• Light/Dark
  • Ever wanted an RSS feed of all your favorite gaming news sites? Go check out our new Gaming Headlines feed! Read more about it here.

[New York Times]: In Denmark, Harsh New Laws for Immigrant ‘Ghettos’

Thisman

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
2,841
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/07/01/world/europe/denmark-immigrant-ghettos.html

When Rokhaia Naassan gives birth in the coming days, she and her baby boy will enter a new category in the eyes of Danish law. Because she lives in a low-income immigrant neighborhood described by the government as a "ghetto," Rokhaia will be what the Danish newspapers call a "ghetto parent" and he will be a "ghetto child."

Starting at the age of 1, "ghetto children" must be separated from their families for at least 25 hours a week, not including nap time, for mandatory instruction in "Danish values," including the traditions of Christmas and Easter, and Danish language. Noncompliance could result in a stoppage of welfare payments. Other Danish citizens are free to choose whether to enroll children in preschool up to the age of six.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

"Some will wail and say, 'We're not equal before the law in this country,' and 'Certain groups are punished harder,' but that's nonsense," he said, adding that the increased penalties would affect only people who break the law.

To those claiming the measures single out Muslims, he said: "That's nonsense and rubbish. To me this is about, no matter who lives in these areas and who they believe in, they have to profess to the values required to have a good life in Denmark."
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...


"We call them 'ghetto children, ghetto parents,' it's so crazy," Ms. Akdogan said. "It is becoming a mainstream word, which is so dangerous. People who know a little about history, our European not-so-nice period, we know what the word 'ghetto' is associated with."

She pulled out her phone to display a Facebook post from a right-wing politician, railing furiously at a Danish supermarket for selling a cake reading "Eid Mubarak," for the Muslim holiday of Eid. "Right now, facts don't matter so much, it's only feelings," she said. "This is the dangerous part of it."
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

About 12 miles south of the city, in the middle-class suburb of Greve, though, voters gushed with approval over the new laws.

"They spend too much Danish money," said Dorthe Pedersen, a hairdresser, daubing chestnut dye on a client's hairline. "We pay their rent, their clothing, their food, and then they come in broken Danish and say, 'We can't work because we've got a pain.'"

Her client, Anni Larsen, told a story about being invited by a Turkish immigrant to their child's wedding and being scandalized to discover that the guests were separated by gender and seated in different rooms. "I think there were only 10 people from Denmark," she said, appalled. "If you ask me, I think they shouldn't have invited us."
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

Danish society moving towards normalizing racism

[Mod edit: this thread's title has been updated for topic clarity.]
 
Last edited by a moderator:
signal

signal

Member
Oct 28, 2017
40,186
I guess they REALLY want to get children integrated. Reads like some Canadian Residential Schools tier stuff though.
 

Deleted member 28564

User-requested account closure
Banned
Oct 31, 2017
3,604
I had no idea Easter and Christmas were Danish.

And, uh.
"Some will wail and say, 'We're not equal before the law in this country,' and 'Certain groups are punished harder,' but that's nonsense," he said, adding that the increased penalties would affect only people who break the law.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Is being different to others a crime now? What the hell, Denmark?
 
Jceaz

Jceaz

Member
Oct 30, 2017
388
Mandatory classes on Easter and Christmas?
Not targeted against muslims?
I don't know how to square those two.
 
Spaltazar

Spaltazar

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
2,105
classes about Christmas and Easter? lmao, they should use this time to teach those kids valuable things if they are going down this route
 
Senteevs

Senteevs

Member
Oct 28, 2017
448
Latvia
In Northern European countries it is no secret that Denmark and Norway ar pretty... let's say harsh on imigrants.
 
Indy in the Fridge

Indy in the Fridge

Banned
Oct 30, 2017
15,278
I'm all for laws that provide newborn children with the care needed to develop appropriately and to realize their full potential. I'm not for laws that are essentially designed to indoctrinate children into a culture separate from their families.
 
KingSnake

KingSnake

Member
Oct 25, 2017
17,984
Starting at the age of 1, "ghetto children" must be separated from their families for at least 25 hours a week, not including nap time, for mandatory instruction in "Danish values," including the traditions of Christmas and Easter, and Danish language. Noncompliance could result in a stoppage of welfare payments. Other Danish citizens are free to choose whether to enroll children in preschool up to the age of six.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

Is this true? Because it sounds like the obvious case of state sponsored discrimination and heritage erasing. Mandatory Christian education from the age of 1? Really?
 
Mivey

Mivey

Member
Oct 25, 2017
17,820
If liberal democracies can't stand a bit of diversity and immediately descent into Apartheid states, were they really so liberal to begin with?
 
