-
Ever wanted an RSS feed of all your favorite gaming news sites? Go check out our new Gaming Headlines feed! Read more about it here.
God of War (2018) Feels Hampered & Incomplete
- Thread starter DmckPower
- Start date
So are you going to bring up anything interesting to the discussion or just be that snarky guy?
MGS V is incomplete, but the game is not BAD.
So no it's not always.
Had the same thoughts as the op. Game builds up to an awesome last half, but then it just ends. Needed more variety in the enemy types and more bosses.
Just because someone says, "In my opinion" and posits it as criticism, doesn't make their opinion immune to criticism. Especially when they start off with a bunch of hyperbole and a title that they can't fully support.
That's nonsense. This message board isn't the OP's personal diary where he can write whatever he wants and not be challenged on it.
I don't share your opinion. I think it's an amazing game and I platinumed it, which I rarely do. One of the greats.
That said, I have to admit that it did feel like they had to cut certains corners to get the game out in a reasonable amount of time.
The trolls are indeed rather repetitive and they do not make up for a general lack of proper boss fights. It feels like they were put in to make up for that lack of boss fights, because it would've taken up too much time and resources to do more boss fights on the same scale as for example the
is nothing more than a square dungeon with randomized rooms. I think it was creative how they integrated this design choice into the lore of the game, but it did feel to me like they had to come up with this solution in order to safe on time and resources, compared to fleshing it out as a fully realised area.
- Same goes for
where they again thought up a believable lore reason as to why this area is just all
possibly to save up on designing it to it's fullest extend.
- In case of
Cory actually said himself (on Easy Allies Spoiler Mode) that they sadly had to cut a lot of content from that area to get the game out in a reasonable amount of time.
So yeah, I do think they had to cut some significant corners. Despite that though, they still managed to put out an absolutely amazing experience. Which is truly commendable. Also, just in terms of pacing, it might actually have been the better choice to cut the corners they did, so they could keep the overall experience more condensed and engaging that way.
That said, I have to admit that it did feel like they had to cut certains corners to get the game out in a reasonable amount of time.
The trolls are indeed rather repetitive and they do not make up for a general lack of proper boss fights. It feels like they were put in to make up for that lack of boss fights, because it would've taken up too much time and resources to do more boss fights on the same scale as for example the
mountain dragon
Niflheim
- Same goes for
Muspelheim
arena fights
- In case of
Alfheim
So yeah, I do think they had to cut some significant corners. Despite that though, they still managed to put out an absolutely amazing experience. Which is truly commendable. Also, just in terms of pacing, it might actually have been the better choice to cut the corners they did, so they could keep the overall experience more condensed and engaging that way.
Go read the first page and tell me where's the valid criticism, be real, OP is actually replying and following the discussion instead of leaving the thread and act like a "troll".
A post that says nothing? Ok, I can tell this thread is going to be just like every Naughty Dog/The Last of Us thread, where people come with their hyperbolic criticism of "narrative driven games", and have no actual desire to discuss in good faith. Not worth it.
I dunno why some of those drive by posts akin to "lol nice troll" aren't moderated/warned, when the OP clearly put effort/time into his post.
(Your not doing it but)
There's a difference between challenging an opinion and being dismissive. Like their some uncultured toad.
I don't think you're making your point clear. Something incomplete makes the end product worse, but it doesn't necessarily mean the end product is "bad". I didn't play MGS V, but I'd imagine the game would be better if it want incomplete, as you say. As such, a game being or feeling incomplete is a bad thing.
Whether someone feels that is the case is up to the individual. I think people are just taken aback between the intensity and harshness of his opinions of the game and the review score.
A post that says a lot, talking about ND games is OT and i don't want to derail the thread.
The usage of the "hyperbolic criticism" lol
Outside of some of his critiques having hyperbolic leans, they're perfectly valid within the frame of his opinion. You and others on the board are welcome to disagree..that's the beauty of opinions.
I will say that with certain games on reset, there can be an *overwhelming* defense force that swarm on people when they present a thought out OP like this. It's fine if you disagree, but have the decency to respond without immediately going knee-jerk. It just ain't worth it.
Even though I used to be excited about Era, I've never felt like the discussion was ever as good as GAF at it's height, unfortunately.
The only downsides I've nocticed are: lack of enemies veraity, lack of bosses and nothing big happens in story.
I didn't call the OP a troll? I'm directly addressing the points you made here where you are acting as if people can't accept criticism when the actual issue is something different.
I don't agree that it's hyper linear, but even if it was, why is that a criticism? We have many, many examples of great games with linear level design, I don't feel you've explained why you think linear levels are automatically a bad thing.
Also can people please stop using the phrase "hot take"? It's used far too excessively by people on this site. Try and be more original when you're basically just posting "I disagree".
Sure, some parts missing are a bad thing, but calling the whole game bad because there's something missing, ignoring all the good things, it's not right in my opinion.
Okay so, entire game spoilers coming up.
There's so much wrong with it that this will take a while.
