It's not just Nintendo fans that dislike anime style. Lots of people hate anime style games. Which is a shame, because there are a ton of great games that are anime style. Not every anime game is like Xenoblade or Tales Of.
I wouldn't even go that far. I totally get completely dismissing a game because of its artstyle. But "completely" in my opinion should probably come with ignoring it and not engaging with discussion, especially if that engagement is derailing every thread in existence with a game with a semi-related artstyle.So just like every medium?
I also don't see why someone would hate a game purely for its artstyle. It sure is a factor to like a game or not but totally dismissing a game just because it has a certain artstyle locks you out of a lot of potentially great games. I mean I don't like all the generic cartoons looks these days but if a game comes up with an interesting premise I will still try it despite its artstyle.
It's not really, at least not in the context of this discussion.
So just like every medium?
I also don't see why someone would hate a game purely for its artstyle. It sure is a factor to like a game or not but totally dismissing a game just because it has a certain artstyle locks you out of a lot of potentially great games. I mean I don't like all the generic cartoons looks these days but if a game comes up with an interesting premise I will still try it despite its artstyle.
I don't see the issue with it. I know people that don't like a lot of the Sony games with very realistic styles, which in fine. As long you respect anything people like and don't like, it's just preference.So just like every medium?
I also don't see why someone would hate a game purely for its artstyle. It sure is a factor to like a game or not but totally dismissing a game just because it has a certain artstyle locks you out of a lot of potentially great games. I mean I don't like all the generic cartoons looks these days but if a game comes up with an interesting premise I will still try it despite its artstyle.
Much like a ton of people on this forum defend using the word boomer as "it just means old now" and not its actual meaning, anime has similarly evolved to mean more than it's original meaning, especially outside of Japan and online.
When I say "fucking ANIME" I don't mean general anime, I mean anime for perverts.
Like if more anime looked like Berserk, 20th Century Boys and Cowboy Bebop you'd get a lot less complaints.
There's something to be said for the 'RPG' argument, it's more accurate than 'anime' for a start. For me it's more that I played two Falcom games back-to-back (YS VIII and Trails of Cold Steel 3) and both have, at the start of the game, 'young male character's introduction to female lead is all a misunderstanding where he gets called a pervert'. Which happens in CS1. Which happens in Valkyria Chronicles 4. And in Xenoblade 2. It's the same skit redone again and again. I like JRPGs, I play tons of them, but there are repeated, tired ideas in them (like many genres). Much of it is down to teen casts and a way of setting up some tension in the party that can be easily resolved later, but it is a tired cliche, not just in its overuse but in the way it pigeonholes both the young woman as quick to anger and the young man as hapless but innocent and unfairly accused. It's a bit like with other JRPG cliches like the character archetypes of 'generic action hero guy and healer/science/academic girl', which is something than everything from genre fiction and film to comics struggles with too. I think the discussion of them can be a lot more accurate than 'anime games' though. They might borrow stuff from popular trends in the medium (including artists and animators for the lead visuals), but JRPGs have been around for 35 years and, even stepping aside from the much-discussed topic of objectification here, they have a huge pile of their own tropes in storytelling and characterisation too, some way more tired than others.That's a good point, I wonder how much of the anime game dislike just comes from the fact that if it's an "anime game" it's not Zelda, Mario, Metroid, Mario Kart, the games people generally come to Nintendo for. (Also they would probably be RPG-ish which none of those other series are.)
Yes, that's what I'm doing.You can't just say the meaning of a word has changed to defend your ignorant xenophobic use of it.
I also don't see why someone would hate a game purely for its artstyle. It sure is a factor to like a game or not but totally dismissing a game just because it has a certain artstyle locks you out of a lot of potentially great games.
Ya know I've always had the same problem when people try and generalize all anime as the same. People try and say anime is a genre, but it's totally not as something like cowboy bebop is entirely different than hetalia, and hell I'm not even a fan of the definition that anime is strictly Japanese animation as IIRC The Tigger Movie was animated entirely in Japan and like, is that anime then? I don't think so. Anime is more like a specific art style IMOThis is my problem when people generalize anime by a specific category tbh. There's more to anime than Otaku bait like you are seemingly alluding to. There's actually more variety than ever tbh
In other news, water is wet and the sky is blue.This thread is going to be an absolute disaster, but I just wanted to say I posted in it. lol
Lol, seems like objectification of women and Otako baits can be overlooked if the art style is appealing enough.Like if more anime looked like Berserk, 20th Century Boys and Cowboy Bebop you'd get a lot less complaints.
