I just explained to you why i brought it up. Nobody told you to agree with me.
Annnddd you're right, my level of engagement has just about peaked
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Todd Howard blames Sony for no cross play in Fallout 76 (No plans to add currently - Post #950)
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I just explained to you why i brought it up. Nobody told you to agree with me.
Annnddd you're right, my level of engagement has just about peaked
was honestly just trying to gauge where you were coming from because your posts were weird, that's all
no worries
If that were the case, other devs wouldn't be implementing crossplay at all with Xbox and anything else, but it's happening. I don't think they're afraid of pissing off Sony. What's Sony going to do? Stop them from releasing Fallout on PS4? I somehow can't see that happening.
Are you a game developer? If no, you need to back up a lot of your claims in some way. I'm not a game developer, hence when I made a claim I compared it to kind of similar situation FFXIV and linked to my source to show what I'm basing my claim off of. As far as I can tell you're just saying things based off what you imagine game development to be like.
But hey, if you are a game developer and work for a company like Bethesda, then my bad.
It's really not, and nobody is going to complain if they implement it (except maybe you?)
Better luck next time!
I don't think people are blaming 98% of the games lacking support on Sony.
You've brought up a number of good points I didn't think about. It makes sense that an all or nothing approach would be easier. If they supported PC&Xbox, they'd have to support PS4&PC separately or risk backlash. At that point, it makes sense to not even bother.
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so just bury the issue then? Man what a world we would live in if all we did was except bullshit in life and move on
As I stated earlier, it sure seems to have hit you hard to hear the honesty from Todd. Don't worry, others will follow.
Lol, you don't have to be x thing to have a gist of how x thing works... But how about we do this...
Calling all devs, is game dev 1-1 across all games. Does 2 or 3 games having x feature mean that you can just throw it in your game as easy as they did no matter how different your game is?
How do you honestly think they are going to respond?
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I'm pretty sure in this scenario. he means crossplay between consoles... Sony doesn't have a problem with cross-playing with PC and mobile, since YOU may not experience it, doesn't mean that it's not there. Seems people sure do like to spread misinformation because they don't want to cross-play with Nintendo and Xbox...it doesn't mean they never been about crossplay at all. And i believe based on the nature of the game, it would be bad to have crossplay with PC because of the edge PC would have against console...if anything CROSS SAVE should be the norm going forward next gen.
So you're just making claims based off what you imagine game development to be like. Got it.
At least try to make some similar comparisons to show you're basing your arguments off something. Come on man.
A snarky response just shows you really have nothing to contribute.
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The fact you are trying harder to put this on Todd rather than Sony proves otherwise. You can't just come to your own conclusion that it's either or. This is not a simple matchmaking game so maybe it's a huge undertaking trying to offer such a world unless all parties are involved. Perhaps this is why Destiny 2 does not offer it.
I think the problem there is they don't make free to play games
What am I not "putting on Sony"? They don't want console crossplay. Did I ever deny that? (I didn't). Todd however needs to put his money where his mouth is in regards to crossplay after the comments he made.
And this whole crossplay situation is everyone coming to their own conclusions. Like you just did with Destiny 2. Also with Fallout.
I find your whole attitude towards all of this to be disingenuous to begin with. You said I love all the professional business analysts in here from the Fortnite topic and Sony blocking accounts. Now you want to act like a professional business analyst here. It was the same tactic you used in that thread, talk about Epic and then talk about this and that all while ignoring Sony in all of it.
Their point that you don't need to be a developer to understand a general aspect of the process is right, though. You don't need to be a baker to know if a roll is burned.
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You don't need to be a dev to understand why this is a flimsy premise to hinge your response to the Fallout 76 news on, doubly so because it relies on assuming Todd Howard just arbitrarily hates Sony so much that he's lying publicly to malign them. It's simple to understand why holding off on a specific feature if the far-and-away market leader doesn't allow it on their platform, even if you'd like it in your game. If you wanted those circumstances to change, you'd probably make some sort of statement spelling out that exact rationale for why a feature you'd like isn't there. You asked VlaudTheImpaler where they were getting that impression, well there it is.
