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Dervius

Member
Oct 28, 2017
4,909
UK
Forks on the left and knife on the right.

Who the fuck cares? I've done fork on the right my entire life, fight me.

Yeah this has never made sense to me, I think it's just a vestigial tradition (i..e when all children were taught to write with their right hand regardless of preference, it had religious overtones).

I'm right handed and use my fork so much more than my knife, surely it requires much more motor control and the cutting implement?

Having to wait for other people to get their meals before starting your own at a restaurant. I don't see why my food should have to get cold for several minutes. I would never expect people to wait for me and I actively tell them to dig in if they're waiting.

Seems like some weird antiquated piece of etiquette that needs to go away.

It is antiquated but often implemented incorrectly. According to etiquette you are not expected to wait for the others if the dish is served hot, you begin when it arrives at the table if it is at a large event (think soup at a high-society banquet).

In reality it's situational, if you're out for dinner with half a dozen people, it's pretty courteous to wait because the time between the first and last dish is generally very small.
 
Oct 27, 2017
1,724
French origin here, funny to see how social norms differ.

Picking your nose and farting in public.
Everything that has something to do with a bodily secretion/fluid should be banned in public.
Farting ? Annoying noise and foul smell => you annoy everyone.
Defecating ? Same and now with a poop => you annoy everyone.
Urinating ? Same but now with fluid all over the place => you annoy everyone
Picking your nose ? Disgusting but hey maybe you had an itch. Where are you going to put your snot ?
Not sure if serious though

I'm that guy I will eat the last of whatever to save people the shame of being the last to eat something. I agree, someone has to eat it. It's the worst when everyone is sharing a pizza and there is one slice left and everyone just sort of side eyes it for 10 minutes. Like everyone wants it, but nobody wants to say. I usually am just like - anyone want? No? *munch*
IIRC there's a German saying that goes : "The one who picks the last piece is a pig. All the other ones are stupid pigs".

Waiting for everyone to get their food before you start eating. I get it. It's just...inconvenient.
Here it's expected to wait for everyone to be served but then often the one who are waiting tell the ones who have their food to begin eating lest it'll be cold.

Having to stand up to greet people. Fuck you I'm comfortable.
Well if it's verbal okay. But now way I'm going to slump over to handshake you.

Forks on the left and knife on the right.

Who the fuck cares? I've done fork on the right my entire life, fight me.
Here it's more like "Knife in the right hand to cut easily your meat" I'm like fuck you I have enough strength in my left hand to cut that steak bro.

Slurping/No slurping is an interesting one, considering it varies by culture. Which one is right? XD
In France it's rude for tea and soup.
In Maghreb it's expected for tea and soup as it is served scalding hot.

Not saying hello / bye to your co-workers and neighbours you come across in your house / office floor
Like some of those people I've never even talked with why am i expected to greet them
Greeting is like level 1 of politeness. Ignoring people is rude. No one says you have to chit chat and befriend them, but acknowledging someone is basic decency.

Having to greet everyone at a party. Kissing women on the cheeks and giving men a hand.

I'm here for the one throwing the party, not entertaining their guests.
You must be great at parties (sorry I've always wanted to say this).
More seriously a party is a social gathering. Imho it's normal to greet everyone (doesn't mean you have to physically be in contact with them. Acknowledging them is the most important part. See above).
 

ScandiNavy

Banned
Apr 13, 2018
1,551
Norway
LOL, well alright then.

Funny you mention that though, because a family of 4 sat next to us and their youngest daughter pulled out a Nintendo DS. Didn't help my friend make his point, lol. I still don't see the issue, though.
I have this dream that I can play my Vita on the train, on the plane, wherever. But I'm not 100% relaxed, and that does something with getting into a game. I can't do it :(
Well, at least not on moving things.
 
Oct 25, 2017
26,560
Having to cover my nose or mouth when sneezing or coughing. I don't want those germs on me. Gross.

