another
 

LuxCommander

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Oct 25, 2017
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This would be awful for the vast majority of the country; very few states actually have true competition beyond those two mega-chains and Wal-Mart. And those that do tend to only have upscale markets, with the extremely rare exception being grocers like HEB in Texas (which is a company that exists against all odds. I miss having it every day I'm out here in CA). For basic groceries, it really is just those two and Wal-Mart, and we really don't need to give Wal-Mart any more market share than they already have. Which is what's going to happen in the majority of states this will affect.
 

bsigg

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Oct 25, 2017
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Wasn't the rationale behind the merger (provided by Albertsons and Kroger) that this is the only way these companies can compete against Amazon and Walmart?

This has always seemed like a bad idea since it was announced, going to be interesting to see what the FTC/DOJ decide to do here.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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El Centro, CA
Isn't Walmart the true powerhouse here? Even combined, do Kroger and Albertsons come anywhere close to Walmarts marketshare in the grocery industry? And don't get me wrong, my wife and I do most of our grocery shopping at Walmart (save for produce. we shop at Cardenas for that sort of thing).
 

dicetrain

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In Phoenix we got Walmart, Safeway, Albertson's, and Fry's 90% of the time. Every now and then you get a Mexican chain or Winco. I guess you could count Costco but that's different. If you're going to Whole Foods, Target, Trader Joe's for groceries you're just trying to be bougie.
 

Carbon

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In Phoenix we got Walmart, Safeway, Albertson's, and Fry's 90% of the time. Every now and then you get a Mexican chain or Winco. I guess you could count Costco but that's different. If you're going to Whole Foods, Target, Trader Joe's for groceries you're just trying to be bougie.
Whole Foods I get. Even Trader Joes can be somewhat bougie (but also surprisingly affordable at times too).
But Target for groceries is bougie now???
 
Oct 27, 2017
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As others, my nearest options are Fred Meyer, Safeway and QFC. So just no.
There is a Walmart, but it doesn't have produce or anything so not much of an alternative.
 

Carbon

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Isn't Walmart the true powerhouse here? Even combined, do Kroger and Albertsons come anywhere close to Walmarts marketshare in the grocery industry? And don't get me wrong, my wife and I do most of our grocery shopping at Walmart (save for produce. we shop at Cardenas for that sort of thing).
Last I heard Walmart accounted for around 20%ish of all grocery purchases in the US. IIRC it's estimated these two combined would be clearly in second place with like 16-17% nationwide market share.

But despite whatever they might say, it's not the better economies of scale they're after. They want to bust up their unions, so they can compete with Walmart for who pays their workers the least. That's where the real profit will be made, by squeezing out the human capital. Also there's the downsizing of nearly half of their office/executive workforce due to redundancies, but that's merely a bonus.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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El Centro, CA
But despite whatever they might say, it's not the better economies of scale they're after. They want to bust up their unions, so they can compete with Walmart for who pays their workers the least. That's where the real profit will be made, by squeezing out the human capital. Also there's the downsizing of nearly half of their office/executive workforce due to redundancies, but that's merely a bonus.
I didn't know this side of it. Thanks for educating me on this. I'll do some of my own research now. I appreciate it Carbon!
 

DrForester

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Disappointed Colorado isn't joining in on this. Those are the only two major chains in the state.
 

WedgeX

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Oct 27, 2017
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This would kill just about any competition in DC. For non-TJ or Whole Foods grocers, we've got Safeway, Harris-Teeter (Kroger), and Giant. We'd be doomed, Kroger is already holding properties hostage - shutting down stores but not giving up the land - because they want greater tax breaks from DC.