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Cow Mengde

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Oct 26, 2017
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The alt right and nazis are using technology to fight and spread chaos. Why aren't the left fighting back with their own technology? Me, I don't have the skills, but I refuse to believe everyone on the left are as incompetent as me. It just surprises me that we're just sitting here and not fighting back. We can use the same technology that they're using.

We can use bots and spread real information among their own base. We can do everything they can if there are enough people banning together with a goal and a direction. Twitter bots to ruin their conversations. Bots to drown out their voices. There's so much we can do!
 
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UberTag

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Oct 25, 2017
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My understanding is that they're not technologically incompetent. They're just taking the high road and not bothering to sink to Russia's level.
I'm sure that approach will continue to go swimmingly.
 

Dennis8K

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Oct 25, 2017
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I don't think you can target misinformation at only their base. Misinformation goes everywhere.

2xFAKE NEWS and more chaos.
 
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Cow Mengde

Cow Mengde

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Oct 26, 2017
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Yeah, should be galvanized to take action. This isn't even a call to violence. We have to technology to screw them up.

Throughout history Chinese, it's always the corrupt who are coming up with schemes, while the more decent side gets slaughtered by political maneuvers. This happens plenty of times in Chinese history. I'm witnessing the same thing.

I don't think you can target misinformation at only their base. Misinformation goes everywhere.

2xFAKE NEWS and more chaos.

It doesn't have to be fake news. We can drown out their voices if say we have tons of bots spreading information nonstop at their popular spots. Like tons of fakes on Trump's twitter spreading shit.
 

Skelepuzzle

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Apr 17, 2018
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The right's entire idealogy is predicated on the suffering of the "other." They are motivated to hurt others and attract lunatics. They will naturally spend more of their time trying to damage their opponents.

An example: Star Tribune's comments on the Minneapolis Keep Families Together march was almost completely flooded by angry right wingers. My photos on imgur, despite getting few views, still had anti march comments on them with upvotes. A sane lefty just nods their head when they see something good happening and goes about their day while a hateful bigot is enraged by morality. They exist to destroy.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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The alt right and nazis are using technology to fight and spread chaos. Why aren't the left fighting back with their own technology? Me, I don't have the skills, but I refuse to believe everyone on the left are as incompetent as me. It just surprises me that we're just sitting here and not fighting back. We can use the same technology that they're using.

We can use bots and spread misinformation among their own base. We can do everything they can if there are enough people banning together with a goal and a direction. Twitter bots to ruin their conversations. Bots to drown out their voices. There's so much we can do!

This is like making computer viruses for good. It's great until it's weaponized against you. The general problem is that simple (wrong) answers are easy to consume because they don't require a lecture on economics or history. It's simply much easier to consume a firehose of simple bad opinions that anyone can understand (at least with little critical thought).
 

Snowybreak

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Oct 25, 2017
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I've wondered for a while why it's always right-wingers who flood comment sections. I mean, I don't post comments because I just never have the energy to debate these morons. They're too thick to get through to and arguing with them in any capacity is a good way to waste your time and get nowhere. If I was to argue with some crazed right-winger, I'd rather do it in public or face-to-face. Preferably with a shot of rye in me.
 

Pedrito

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Nov 4, 2017
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It's just way easier to spread fear on social media.
I doubt bots constantly posting about the awesomeness of socialized medicine would have much of an impact.

I've wondered for a while why it's always right-wingers who flood comment sections. I mean, I don't post comments because I just never have the energy to debate these morons. They're too thick to get through to and arguing with them in any capacity is a good way to waste your time and get nowhere. If I was to argue with some crazed right-winger, I'd rather do it in public or face-to-face. Preferably with a shot of rye in me.

Because when you're constantly angry at everything, you need an outlet.
 
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BocoDragon

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Oct 26, 2017
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It's quite a testament to how things changed in our era because the left was definitely technologically ascendant until, I'd say honestly, the early-mid 2010s.

Everything Internet was considered liberal by default for decades and it was the whole range of the right, from republican to KKK, that we kind of laughed at for not understanding technology.

Smartphone + social media changed everything. Normal non-nerds use computers etc.
 

Snowybreak

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Oct 25, 2017
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It's just way easier to spread fear on social media.
I doubt bots constantly posting about the awesomeness of socialize medicine would have much of an impact.

Honestly yeah. The left's message isn't one of fear, so it's kinda hard to propagandize. Unity, Acceptance and Charity are fantastic messages, but they don't sound as good over a loudspeaker or in GIANT BOLD LETTERING. Or full of words like DESTROYED and SLAMMED. It sadly just doesn't take well to that kind of messaging.
 
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Cow Mengde

Cow Mengde

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Oct 26, 2017
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Honestly yeah. The left's message isn't one of fear, so it's kinda hard to propagandize. Unity, Acceptance and Charity are fantastic messages, but they don't sound as good over a loudspeaker or in GIANT BOLD LETTERING. Or full of words like DESTROYED and SLAMMED. It sadly just doesn't take well to that kind of messaging.