Playing music loudly in public without using headphones. Worry about yourself huh sweetie?
No. No. No. Fuck this and the people who do it. If you're passing by in a loud car, fine, you do you. If you're standing in one spot making everyone listen to your shitty music, fuck off. Headphones are $10 everywhere. Do us a favor and let me worry about myself without hearing your music.
 

Lady Murasaki

Scary Shiny Glasses
Member
Oct 25, 2017
680
I'm that guy I will eat the last of whatever to save people the shame of being the last to eat something. I agree, someone has to eat it. It's the worst when everyone is sharing a pizza and there is one slice left and everyone just sort of side eyes it for 10 minutes. Like everyone wants it, but nobody wants to say. I usually am just like - anyone want? No? *munch*

Here people usually say the person who takes the last piece is starving or just a glutton. It's seen as horribly rude. There is a saying even about this ''taking your belly out of misery''.

I used to have a lot of awkward moments when people would give me the preference to the door and I would be like ''no after you'' and the person ''no after you'' and then I would be ''no after you'', usually with men. I don't mind at all if a man goes before me, but since it seemed to always end up in this horrible awkward situation now I often will accept it.

I also heard nowadays you are not supposed to give the preference to women but to your senior, especially at work. But if a senior (man or woman) gives me the preference I rather take it than end up in this silly courtesy duel.
 

Shiloh

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Oct 25, 2017
3,710
This seems to be mostly a western or american thing but the stigma against eating outside alone always seemed stupid.
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Having to wait for other people to get their meals before starting your own at a restaurant. I don't see why my food should have to get cold for several minutes. I would never expect people to wait for me and I actively tell them to dig in if they're waiting.

Seems like some weird antiquated piece of etiquette that needs to go away.
Original rule was a touch more complicated, but it seems we've "simplified" it over the years. If the dish is cold (such as a salad), you wait for everyone to get theirs. If it is warm, you begin when it is served and it is a reflection on the establishment and not you for the timings being incorrect.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Going to a movie by yourself or eating by yourself. It's like an entire construct designed to make people spend more money for some nonsensical approval of strangers who dont care.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Original rule was a touch more complicated, but it seems we've "simplified" it over the years. If the dish is cold (such as a salad), you wait for everyone to get theirs. If it is warm, you begin when it is served and it is a reflection on the establishment and not you for the timings being incorrect.

Well, this needs to be circulated quite a bit more because it's something that really irritates me!
 

RoboPlato

Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,808
Saying no problem when someone says thanks. An 80 year old lady exploded on me once for saying it cheerfully with a smile.
 

Camjo-Z

Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,509
My mom gets mad at me every time I hold the door for her at a restaurant because I "don't do it right". Apparently I'm supposed to strain my arm and stretch to keep the door open while she squeezes past me rather than just enter/exit the building first myself and then easily hold the door open for her. It makes no sense.
 

SliceSabre

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,556
All the social faux pas around doing certain things by yourself being seen as sad or pathetic.

Fuck you I'm going to go to the movies, out to eat, to the amusement park etc all I want by myself and enjoy myself.
 

Raptomex

Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,249
- Saying "excuse me" after you belch/burp.

Why? How is burping rude? I can understand if you literally do it in someone's face or on someone's food. But just casually eating with people and you burp? So what? When you're by yourself, do you actually say "excuse me" after burping? If not, do you say "holy shit, that's so fucking gross. How rude! Why didn't I say excuse me?". We all do it. We're expelling gas from the body. We're going to do it again. Why are we excusing ourselves? It makes no sense.


- Leave the seat down when you're done.

It takes almost no effort to put the toilet seat up or down. Why can't the accepted standard be to leave the seat up? What's the difference? I was told not too long ago that the reason is "because girls don't pee standing up." Whether you pee standing up or not, who cares? If I go to the bathroom and see the seat is down, I put it up and take a piss. It's not difficult. I'll follow the rule if I'm in somebody else's home, but I still question this.