Urban Scholar

Urban Scholar

Member
Oct 30, 2017
5,603
Florida
And for today's addition of you ain't shit; Denmark.

This is egregious as hell. All countries that take part in things like this all read the same.

These kids are going to grow up with serious identity issues no should carry.

Again Denmark you ain't shit.
 
hydrophilic attack

hydrophilic attack

Member
Oct 25, 2017
21,442
Sweden
denmark is a perfect example of what happens when the respected parties legitimize the racist parties by collaborating with them

austria is going the same way now with FPÖ in government, and i'm seeing worrying signs in sweden

don't listen to people who say that "listening to their concerns" is the only way to stop the growth of racist parties. those people don't know what they're talking about, or they know all too well and they're trying to pull the wool over your eyes
 

Family

Banned
Feb 25, 2018
152
Wow. That is some deep hardcore racism.

Sad to see the slide to facism and racism that lot of Europe is going through.

Muslims are so oppressed, and discriminated against, that its getting out of control.
 
Dingens

Dingens

Circumventing ban with an alt account
Banned
Oct 26, 2017
2,018
Welp... can't wait for other rightwing governments to follow the lead.
That being said, the thread title is utter bullshit.
 

Rahvar

Weight Loss Champion 2018: Most Lost
Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,153
Sweden
Denmark are not that christian. Just like in Sweden Christmas and Easter are major holidays that in the public eye have basicaly nothing to do with religion.

That said, this law is horribly racist and absolutely targetting muslims.
 
signal

signal

Member
Oct 28, 2017
40,186
One measure under consideration would allow courts to double the punishment for certain crimes if they are committed in one of the 25 neighborhoods classified as ghettos, based on residents' income, employment status, education levels, number of criminal convictions and "non-Western background." Another would impose a four-year prison sentence on immigrant parents who force their children to make extended visits to their country of origin — described here as "re-education trips" —in that way damaging their "schooling, language and well-being."
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
0pGGQQ2.png
 
hydrophilic attack

hydrophilic attack

Member
Oct 25, 2017
21,442
Sweden
Her client, Anni Larsen, told a story about being invited by a Turkish immigrant to their child's wedding and being scandalized to discover that the guests were separated by gender and seated in different rooms. "I think there were only 10 people from Denmark," she said, appalled. "If you ask me, I think they shouldn't have invited us."
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
imagine being invited to a wedding and then just whining about how the hosts chose to set it up and who else they invited
 
Chamaeleonx

Chamaeleonx

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
2,348
AlsoZ said:
Who's paying for these 25 hours? The state?
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
I would imagine it probably is something like daycare or kindergarten.

Of course the word choice is really bad. But the general idea isn't that bad. You want people to integrate and not create their own communities inside your country. Of course they shouldn't be second class citizens or anything like, just how do you get them to integrate if you offer education, language courses and more for them to take (I believe/hope that is the case here)?
 
Ensorcell

Ensorcell

Member
Oct 27, 2017
5,441
"They spend too much Danish money," said Dorthe Pedersen, a hairdresser, daubing chestnut dye on a client's hairline. "We pay their rent, their clothing, their food, and then they come in broken Danish and say, 'We can't work because we've got a pain.'

Wow that really sounds familiar. She should have ended her rant with "Make Denmark great again!"
 
Dr. Mario

Dr. Mario

Member
Oct 27, 2017
13,843
Netherlands
In a cold and gray Denmark morn another little baby child is born.


This sounds awful, almost comically so. It also sounds like a journalist taking some major liberties in interpreting the facts. They wouldn't formally call it an outright ghetto would they (would they? If they do yeah that's bad), and how is teaching about Easter favoring Christians? As a semi militant atheist even I think it's good to know about the customary holidays. Or should we agree teaching immigrants about Thanksgiving is harsh on non colonialists or something. Forced schooling too, sounds awful, were it not that all European countries have "forced schooling" until the age of 16-18; here they look for Children who are disadvantaged by their social upbringing and are given extra. You could call it terrible, you call it social democracy.

Can a Dane confirm this article?
 
Chamaeleonx

Chamaeleonx

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
2,348
Principate said:
I mean yeah but those are the opposite of cheap.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
I would imagine that some parents choose to not send their children to daycare/kindergarten because they don't believe in it, want to educate their children themself don't share the values of the society they live in. What else can the government do?

Ensorcell said:
"They spend too much Danish money," said Dorthe Pedersen, a hairdresser, daubing chestnut dye on a client's hairline. "We pay their rent, their clothing, their food, and then they come in broken Danish and say, 'We can't work because we've got a pain.'

Wow that really sounds familiar. She should have ended her rant with "Make Denmark great again!"
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
While it doesn't sound good, you can probably understand that they want people to learn the language. =/
 
You must log in or register to reply here.