1. Atreus being revealed as Loki is a Ready Player One moment. It's literally just a "you know the name the Loki so we'll drop it here!" God of War 4 has no interest in Norse mythology (as shown by Baldur having almost no connection to the character in the Norse myth) so the name "Loki" indicates almost nothing about what Atreus will do.
2. Confirmation of future time travel bullshit.
3. Throughout the entire game, Kratos has been criticized for not wanting to get involved to do the right thing. The ending frames itself as Kratos evolving as a person and being willing to involve himself to do the right thing... The shot that they do this in is Kratos killing a victim of severe child abuse.
This scene is like... really patriarchal as well. Baldur was ripped away from his ability to feel by his mother for a hundred years and she could have stopped his torture at any time but chose not to out of her selfishness. It's clearly horrible abuse that Baldur has gone through. But the game uses imagery of a man choking a woman to make Kratos killing this victim of child abuse seem better. Like, imagine if Baldur was a woman and Freya was a man... The Kratos neck snap scene would be going down as one of the worst scenes in the history of gaming. It relies 100% on the fact that Baldur is a scary looking dude and Freya is an innocent looking woman to cover up how creepy the ending is for framing itself as showing Kratos going through positive growth.
4. Why we're even fighting Baldur is bizarre, Freya can hold him off pretty well with her vines and her giant. Just leave.
5. Fuck this game, Kratos' wife did not fucking draw those yellow marks, some of those yellow marks were behind rocks back when she was alive. Fuck off, this was bullshit.
1. Atreus being revealed as Loki is a Ready Player One moment. It's literally just a "you know the name the Loki so we'll drop it here!" God of War 4 has no interest in Norse mythology (as shown by Baldur having almost no connection to the character in the Norse myth) so the name "Loki" indicates almost nothing about what Atreus will do.
2. Confirmation of future time travel bullshit.
3. Throughout the entire game, Kratos has been criticized for not wanting to get involved to do the right thing. The ending frames itself as Kratos evolving as a person and being willing to involve himself to do the right thing... The shot that they do this in is Kratos killing a victim of severe child abuse.
This scene is like... really patriarchal as well. Baldur was ripped away from his ability to feel by his mother for a hundred years and she could have stopped his torture at any time but chose not to out of her selfishness. It's clearly horrible abuse that Baldur has gone through. But the game uses imagery of a man choking a woman to make Kratos killing this victim of child abuse seem better. Like, imagine if Baldur was a woman and Freya was a man... The Kratos neck snap scene would be going down as one of the worst scenes in the history of gaming. It relies 100% on the fact that Baldur is a scary looking dude and Freya is an innocent looking woman to cover up how creepy the ending is for framing itself as showing Kratos going through positive growth.
4. Why we're even fighting Baldur is bizarre, Freya can hold him off pretty well with her vines and her giant. Just leave.
5. Fuck this game, Kratos' wife did not fucking draw those yellow marks, some of those yellow marks were behind rocks back when she was alive. Fuck off, this was bullshit.
It's mostly 3 though.
You're going to take a lot of heat, but I agree with nearly everything except Baldur being a "shallow" villain. The problem with Baldur is that there isn't a enough of him. I can agree with nearly everything else.
That I can agree with, Baldur was a really well executed villain. He just chewed up every scene he was in.
Where did i say i can't accept critcism? I'm talking about people here not accepting criticism labelling the OP as a troll and calling this whole thread a "hot take" or "hyperbole".
I have important things to do and i'm done with this discussion.
User warned: personal attacks
It's time of the day where the OP needs some attention. Shitting on one of the best game of the generation by critical scores as well as having the highest user score of any game this generation will get you alot of wanted attentions.
I didn't say you couldn't accept criticism...
Holy shit. Go back and reread the conversation.
Things I didn´t like just like the OP:
. Climbing. Sony devs need to do something not to make climbing feel so bad and useless in their first party games.
. Trolls, trolls and more trolls.
. Boss battles. Okay, there was a lack of boss battles... and I really liked the one against the brothers, but the one with Baldur seemed way too scripted and cinematic to me, I never knew if I was in control or not. The one against the dragon was just bad.
. The rock mini-boss where you throw rocks back at him was very dumb and stupid. Looked like a mechanics from the 2000s.
. Game just takes away control for you a lot, which is a pain in the ass in this type of game. When Kratos jumps from the mountain to go after his son and Baldur it would be amazing if you did that, if you climbed on the back of the beast and somehow fought Baldur there. Instead, this is basically a Quick time event fight... which might fit a game like that, but I am just tired of this cinematic approach.
I wouldn´t be surprised if TLOU2 played the same way as GoW and had small hubs and was semi open-world as well, by the way. Seems to do well with critics and the public, but I´m just tired of it.
. Climbing. Sony devs need to do something not to make climbing feel so bad and useless in their first party games.
. Trolls, trolls and more trolls.
. Boss battles. Okay, there was a lack of boss battles... and I really liked the one against the brothers, but the one with Baldur seemed way too scripted and cinematic to me, I never knew if I was in control or not. The one against the dragon was just bad.
. The rock mini-boss where you throw rocks back at him was very dumb and stupid. Looked like a mechanics from the 2000s.