- "Dressing up" for social events/interactions.

I refuse to attend most social functions that have a dress code. If I can't wear a t-shirt and jeans or shorts, I'm really not interested and will always ask if I have to dress up. I'll make an exception for those close to me but will still question if I have to. I don't like dressing up and I find it uncomfortable. Even when going on a date, it seems to be accepted that you should wear something "nice", at least on the first date. Some people like to say "so you look your best". First of all, that's subjective. Second of all, it's one thing to show up with stains and ripped up clothing and another to wear your normal everyday clothes that are perfectly fine for social interaction. Clothes he/she will probably see you in most of the time anyway. The first impression of you dressing up isn't reality. Unless you dress like that all the time, of course. I'll dress up for a job interview because there's a chance I will be getting paid.


Not giving the bride and groom lots of money or an expensive gift at their wedding. Like, I'm broke. Why am I expected to give you $200 when I show up to your wedding?

And if your counter-argument is "because weddings are expensive", then maybe: stop throwing expensive weddings?
Fuck this "rule". I'll pay what I can afford, if anything. I would just give the couple a gift and not cash.

It's the same with parties. If it's bring your own [whatever], then make that clear. Don't just assume I'm bringing something because you invited me. If you want people to bring things, make it clear. I understand these things cost money but you decided to throw it and pay for it. Why should I have to pay for it? If you can't afford it, don't do it or do something cheaper.
 

gappvembe

Member
Oct 27, 2017
776
Why the fuck does punctuation go inside the quotes in American grammar, it should be outside the quotes unless the punctuation is actually part of the quote.

1,000 times this! I guess this is more grammar faux pas and I have one of my own.
To add to it, titles of things... books, movies, songs etc.
You only capitalize the "important words", not the "to's, and's, the's".... but only sometimes.
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So a quick fix... Capitalize All First Letters Of Each Word In A Tittle Of Something! No exeptions.
 

JCHandsom

Avenger
Nov 3, 2017
4,218
What is wrong with going to the movie by yourself. You're sitting quietly in the dark.

This is the one that always confused me, ditto the "nobody eats the last portion/drinks the last bit of drink" one, which I've seen too often.

The elbows one I've always assumed was to prevent crowding out people sitting next to you and keep from knocking around glasses/silverware.
 

Samenamenick

Banned
Nov 20, 2017
932
Manchester, NH
The practice of handshakes with your right hand exclusively always rubbed me the wrong way. As a lefty, I've recently started switching it up; the amount of confused looks I get were more than I ever expected, and worth it. I'm not going to stab you bro, it's not the 1500's.
 

Nikus

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
10,369
Not giving the bride and groom lots of money or an expensive gift at their wedding. Like, I'm broke. Why am I expected to give you $200 when I show up to your wedding?

And if your counter-argument is "because weddings are expensive", then maybe: stop throwing expensive weddings?
One of my friends (and best man) gave 20€ at my wedding last year and knowing how broke he is it meant a lot to me. I wouldn't have been disappointed at all if he hadn't given anything (and I got him a nice birthday gift later). That paid us some beers and cocktails during our honeymoon, so that's cool. But I agree, people at other weddings can be dicks.
 

sph3re

One Winged Slayer
Avenger
Oct 28, 2017
8,400
While I get the phone comparison and all, I would totally make fun of a friend for something like this just for shits and giggles, sorry man

Aww. Sucks for him, lol
Don't see why it would be since people play on their phones all the time.
I assumed they meant when alone? But I think people fiddling with their phone when eating with others is rude too so what do I know
Yeah, I meant alone, although he tried to make the case for doing it with us and we put a kibosh on the idea. I didn't see the issue with him using it when he's alone at a restaurant, but I think going to a restaurant alone is a social faux pas by itself, no?
 