The truly cultured use the term "Japanimation", but of course describing things as "too Japanimation" makes even less sense, which is why the uncultured don't use it.
Like if more anime looked like Berserk, 20th Century Boys and Cowboy Bebop you'd get a lot less complaints.
Like if more anime looked like Berserk, 20th Century Boys and Cowboy Bebop you'd get a lot less complaints.
The truly cultured use the term "Japanimation", but of course describing things as "too Japanimation" makes even less sense, which is why the uncultured don't use it.
lmfao i'm sorry but "if more anime looked like THE MOST POPULAR SEINEN IN THE WORLD" is an incredible take to have in this of all threads
Look but hopefuly you don't mean that anime should be like those series (well except for 20th Century Boys). If someone tells me about Bebop they can just right look at Faye who even has a XC2 like design lol
Much like a ton of people on this forum defend using the word boomer as "it just means old now" and not its actual meaning, anime has similarly evolved to mean more than it's original meaning, especially outside of Japan and online.
When I say "fucking ANIME" I don't mean general anime, I mean anime for perverts.
In my experience people just have a hate boner for Xenoblade 2 which is massively unwarranted.To clarify, people who haven't even played the game.
The word hasn't changed it's meaning in such a way as prominent usage of the word still revolves around the medium/artistic styling instead of a gross generalization. Your usage is a devaluation of the artistic merits of an entire medium, industry, and creators belonging to it.
There is merit to the discussion of the prominence of problematic elements in popular works, as well as the promotion, inclusion and acceptance of those works in the industry and greater fandom. But to do that, nuance needs to be allowed over generalizing a grand word.
For example, due to some people using the word anime like you do, many people will be put off from an entire medium of art and will never experience truly great works, irrespective of the medium, like Sarazanmai or Tatami Galaxy.
It isn't the people avoiding Xenoblade 2 with boners. The game's art style is over sexualization and objectification to an extreme, and it's frankly amazing the lengths that people will go to diminish the concerns that people have over that.
I don't know how much you know about japanimation culture (I'm an expert)The truly cultured use the term "Japanimation", but of course describing things as "too Japanimation" makes even less sense, which is why the uncultured don't use it.
Since you are nicely replying to my garbage - I don't actually talk about anime anywhere and only joke about it in a single thread on this forum. I'm sorry you wasted your time replying to me in an intelligent way.The word hasn't changed it's meaning in such a way as prominent usage of the word still revolves around the medium/artistic styling instead of a gross generalization. Your usage is a devaluation of the artistic merits of an entire medium, industry, and creators belonging to it.
There is merit to the discussion of the prominence of problematic elements in popular works, as well as the promotion, inclusion and acceptance of those works in the industry and greater fandom. But to do that, nuance needs to be allowed over generalizing a grand word.
For example, due to some people using the word anime like you do, many people will be put off from an entire medium of art and will never experience truly great works, irrespective of the medium, like Sarazanmai or Tatami Galaxy.
More like "if anime didn't all use the same stylistic tropes that are probably more distinguishable to people who live and breathe that stuff than the kind of person who'd describe a series as "too anime" maybe this conversation wouldn't happen all the time."
So what about Ed who has also been sexualized? Berserk is really questionable. Have you read Berserk the past few years? Elfhelm? I know where you are coming from, but there are better series to choose from.
got some bad news for you about the tropes people in this thread are complaining about vis a vis cowboy bebop and berserk
Exactly.
Isn't that just excusing people that conflate all similar looking anime as cut from the same cloth and will fly off the handle at five randomly chosen seconds of Sweetness and Lightning because the one of the main characters is a kindergartener?More like "if anime didn't all use the same stylistic tropes that are probably more distinguishable to people who live and breathe that stuff than the kind of person who'd describe a series as "too anime" maybe this conversation wouldn't happen all the time."
If a person is going to be turned off Japanese cartoons (and that ain't a medium, animation is a medium. Anime is just cartoons from another country; we don't have a special word to describe cartoons made in France) because of a single forum post they probably weren't ever going to watch one anyway.