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Again, at what point did I ignore Sony in all of it? Can you answer that? Where did I not mention Sony when it was needed?
You do need to have some sort of basis to back up your claims on, not what you imagine game development to be like. Using any kind of existing example to show where your claims are coming from is a hell of a lot better than "well maybe's" based on absolutely nothing.
You're baker example is looking at something at surface level, so it's a poor comparison, at best.
Where did I say Todd Howard Hates Sony? He may just be using them as a convenient scapegoat, that's entirely possible. I however, am not saying that's the case, simply is a possibility. Doesn't mean he hates Sony if that's somehow what happened. Todd Howard may have never been serious about including crossplay to begin with. I can get that impression because he said absolutely nothing about crossplay on the other platforms that do allow it. Hence why he's "holding off on a specific feature if the far-and-away market leader doesn't allow it on their platform" is not the impression I get from the info in the OP.
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Wow, this was an incredible waste of my time. I hope you put things together for yourself, eventually.
Very thoughtful response. I hope you're able to move past mob mentality and look at the bigger picture so you can put things together for yourself, eventually.
If this is just a Sony issue, looking forward to XB1/PC crossplay for Fallout 76, which is a given, right?
Right?
Right?
Oh snap, I had no idea, my apologies. I swear I've seen users other than mods use it before. And sorry for the slow response, I had an important phone call.
Sigh, Durante is a dev, I did quote him earlier. And so are Psyonix… I'll do it again.
I can ask around about the 1+1 thing if you really want.
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For goodness sakes I'm cursed... I didn't mean to...
Let me fix it.
You keep asking for proof from everyone else but you're making assumptions and using hypotheticals to try make your point.
F2P games aren't locked behind a paywalled on Xbox, online play is.
Some people just want the whole thing to be forgotten asap
Can I mention how great it is, were reaching a point of blowback of this scale, about platform agnosticity and cross play. It's something I've been heralding about like a Looney for so long. While so many people were against the very notion for so long, and still are. It's just a wonderful thing. Gaming has never been better for me, and it looks to only improve. I'm damn excited and I hope big names continue to point fingers and complain alongside consumers. I know it's not just Sony, but if we push for it, they might not be able to retreat back into their corners and change their minds so easily again in the future.
I'm quite surprised that this didn't vanish actually. Seems like these voices are here to stay, which is of course awesome.
If I am getting FO76 i will defenitely not play it with others (if that is even an option), I do not know people with an Xbox One and the one friend I have with a Switch, does also not play online. So I couldn't care less about cross play and I don't get why this is such a thing anyway.
So as long as you're not personally affected you don't care about it?
Nah. As long as you continue to bump these threads every day, it won't be forgotten on ResetEra.
So I should care about it, even if I don't care about it? Not sure where you're going at..
I don't even have much of an investment on the Sony side of things cuz 3 my 4 gamer friends have Xbox 1s. Would be really cool if the one PS4 friend could play Fortnite with us. I'm on Switch:)
Edit. Forgot about a 5th friend who is PC exclusive and hates Fortnite but the future could hold more games we can all play together. It'll be great
but...you're always playing FO76 with others.
And no, if it doesn't affect you you don't have to care, but going into a thread about it and posting shows you care enough even though you claim not to. Like, all kinds of things that don't help other people in this world don't 'affect' me, but that doesn't mean that I don't care about what is doing what is better for everyone as a whole. Gaming is obviously not THAT important in the long run, but why would you actively give enough of a shit to try and go out of your way to talk about how much it doesn't affect you? Let alone not understand that it obviously does affect lots of other people.
It's pedantic. There's no reason for you to even be here posting about it if it wasn't some scoff at the notion that Papa Sony is doing something shitty.
Not sure why you're passive aggressively calling him out for "bumping" a thread that stays on the front page of ResetEra either way, just because you obviously wish it to be forgotten.
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