Dervius

Member
Oct 28, 2017
4,909
UK
Yeah, I meant alone, although he tried to make the case for doing it with us and we put a kibosh on the idea. I didn't see the issue with him using it when he's alone at a restaurant, but I think going to a restaurant alone is a social faux pas by itself, no?

I worked at a fairly posh restaurant and we rarely thought anything of people dining alone, saw it pretty often. Most were generally traveling for work and used Tripadvisor to find the best rated restaurants in the area, often had laptops / tablets and the like. Admittedly I would find it a bit odd to have someone sitting alone at a table whilst playing a Switch, but sometimes you just have not give a fuck and march to the beat of your own drum.

Playing Switch when dining with others is a big no-no though (phones too for that matter).
 

Raptomex

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Oct 25, 2017
2,249
That doesn't make sense, either. So would I have to dress up each time I wanted to have sex with this person? Also, based on this logic, you risk crumpling your "nice" clothes. Now I'll have to iron them later and possibly get them dry cleaned if they get messy. So this whole sex scenario could end up costing me money on clothes in the end. If I just wore regular clothes, I could wash them like normal and be done with it. I like sex as much as anybody else but people do a lot of stupid shit just to get some.

What if this person follows the "sex on the third date" rule? Then why bother dressing up on the first two? What does that prove? To be clear, I do wear something "nice" on dates. I just don't understand the logic behind it. It's only social events like parties or any kind of social gathering that I either refuse to dress up or question if I have to.
 

Trickster

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
6,533
Definitely the no elbows on the table. Like, why the hell not? It's way more comfortable.

Same thing with not sitting with crossed arms because it "makes you appear negative or unreceptive". Again, it's just a comfortable way of sitting in certain situations
 

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Oct 25, 2017
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Not saying hello / bye to your co-workers and neighbours you come across in your house / office floor

Like some of those people I've never even talked with why am i expected to greet them
It's just being pleasant. You don't need to have a conversation, just a simple nod and a "good morning" when you walk by someone creates a more inviting office atmosphere.

I don't get a lot of the dining-related ones, but that's a given since most are holdovers from attempts to imitate or live among luxury. Dining watching movies alone don't seem like social faux pas as much as a common anxiety for people due to fear of judgment. I don't think anybody that matters actually looks down on others for doing it.

(also era please wash your hands after touching your penis)
 

Dervius

Member
Oct 28, 2017
4,909
UK
That doesn't make sense, either. So would I have to dress up each time I wanted to have sex with this person? Also, based on this logic, you risk crumpling your "nice" clothes. Now I'll have to iron them later and possibly get them dry cleaned if they get messy. So this whole sex scenario could end up costing me money on clothes in the end. If I just wore regular clothes, I could wash them like normal and be done with it. I like sex as much as anybody else but people do a lot of stupid shit just to get some.

What if this person follows the "sex on the third date" rule? Then why bother dressing up on the first two? What does that prove? To be clear, I do wear something "nice" on dates. I just don't understand the logic behind it. It's only social events like parties or any kind of social gathering that I either refuse to dress up or question if I have to.

The point was that the concept is similar to that of dressing up for a job interview.

No, this isn't necessarily the way you're going to dress all the time, but the message you're conveying to your prospective partner / employer is that it means something to you. That you'll put the effort in, and that you value them enough to go that extra mile. Alternatively, arriving in your everyday stuff sends the opposite message, and that this person / job warranted no extra effort.

Also pageantry in mating has scores of precedents in the natural world, so I think you're swimming against the tide on this one.
 

Nerdyone

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
1,723
So in raising my child, I have the responsibility to teach good manners and how to behave in general. It occurred to me recently that I never really grasped WHY we do some things as a society the way that we do. For instance:

No elbows on the table

Maybe I'm just not high class enough (I have no idea which fork goes where) but I've never personally subscribed to this one. If anything, it's a compliment to how good the food is. How would one eat a 3/4 pound double cheeseburger without putting their elbows on the table?

