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harry the spy

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I am glad they kept Ashford alive and not a complete scumbag. I actually really like the character and you could tell the writers had to stretch his character a bit to make him the antagonist in the last episode. If you could remove his freakout (shooting his friend, ordering to shoot Holden and friends, etc.), he was actually one of the most level-headed character on the show. Even his reason for blowing up the ring makes sense (even though it's foolish to take the risk). Great dynamic with the best character in the show, too (drummer obv.)
His accent is a ton of fun too.

Holden is still a bore, but just like Miller, we need a ride, so i guess he does fit that role. He is like raiden in mgs2.
 

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are there other life encunters in any of the books? looking at the picture posted in the previous page when Holden gets that flash of light i see like a cat figure lol

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Lonestar

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Yeah, I don't know if it's one or more galaxies. Not really important, the other part is.

the builders didn't just make gates for any old systems, but systems with at least one "habitable" world. Earth was why they launched the protomolecule into the system. So now you're looking at 1000+ earths. This fact presents an interesting thought going forward of "what about Mars?"
 

Einchy

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Two things that I find out that were never brought up again was the time the Roci's name was changed to 'Pinus Contorta' and then it just went back to being the Roci. Also, and please don't reply to this if you've read the books, but it's weird how they made it a point to show that some protomolecule was inside the Roci and then...nothing. By the time the ring showed up, the protomolecule just kinda seemed like a plotpoint that was no longer relevant and that seems to be even more the case with the ending of season 3.

Maybe it'll be relevant to season 4 but as of now it just seems like a plotline that was abandoned.

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I get why the name was changed but it was directed like it was an important moment and the Roci's name was going to change but apparently they just changed it back off screen. It's a bit odd.
 
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Two things that I find out that were never brought up again was the time the Roci's name was changed to 'Pinus Contorta' and then it just went back to being the Roci. Also, and please don't reply to this if you've read the books, but it's weird how they made it a point to show that some protomolecule was inside the Roci and then...nothing. By the time the ring showed up, the protomolecule just kinda seemed like a plotpoint that was no longer relevant and that seems to be even more the case with the ending of season 3.

Maybe it'll be relevant to season 4 but as of now it just seems like a plotline that was abandoned.
I believe the protomolecule was how 'miller' was able to contact Holden
 

Parch

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Good finale. Stating the obvious, but it's not surprising that it feels like a sci-fi book series. So many good sci-fi novels should get a similar TV opportunity. Friggin' Star Trek dominated the TV channels too much throughout history when there has been plenty of other quality sci-fi worthy of a shot.

I really like The Expanse, but I have to agree with others that Holden is the weak link. They should have cast somebody else because he's a bore and a really crappy actor. It's an important role that was miscast. Unfortunate that they can't just write him out of the show if they want to follow the books.

Other than that it's a great show. Good to get another season. I'm looking forward to it.
 

More_Badass

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Two things that I find out that were never brought up again was the time the Roci's name was changed to 'Pinus Contorta' and then it just went back to being the Roci. Also, and please don't reply to this if you've read the books, but it's weird how they made it a point to show that some protomolecule was inside the Roci and then...nothing. By the time the ring showed up, the protomolecule just kinda seemed like a plotpoint that was no longer relevant and that seems to be even more the case with the ending of season 3.

Maybe it'll be relevant to season 4 but as of now it just seems like a plotline that was abandoned.

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I get why the name was changed but it was directed like it was an important moment and the Roci's name was going to change but apparently they just changed it back off screen. It's a bit odd.
The protomolecule in the ship was how the Ring station was able to communicate with Holden. It was essentially wirelessly transmitting through that remnant.
 

Quinton

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Just finished watching it and goosebumps after goosebumps. I felt it was a tad rushed (perhaps because I was cognizant that the show had been cancelled by this point). I really hope all the OG writers, directors and actors stay for when the production starts again for 4th season on Amazon.

Honestly, it's hard to watch other space sci-fi shows that don't follow the laws of physics. Aside from sound in space, almost everything else can be based in our current understanding of physical laws.

Now, I am wondering whether I should read/listen to the entire series or just stick to the tv shows. Do they diverge significantly and is the series as a whole concluded in the books?

They're already writing season 4. Shooting for it starts in September. The whole crew is back, in front of the camera and behind it. The network switch doesn't really mess things up at all for anyone because it's an Alcon show no matter where it gets shopped around to. So we're good. :)
 

Lonestar

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They're already writing season 4. Shooting for it starts in September. The whole crew is back, in front of the camera and behind it. The network switch doesn't really mess things up at all for anyone because it's an Alcon show no matter where it gets shopped around to. So we're good. :)
Well, I know they lost 2 writers, due to the waiting for Amazon pickup, including Georgia Lee, who wrote some good episodes including the Mutiny episode, and the episode where Holden/Miller go to the station (and then bad shit happens). She's joined the staff on The 100.

But as usual, helps having the 2 Author's also on the writing staff.
 

Quinton

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Well, I know they lost 2 writers, due to the waiting for Amazon pickup, including Georgia Lee, who wrote some good episodes including the Mutiny episode, and the episode where Holden/Miller go to the station (and then bad shit happens). She's joined the staff on The 100.

But as usual, helps having the 2 Author's also on the writing staff.

Oh! I had no idea. Well, heck. But still, that's not too bad all things considered.
 