You can destroy Trump. Slam Nazis.
 

WillyFive

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Oct 25, 2017
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It's not that they are technologically incompetent, it's that it takes less effort to convince older, less technologically savvy Facebook and Reddit users of an ideology. All you need is a JPEG with a sentence that confirms your beliefs in huge bold letters for it to be spread virally through Facebook feeds of older citizens, let alone Twitter and YouTube where both offer easy ways to remain in a bubble.
 

Kappa

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Oct 27, 2017
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Because the left doesn't have an entire country that's dedicated to spreading gop filth
 

Snowybreak

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Oct 25, 2017
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You can destroy Trump. Slam Nazis.

Oh of course! I'm specifically talking about the core message of our cause. You can definitely flip the script when it comes to dragging Nazis. There are those on Twitter who fight pretty hard, but they rarely receive backup from other liberals, while right wingers seem to have an army of angry White fucks at their disposal. Sometimes even a (probably fake) token PoC to back them up if the argument turns racial.
 

AYF 001

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Oct 28, 2017
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I've wondered for a while why it's always right-wingers who flood comment sections. I mean, I don't post comments because I just never have the energy to debate these morons. They're too thick to get through to and arguing with them in any capacity is a good way to waste your time and get nowhere. If I was to argue with some crazed right-winger, I'd rather do it in public or face-to-face. Preferably with a shot of rye in me.
Pretty sure ERA prohibits brigading other forums and comments sections. Where's all those (((Soros))) trolls when you need them?
 

Kuroyume

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Oct 25, 2017
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User banned (5 days): off-topic trolling, peddling disinformation, history of similar behaviour
The left has news media for that job. Literally 99.9% of news orgs can be considered as a left leaning.
 

samoyed

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Oct 26, 2017
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The left has news media for that job. Literally 99.9% of news orgs can be considered as a left leaning.
Yes, but they're not very good at galvanizing the base, is what the OP thinks. A lot of waffling, a lot of coddling of "both sides", chasing the money rather than supporting the left, etc.

It's not so much as about having tech competency as leveraging it to its full extent in a culture war.

There are successful actors in this space though, like Hogg and more recently Ocasio-Cortez, but it's a far cry from the comment storming, botnets, relentless meme propaganda that fuels the right.
 

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The "left" has issues calling Nazi's "Nazi's." Need to work on that shit first before you can start PR campaign against them.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Many of the shit you see is bot networks. They're creating chaos and amplifying it from all fronts. It's not just entirely the alt-right

Also wasn't there a story about how Gab is now eating itself a bit? Something to do with the site being over run by actual nazis?
 

hurlex

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Oct 25, 2017
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The left is tech savy. In fact, a lot of people credited Obama's win due to technology and analytics, and it was the right that seemed clueless about this stuff.

The response to their shit shouldn't be stooping to their level. That shit should be illegal. There is probably room for some debate on whether the left should stoop to that level for a short period of time to make sure they come back into power and actually do something about this bullshit bot army and fake news.
 

Static

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Oct 25, 2017
6,108
We can use bots and spread misinformation among their own base. We can do everything they can if there are enough people banning together with a goal and a direction. Twitter bots to ruin their conversations. Bots to drown out their voices. There's so much we can do!
Wow, no, I'm just not interested. The solution to lies is not in my opinion more lies. These are to my eyes inherently bad things, and adding more shit to the burning pile of shit won't get us to a better place, it'll just see us buried higher and deeper in burning shit.

Maybe I'm just naive though.

Who says we have to spread fake news?
You led with "spread misinformation, so you did.
 

Rocket Man

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Oct 25, 2017
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Pretty much it's much harder to inform than to misinform. It's a huge problem ranging from politics, economics, science etc.
 

4Tran

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Nov 4, 2017
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It's not a matter of technology; it's about ethics and how one side doesn't care about doing unethical or even illegal things while the other prefers to take the high road.
 
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Cow Mengde

Cow Mengde

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Oct 26, 2017
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You led with "spread misinformation, so you did.

You're right, I did say that. I was actually thinking about spreading all the news that's true about Trump. Not sure why I wrote misinformation. I agree battling misinformation with misinformation is bad. I'll go back and edit my original post.
 

Barls

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Oct 25, 2017
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I mean, you've heard of Food Babe and anti vaxxers right? Spreading fake, shitty information is not just for one side of the political spectrum. It's just one side has managed to turn that into votes more effectively turn that into votes recently.
 

lazygecko

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Oct 25, 2017
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This ties into a broader, much older topic where left wing politics historically believes that the truth can stand for itself and that they don't need to resort to underhanded and subversive methods to propagate their message.
 

AYF 001

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Oct 28, 2017
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It's not a matter of technology; it's about ethics and how one side doesn't care about doing unethical or even illegal things while the other prefers to take the high road.
It also doesn't help when the companies who control that technology are infested with far-right sympathizers who fight back against efforts to weed out their propaganda.
 