Don't point

I feel like this is a holdover from the days of the Salem witch trials or something. Pointing is a really effective way to communicate with someone. I could see how pointing to someone and saying something disrespectful could be bad, but surely that's more on the words than the gesture, right?


So what are some "Do"s or "Don't"s you never understood?

Maybe don't eat a 3/4lb hamburger to start out with? And how is it a compliment to the chef?
 

Raptomex

Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,249
The point was that the concept is similar to that of dressing up for a job interview.

No, this isn't necessarily the way you're going to dress all the time, but the message you're conveying to your prospective partner / employer is that it means something to you. That you'll put the effort in, and that you value them enough to go that extra mile. Alternatively, arriving in your everyday stuff sends the opposite message, and that this person / job warranted no extra effort.

Also pageantry in mating has scores of precedents in the natural world, so I think you're swimming against the tide on this one.
Well to be honest, a job interview means I could get paid. A date normally means I'll be spending money so I'm little less enthused about dressing up.

I agree I'm swimming against the tide. As I mentioned before, I follow the rule for dates. However, I'm more focused on the rule for social gatherings where I really don't have to prove anything.
 

Stouffers

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
3,924
Not sure if it was mentioned but I CANNOT adhere to the "three shakes" rule at the urinal. Anything after three is considered playing with yourself, but because of the nature of my piping, I require vigorous shaking, pushing up from under-scrot and rolling like a toothpaste tube to make sure I don't spittle-spot.
 

I Don't Like

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Dec 11, 2017
14,907
How would one eat a 3/4 pound double cheeseburger without putting their elbows on the table?

I don't think elbows on the table is a big deal but this is pretty obvious: you put your forearms on the table and can eat a burger just as easily.

Taking your jacket off at dinner.

Fuck you I'll wear what I want.

Had an argument with some friends trying to convince me I'd be warmer without it cause I would adjust to the indoor temp, but if I wore it I'd feel colder once we got outside cause I had acclimated inside while wearing the jacket.

Like, what the fuck are you talking about? Who cares, I'll take the risk folks.

Was it strictly because you were cold? Or you just can't be bothered to take your jacket off at dinner? Because the latter is definitely weird/lazy.
 

Nerdyone

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
1,723
- Saying "excuse me" after you belch/burp.

Why? How is burping rude? I can understand if you literally do it in someone's face or on someone's food. But just casually eating with people and you burp? So what? When you're by yourself, do you actually say "excuse me" after burping? If not, do you say "holy shit, that's so fucking gross. How rude! Why didn't I say excuse me?". We all do it. We're expelling gas from the body. We're going to do it again. Why are we excusing ourselves? It makes no sense.


- Leave the seat down when you're done.

It takes almost no effort to put the toilet seat up or down. Why can't the accepted standard be to leave the seat up? What's the difference? I was told not too long ago that the reason is "because girls don't pee standing up." Whether you pee standing up or not, who cares? If I go to the bathroom and see the seat is down, I put it up and take a piss. It's not difficult. I'll follow the rule if I'm in somebody else's home, but I still question this.


- "Dressing up" for social events/interactions.

I refuse to attend most social functions that have a dress code. If I can't wear a t-shirt and jeans or shorts, I'm really not interested and will always ask if I have to dress up. I'll make an exception for those close to me but will still question if I have to. I don't like dressing up and I find it uncomfortable. Even when going on a date, it seems to be accepted that you should wear something "nice", at least on the first date. Some people like to say "so you look your best". First of all, that's subjective. Second of all, it's one thing to show up with stains and ripped up clothing and another to wear your normal everyday clothes that are perfectly fine for social interaction. Clothes he/she will probably see you in most of the time anyway. The first impression of you dressing up isn't reality. Unless you dress like that all the time, of course. I'll dress up for a job interview because there's a chance I will be getting paid.



Fuck this "rule". I'll pay what I can afford, if anything. I would just give the couple a gift and not cash.

