Dude who critiqued CinemaSins 4 years ago is back with a follow up video.
Origonal video for contex:
Origonal video for contex:
4 Years Later CinemaSins is Still Terrible (YouTube)
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The only positive thing Cinemasins has done is give a platform to people who consistently mock cinemasins for their stupidity.
My friends and I all sickened of it when we all independently came to the conclusion, "I miss simply enjoying things."
They were fine in the beginning when the videos lasted 5 minutes and pointed out really dumb mistakes, but there was a turn and they had to make 15 minute videos and nag about every single stupid detail. I stopped watching them at that point.
Man, cinemasins is such a low effort irrelevant channel to talk about in terms of pop culture commentary. Why even waste time making a whole critique of it in the current day? It's not even a dead horse anymore, its basically digging up a grave to kick a bunch of disassembled horse bones.
Honestly, I haven't watched any of their videos in years. Not to be that guy but I feel ike these breakdowns do honestly just give them more attention. Taking a cursory glance at CInemasins's channel, their view counts have dropped considerably compared to their height, so it feels like by and large people have already gotten sick of their shitck.
Maybe the real CinemaSins was the friends we made along the way.
I'm a big mark for complaining about the kind of media criticism this and TV Tropes have inflicted onto an undeserving populace, but at this point I wonder if I'm just hyperfocusing on a small pack of Extremely Online nerds, and maybe everyone else is still just having a good time.
Last time I watched a Cinemasins video I think was for Kong Skull Island.
There's a great scene in the movie where Kong is just about to eat someone and it cuts away to a character biting into a sandwich at the last moment as a funny little edit, and they called that scene out for some reason.
I don't even remember what the reasoning was for saying it was a "sin", something like "hey how come we didn't get to see Kong eat the guy?". It was just such a meaningless, idiotic critique that I've never watched one since.
There's a great scene in the movie where Kong is just about to eat someone and it cuts away to a character biting into a sandwich at the last moment as a funny little edit, and they called that scene out for some reason.
I don't even remember what the reasoning was for saying it was a "sin", something like "hey how come we didn't get to see Kong eat the guy?". It was just such a meaningless, idiotic critique that I've never watched one since.
I continue to not understand why so much focus is given on cinemasins and their apparent outsized influence on people's ability conduct media criticism, as if the vast majority of people aren't just naturally bad at such things. Its like complaining about metacritic or TVtropes. People like short, digestible points and shortcuts to organize their thoughts about media, they will naturally gravitate towards such things.
4 years ago: "Surely my critique will change things with cinemasins!"
now: "surely a second critique following up my first will change things with cinemasins!"
now: "surely a second critique following up my first will change things with cinemasins!"
Like if I'm being real, the rise of Alt-Right youtube has straight-up done was more to ruin "media criticism" than Cinemasins ever did. lol
Nah, it was always this bad. The difference is that the person from your old friend group with the shittiest fucking takes (as well as everyone like him) is now making money on YouTube with those exact same takes.
I'm confused, is Cinema Sins supposed to be legit criticism? I always took it as intentionally over the top... kinda what made it funny.
Actually though. Inb4 people try to say both are just as bad. No they weren't lol
I don't really watch Cinema Sins, but I feel this. I've been trying to get back to that in my everyday life.
I have always viewed it as funny nitpicking. At some point people started taking them seriously? And then people got angry at people taking them seriously? But instead of trying to make better media criticism content, they just got mad at Cinemasins for existing.
It's their actual thoughts and opinions delivered with a thin veneer of "comedy" to make it more digestible to viewers who would be turned off by straight-up rant videos.
I remember being really into CinemaSins when I was younger until I realized that watching it just made me have less fun with movies and the negativity wasn't vibing with me.
CinemaWins meanwhile was a fun channel for a while though I don't really keep up with it.
CinemaWins meanwhile was a fun channel for a while though I don't really keep up with it.
I really don't see what effect this channel has had on anything. I don't doubt that it's popular but like, that seems to be it.
Jumping to conclusions, coming to silly conclusions, emphasis on meaningless details, use of buzzwords, these are all things that you can regularly find on the internet from the year 1999 onwards. Probably even further back. I can't believe that Cinemasins has lowered anything and I feel like these videos are being made by people whose first exposure to online content is like post 2010 YouTube.
Jumping to conclusions, coming to silly conclusions, emphasis on meaningless details, use of buzzwords, these are all things that you can regularly find on the internet from the year 1999 onwards. Probably even further back. I can't believe that Cinemasins has lowered anything and I feel like these videos are being made by people whose first exposure to online content is like post 2010 YouTube.
I haven't watched a Cinemasins video in about 6 years, but when I did it was with the internal understanding that they were intentionally being obnoxiously nitpicky, with genuine criticism sprinkled among a bunch of silly takes. Good for a cheap laugh, nothing more.