SpartyCrunch

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I believe the protomolecule was how 'miller' was able to contact Holden
This is how I understand it too, but I hope it doesn't end up coming back and being a problem again. It would be annoying if the show basically ignores the protomolecule on the Roci for an entire season except for it being used to have Miller communicate, only for it to conveniently end up becoming a massive problem at the worst possible time later.
 

DieH@rd

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In addition to a bit different flow of events and way more details, the scale of events in the book is much larger. For example, events on Eros were public knowledge from the start, and the entire solar system was fucking terrified of it. Show downscaled not only events and sizes of involved people, but also rearanged things so that it would be cheaper to film.

IMO, books are better, but TV show is doing its best to not break the bank.
 

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Season 3 strayed the furthest thus far and imo was hit and miss on the changes. The narrative was a lot stronger overall (turning Ashford into an actual character helps a lot), but I feel the plot worked better with the way the book played out.

To be fair to the show though I think they changed as much as they did simply because they wanted to wrap up the first trilogy and sped through it due to fears of cancellation. Books 1+2 were a like a season and a half each, while book 3 was...half a season lol...

From here on out I hope we don't have to deal with that as much.
 
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This is how I understand it too, but I hope it doesn't end up coming back and being a problem again. It would be annoying if the show basically ignores the protomolecule on the Roci for an entire season except for it being used to have Miller communicate, only for it to conveniently end up becoming a massive problem at the worst possible time later.
The protomolecule has already fulfilled its purpose so surely it wouldn't grow wildly and consume everything.
 
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On a side note I'll be slightly disappointed that we'll be getting a season dump instead of weekly releases. I find it harder to discuss shows when they drop all the eps at once.
 

Hey Please

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In addition to a bit different flow of events and way more details, the scale of events in the book is much larger. For example, events on Eros were public knowledge from the start, and the entire solar system was fucking terrified of it. Show downscaled not only events and sizes of involved people, but also rearanged things so that it would be cheaper to film.

IMO, books are better, but TV show is doing its best to not break the bank.
Season 3 strayed the furthest thus far and imo was hit and miss on the changes. The narrative was a lot stronger overall (turning Ashford into an actual character helps a lot), but I feel the plot worked better with the way the book played out.

To be fair to the show though I think they changed as much as they did simply because they wanted to wrap up the first trilogy and sped through it due to fears of cancellation. Books 1+2 were a like a season and a half each, while book 3 was...half a season lol...

From here on out I hope we don't have to deal with that as much.

Thanks folks. I hope that, with the injection on Amazon money, they can dream bigger.

Sounds like it's a good time to put that audible trial to good use.
 

Darkonda

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I think they did well with the TV cast, except that most of the main cast is a bit too young and pretty.

Don't Earthers and Martians have longer lifespans now? The guy, Nico that Bobbie met on Earth said he was 52 years old but the actor that plays him looks late 30-ish and that character was also living in extreme poverty lol
 
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dabig2

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Don't Earthers and Martians have longer lifespans now? The guy, Nico that Bobbie met on Earth said he was 52 years old but the actor that plays him looks late 30-ish that character was alsoliving in extreme poverty lol

Yep, 120+ years they said in an early episode. And that's the global average. Compared to today's global of ~70, that's basically an extra lifetime.

How old are Holden and Naomi in the show and books? Being that she's a belter, he could conceivably be a decade+ older than she is despite both looking early 30-something.
 

Ignatz Mouse

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I'm pretty early in the first book, and I found a description of Miller that fits the way Thomas Jane played him perfectly: "His face was a constant mild apology."
 

Almagest

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Yep, 120+ years they said in an early episode. And that's the global average. Compared to today's global of ~70, that's basically an extra lifetime.

How old are Holden and Naomi in the show and books? Being that she's a belter, he could conceivably be a decade+ older than she is despite both looking early 30-something.
IIRC they start more or less the same but the time between books is much longer. By the beginning of book 4, I remember Holden reflecting on how he's getting older, nearing 40 I think.
 

Paganmoon

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pretty sure Holden is in his late 20's early 30's at most in the first book. So agewise, Holden works I think.
 

Htown

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just finished up this season

with one minor adjustment that would have been an okay place to leave off if the series was actually cancelled.
 

KrigareN-

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Just finished Season 3 and I really enjoyed it. There were concepts that I didn't really grasp, such as the changing speed limit, that might have limited my overall enjoyment of the last few episodes. I'll certainly have to rewatch the S3 soon.

And I agree with the others, the actor playing Holden is a clear weak link. I'm not too warm on Naomi's actress either. The casting of the main characters could've been soo much better, the only show where I've been slightly disappointed by casting. If not for that, I'd easily rank it above BSG.
 

iFirez

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I'm already deep into Season 2 (started watching the show 2 days ago) the binge is real! I've read the books so spoilers aren't a biggy for me but I really love how the show has adapted the books. Changes make sense and additions too. I'm finding myself loving Miller as a character much more too
(which isn't going to last much longer *sad face*)
I think it's the actor he just brings something to the role.

Anyway, I can't wait to see how they do some of the book 3 events as that book was insane for me when I first was reading it. Also I loved books 4 and 7 (maybe that last one because I read it recently) so I'm very excited to see how they adapt those, especially if Amazon keeps the budgets high and seasons flowing! My only worry is that they ask the show to wrap things up next season or in one more after because it means we'll miss all those later books stories and the 2 final books stories that aren't released yet.
 
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