It's the same with parties. If it's bring your own [whatever], then make that clear. Don't just assume I'm bringing something because you invited me. If you want people to bring things, make it clear. I understand these things cost money but you decided to throw it and pay for it. Why should I have to pay for it? If you can't afford it, don't do it or do something cheaper.

This is a very poor attitude to go through life with. It's going to limit your chances of accomplishing things socially and financially. If you are young, it's time to grow up. If you are old, then hopefully it's not too late and you can make some changes.
 

M.Bluth

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,250
Asking people to take off their shoes when they enter your house.
Walking around the house with shoes you've been using outdoors all day is gross as fuck.

And if you think that quickly wiping your filthy shoes on a doormat is good enough, I don't wanna know what you think is acceptable hygiene after you take a dump.
 

Stouffers

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
3,924
Walking around the house with shoes you've been using outdoors all day is gross as fuck.

And if you think that quickly wiping your filthy shoes on a doormat is good enough, I don't wanna know what you think is acceptable hygiene after you take a dump.
TBF, I don't drag my ass across the carpet after hastily wiping.
 

Teggy

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Oct 25, 2017
14,892
People who actually care about the direction the toilet paper roll is put on.
 

The Albatross

Member
Oct 25, 2017
39,007
Elbows on the table is a good one.

Don't point is kinda okay. It makes sense when talking about people. You shouldn't point at people because it's very easy for someone to get the wrong idea or for that action to make someone feel the wrong way, even if you have good intentions. BUt, "Don't point" as a hard and fast rule is just one of those terrific stupid fucking British high society rules that somehow got handed down to vulgar idiots like us, which I'd imagine goes back to something like, "A gentleman never points, he uses his words to describe something, not like some ignoble savage!"

I hope the 'don't point' thing is one of those social rules that goes back to when Europeans were colonizing the 'uncivilized' world, and they were speaking English to people who had never heard English before, and so to avoid being killed the locals would point at something to communicate with the Europeans, and so Europeans all determined that only illiterate savages point at something, while the rest of high society uses language.

Why the fuck does punctuation go inside the quotes in American grammar, it should be outside the quotes unless the punctuation is actually part of the quote.

It looks neater :D

But yeah, grammatical rules are almost all arbitrary. I'm still a bit of a grammar freak, not as bad as many, but it's worth recognizing that grammar rules are strict rules for very little rationale.

Walking around the house with shoes you've been using outdoors all day is gross as fuck.

This is a good example of when something is a social custom for you, it's very, very difficult to break away from it because you come to rationalize it. The custom is what comes first, but then you rationalize it later to reinforce the custom.

It's one of those things like how there's way more germs on an elevator button than in a bathroom, but the social pressure of washing your hands after touching something (or yourself...) in a bathroom is so much stronger than the social pressure to wash your hands after touching an elevator button, that we come to rationalize it and have such a strong visceral reaction to it... and then look to rationalize that visceral reaction.
 
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The Albatross

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Oct 25, 2017
39,007
Playing music loudly in public without using headphones. Worry about yourself huh sweetie?

I mean, this is just obnoxious. Nobody wants to listen to your shitty music but you, and usually what you hear is not what other people hear.

Was at a resort a year ago, at the pool, lounging, and the resort had resort audio playing on speakers which was always some pointless background music... but this other group about ~10 chairs or so from us, had this loud bluetooth speaker in one of their bags blaring generic euro-pop German/Scandinavian dance music. I'm sure it sounded fine to them up close, but to everybody else it was just the baseline, drums, and noise. It was so distracting, and it also clashed with the audio from the hotel to make this discordant mess of noise as the hotel audio and this person's personal audio clashed.

The staff asked them to turn it off several times, and they "turned it down" but just ignorant to the fact that when you turn something down, often times tones that you can't hear up close are the only tones other people can hear at a distance.

I generally hate noise pollution though.
 
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Kyuuji

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Nov 8, 2017
32,119
Elbows on the table, completely agree outside of formal occasions or restaurants.