. Game just takes away control for you a lot, which is a pain in the ass in this type of game. When Kratos jumps from the mountain to go after his son and Baldur it would be amazing if you did that, if you climbed on the back of the beast and somehow fought Baldur there. Instead, this is basically a Quick time event fight... which might fit a game like that, but I am just tired of this cinematic approach.
I wouldn´t be surprised if TLOU2 played the same way as GoW and had small hubs and was semi open-world as well, by the way. Seems to do well with critics and the public, but I´m just tired of it.
I disagree with you on almost every point OP
and therefore I award the game one more point
9/10
and therefore I award the game one more point
9/10
He's in four scenes and is a cartoon villain in all of them despite his incredibly tragic backstory. He's one of the worst written villains I've ever seen.
There is a serious lack of good constructive conversation on this forum especially about critically acclaimed games.
Your entire post is an unnecessary ad hominem attack on the OP, but this pat in particular made me chuckle. Ah, yes, user scores, paragons of unfiltered, objective opinion that they are.
Amazing combat system, weapons, and upgrades. Satisfying as hell.
Story was outstanding
Lots of things to do after beating the main story, specifically going after the very hard Valkyries
New Game + soon
One of my favorite games this gen.
Story was outstanding
Lots of things to do after beating the main story, specifically going after the very hard Valkyries
New Game + soon
One of my favorite games this gen.
Nah, it was as full as it should have been. Musalheim and Niflheim were good to add length to those who cared, not that I give much of a toss.
Not that I disagree with your observations, they seem pretty accurate, but they're the kinda stuff that'd get me on a second playthrough, and not the first, and I'm not planning on doing one so it's all cool for me!
I'm hoping the sequel gets more big bosses, big moments, and perhaps more side characters, but I reckon the settings it'll go to will be more aligned with that. The sparsity of the world I think helped keep the kratos/Atreus story as the focus which I think was the most important part. The next one can focus on adolescence, and again play with that theme of how much of Kratos the kid will inherit, which I think is gonna need huge set pieces to give the comparison justice.
Man I haven't been this preinvested in a sequel for a while now I think about it! 3/4 years to go I guess...
Not that I disagree with your observations, they seem pretty accurate, but they're the kinda stuff that'd get me on a second playthrough, and not the first, and I'm not planning on doing one so it's all cool for me!
I'm hoping the sequel gets more big bosses, big moments, and perhaps more side characters, but I reckon the settings it'll go to will be more aligned with that. The sparsity of the world I think helped keep the kratos/Atreus story as the focus which I think was the most important part. The next one can focus on adolescence, and again play with that theme of how much of Kratos the kid will inherit, which I think is gonna need huge set pieces to give the comparison justice.
Man I haven't been this preinvested in a sequel for a while now I think about it! 3/4 years to go I guess...
Fully agree with this. Having the whole story never having direct involvement with any of the more better known nordic gods made it feel like one giant prologue.
When I realized that Baldur was the final boss my reaction was "wait, that's it??".
The game is not bad but it is far far far worse off considering it's 2/3 of a game, so yes incomplete is a negative term that can equate to bad.
Bullshit. I've been saying Uncharted 4 and Witcher 3 are crap since release. The negative opinions are just drowned in the overwhelming praise.
Similarly, there were people disappointed in this game in the OT, but these posts were easily ignored when you had so much activity, mostly positive.
And considering how many people disagree with the OP, you can see that the ratio didn't change at all.
Your favorite game is shit, too.
Wait, is your favorite game P5 or Breath of the Wild?
Ah, it's shit either way.
The amount of people in here coming at the OP with drivebys instead of adressing the plentifuly points he brought to the discussion...wow.
I would disagree with Brok, Sindri and Mimir, OP. Great writing.
The fact alone he doesn't think the game is as good as others do or that people read frustration into it is hyperbole?
I would disagree with Brok, Sindri and Mimir, OP. Great writing.
Niflheim was a bit better but yeah, really disappointing locations overall.
How are any if his points hyperbole? Or his 8/10?
The fact alone he doesn't think the game is as good as others do or that people read frustration into it is hyperbole?
Muspelheim and Niflheim were definitely low points intended to artificially add length to the game. I would just turn on a podcast when grinding those out. At least in Niflheim you can convert resources into what you needed, but you gotta re-do the trials to get 3 keys for a chance to get some greater ember or whatever it was to fully upgrade the Ivaldi's armor. After the second Surtur challenge where I had to not take damage and kill 35 enemies,I gave up since it wasn't worth my time.
I think the story feels incomplete even as a ~personal tale~ of father and son. Some of the plot beats are rushed and underdeveloped while its ending undermines so much of what it went for by blatantly setting up for a sequel. Its story pacing basically falls off a cliff after the big story moment.
'Well what did you expect?' I can acknowledge a game is gonna sell millions of copies and generate sequels while also critiquing the content of the game itself. They could have handled that better.
'Well what did you expect?' I can acknowledge a game is gonna sell millions of copies and generate sequels while also critiquing the content of the game itself. They could have handled that better.