100% if it's MCU or Star Wars
Will have to remember this thread tomorrow morning when the new episode of Boba Fett is released.
Yeah Cinemasins and TVtropes are just tools. Being super critical to the point of being a clown isn't tied to liking those things as evidenced by some people on this fourm lol
This. Really its Youtube existing that gave any loud voice a space to just make subpar video essays that pat people on the back for lacking any nuance in an opinion or having 0 self-awareness. Comment sections under those videos are effectively new spaces for people to continue the same conversation they've had for years about how much they hate things.
I dont like Cinemasins but to be fair to them they're fairly impartial and lighthearted, and probably fosters a healthier outlook compared to thinking things are objectively bad and that you need to make thinking a thing is bad your personality trait
Younger me found a lot of fun in their videos.
Older me now describes CinemaSins like a lot of those conservative youtubers who found success in an audience and trying to change means giving up that success (read: money). Pretty much exactly what this guy said. Also, massively agree that their content is picking up every rotting fruit that has dropped to the ground.
Shout-out to Every Frame A Painting.
Older me now describes CinemaSins like a lot of those conservative youtubers who found success in an audience and trying to change means giving up that success (read: money). Pretty much exactly what this guy said. Also, massively agree that their content is picking up every rotting fruit that has dropped to the ground.
Shout-out to Every Frame A Painting.
"Ah they're just goofing around"
Video in the OP points out that they are also sexist, thin-skinned, and pretty far off the mark at being 'funny', if that's their goal
Video in the OP points out that they are also sexist, thin-skinned, and pretty far off the mark at being 'funny', if that's their goal
I can't stand the CinemaSins narrator's voice, even filtered through bob's videos: it's Smug Whiny Nitpicky Nerd incarnate.
Watching the video, it's interesting how CinemaSins actually DID respond to bob's previous video... by removing all their videos seemingly for exposing that the main Sins videos are mostly their actual thoughts with a veneer of satire slapped over it.
Watching the video, it's interesting how CinemaSins actually DID respond to bob's previous video... by removing all their videos seemingly for exposing that the main Sins videos are mostly their actual thoughts with a veneer of satire slapped over it.
A lot of its audience takes it seriously and as the primary way they engage with media. It's hard to watch CinemaSins as "just being funny" because so much of what they nitpick is literally wrong or indicative of them just not understanding the plot, which is sort of the baseline you need to hit if you want to do nitpicking as a schtick. It's bad work regardless, taken as legit criticism or just being funny. And frankly I lean toward its intention being the former and the latter being their excuse for sloppy work, because if you listen to their "out of character" discussions about movies, they pick them apart the same way and make the same comprehension errors that are in the CS videos. It's pretty clear that the CS guys are just...bad at watching movies, really. They have very little ability to follow even moderately complex plots and never seem to engage with the films beyond the most surface level of plot; their discussions never touch on theme or character (beyond "character make mistake haha stupid character") or the larger purpose of a film. It's tremendously shallow and it has unfortunately influenced how film and television are discussed on the internet to the point that you run into people who behave like a CS video when talking about movies who haven't even heard of CS before.
Cinema Sins always came across as tongue in cheek/not serious, so I'm not sure what the issue is.
It's like saying Dunkey's "Reviews" aren't good reviews, I don't think it was ever meant to be that way.
It's like saying Dunkey's "Reviews" aren't good reviews, I don't think it was ever meant to be that way.
Cinemasins has always been a joke and not serious criticisms. They literally go through newpapers in movies to see if they correspond to the subject topic in the movie they are talking about.
The whole thing is a joke. But its the internets so nerds gotta be angry they are making fun of stuff they like. The maker of the videos in the OP is a sad person and should go find something better to do.
The whole thing is a joke. But its the internets so nerds gotta be angry they are making fun of stuff they like. The maker of the videos in the OP is a sad person and should go find something better to do.
The issue, again, is that Dunkey gets stuff wrong for comedic value. CinemaSins gets stuff wrong because they didn't understand what they were watching. Comparing Dunkey and CS is pretty indicative that you don't understand how satire works.
Again, they say it's a joke, but it's clear from their non-"funny" discussions (many of which are deleted now) that they're not joking. It's really how they engage with movies and they think what they're doing is legit criticism. The "it's a joke" thing is an excuse, like when someone caught doing something stupid yells "it's a prank" to get out of the situation. I do agree that they're not as important nowadays in terms of the general film discourse online, but to claim they had no influence is naive at best. You can draw straight lines from the CinemaSins mentality to shit like the endless TLJ whining from alt-right-lite dipshits.
Yeah im with you, i thought the whole point was it's not to be taken seriously. I swear i've even seen jokes in some of their videos themselves referencing that and that people are taking it seriously when they aren't meant to be.
You should watch the whole video, which points out that they are sexist and also actually pretty bad at being a joke
Quite a few posts here telling us they didn't watch either of the videos in the OP.
Oof.
Oof.