Dr. Benton Quest

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Oct 25, 2017
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Our electorate is diverse and more discerning.

It's easy to target a message of racism and fear to the right when their entire electorate is racist and afraid.

Frankly, they're uneducated and easy to dupe.

Edit: That only touches on propaganda though. The left used technology in a way it had never been used politically before when it elected Barrack Obama.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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the left?
what does their political opinions have to do with their technological skill?

you could make the same argument for the far right - "all they do is drink beer, shoot guns and watch NASCAR ... they don't know how to program"
 

Typhonsentra

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Oct 27, 2017
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It is less about technology and more about psychology. Leftists and the media as a whole don't tend to understand the game they are playing so in turn they engage them on terms which end up favorable to them. Case in point the way the media reported on drinking milk being co-opted by the alt-right during the election.

They were gaslighting at every turn and CNN couldn't help themselves to report them without question.
 

Dr. Benton Quest

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the left?
what does their political opinions have to do with their technological skill?

you could make the same argument for the far right - "all they do is drink beer, shoot guns and watch NASCAR ... they don't know how to program"
This is not the argument at all. If you think there isn't a large semi-organized movement on the right to spread grassroots propaganda, you're mistaken.
 

Deleted member 7207

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The left isn't employing a bot army to spread propoganda.

Some might disagree. An excerpt from Huff Post dating back a few months:

Take Sally Albright, a Democratic Party communications consultant who backed presidential candidate Hillary Clinton in 2016. Unsurprisingly, Albright is vocally opposed to President Donald Trump and a big supporter of the resistance to his administration. She is also one of the loudest, most divisive voices attacking Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), Clinton's onetime Democratic primary opponent, and his left-wing supporters.

Well after the primary, Albright continues to claim that Sanders is a fraud, a liar, racist and corrupt, among many other things. In one instance she declared that the policy idea of free college, as promoted by Sanders, was racist. This provoked Sanders supporters to argue back.

Trevor, a Sanders supporter who declined to provide his last name for fear of being doxxed, but goes by @likingonline on Twitter, noticed a strange pattern of behavior when Albright responded to him. Her tweets addressing him were rapidly retweeted by the same series of accounts. This created a barrage of notifications making it look as though there was an avalanche of opposition to everything he said.

But as Trevor discovered, after an extensive amount of research that he posted online, these were not normal accounts. They appeared to be bots ― automated accounts masked as real people being used to amplify a particular political message. Who is really pulling the strings, however, remains a mystery.

Albright told HuffPost that the accounts were voluntarily handed over by their original users to an unnamed client of hers to be automated in "an analytics program." She said she was bound by a non-disclosure agreement and could not disclose who was collecting and automating these accounts or for what purpose.

But like her, these accounts were all pro-Clinton, anti-Trump and anti-Sanders.
 

sleepInsom

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Oct 27, 2017
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If anything, it's the right who can't figure out how the internet works to the point where they can't spot a clickbait article to save their lives.
 

skeezx

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Oct 27, 2017
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honestly if people are dumb enough to fry their brain on facebook and then vote i'd rather just lose than set up troll farms and such as a counter punch

but ultimately i'd say no, "the left" is very tech savvy, a big factor that gave us two terms of obama. but the medium isn't always guaranteed to work in your favor
 

GrooveCommand

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Oct 28, 2017
1,340
The alt right and nazis are using technology to fight and spread chaos. Why aren't the left fighting back with their own technology? Me, I don't have the skills, but I refuse to believe everyone on the left are as incompetent as me. It just surprises me that we're just sitting here and not fighting back. We can use the same technology that they're using.

We can use bots and spread real information among their own base. We can do everything they can if there are enough people banning together with a goal and a direction. Twitter bots to ruin their conversations. Bots to drown out their voices. There's so much we can do!

As a democrat, I'm extremely competent when it comes to tech (it's my job) compared to the average person. I've considered using my abilities to serve the cause, but I've been at a loss as to how exactly. I work full time and have a family, so my time to contribute is limited. Maybe what we need to make this happen is some kind of organization or group that could band together resources to make this kind of thing work.

Maybe we should start a gofundme or something? Idk...
 

GrooveCommand

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Oct 28, 2017
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honestly if people are dumb enough to fry their brain on facebook and then vote i'd rather just lose than set up troll farms and such as a counter punch

but ultimately i'd say no, "the left" is very tech savvy, a big factor that gave us two terms of obama. but the medium isn't always guaranteed to work in your favor

Yeah but.. we need to do something to counter the Russians. We all know the Republicans aren't going to be doing anything of that sort.. someone has to do it!
 

adamsappel

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Oct 27, 2017
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I wonder why there isn't better grassroots political advertising. Literally, every day there is something out of the Trump administration that would have sunk any other presidency; I'm worried that we will have forgotten half of them by the time the "professional" political advertisement season rolls around. YouTube should be filled with amateur videos highlighting these transgressions (maybe it is, but I'm talking 30-second viral videos, not blog/podcast rants).