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More_Badass

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Oct 25, 2017
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If the next movie features a subplot of that girl struggling with a Fly-esque transformation into a raptor hybrid, that would not seem out of place

Also she'll be the only one who can communicate with Blue to stop the suburban massacre that is undoubtably about to occur based on that last scene
 

Bengraven

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Oct 26, 2017
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Goddamn this was the best shot Jurassic Park since the Spielberg ones. I want Bayona back.

Fun as hell, less cringe than the last three.

Easily my second favorite.
 

Tom Nook

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Oct 25, 2017
15,789
Jurassic Park - Adaptation (and improvement of) classic novel

The Lost World - Kinda bad Adaptation of kinda bad JP novel

JP3 - Some leftover residue from JP novels, and bad fanfic

JW - Bad fanfic, adaptation of the JP Chaos Effect action figure line

JW2 - Shittiest fanfic and shittiest aspects of the Chaos Effect toyline

JW3: Megaton shitfire fanfic(????) (no island or park now), adaptation of Dino Riders??????

This better be JW3:

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or GTFO!
 
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WhiteRabbitEXE
Oct 25, 2017
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Am I crazy or is Chris Pratt kinda bad in both movies?
In the first one it was awkward because the role was very obviously not written to his strengths (the original casting of Brolin made a lot more sense), as he often has to play it completely straight in a way that's kind hard to take seriously from him.

Fallen Kingdom's script is all over the place, and basically sends him back and forth between what he was doing in World and something more jocular, so he's really inconsistent.

Through it all I think he has some good moments here and there in this movie though (I actually kinda like the "you made me come here" bit) particularly when he's not being told to live action QWOP away from lava.
 
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WhiteRabbitEXE
Oct 25, 2017
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If the next movie features a subplot of that girl struggling with a Fly-esque transformation into a raptor hybrid, that would not seem out of place

Also she'll be the only one who can communicate with Blue to stop the suburban massacre that is undoubtably about to occur based on that last scene
When I walked out of the theatre I joked that Lockwood had an incomplete genome of OG Maisie and filled the gene sequence gaps with raptor DNA, and that in JW3 she would embrace her half-raptor side to lead a dino revolution.

There's about an 80% chance Trevorrow writes that.

Either that or it's frog again and she becomes the Amazing Frog Woman in the spin-off Maisie: A Jurassic World Story.
 

Burly

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Oct 25, 2017
5,076
Visual references. It's okay to sometimes uses an iconic pose or visual to pay homage to a previous film, but for the last 20 mins of the movie it was like they were trying to be as unoriginal as possible. It went beyond tacky to just absurd.

Remember rebooting the door locks?
Remember when the raptor jumped through the plate glass window?
Remember when they hid behind a low wall, while the raptor slowly stalked them?
Remember when the girl was trying to pull down the dumb waiter door?
Remember when the raptor got kicked onto some spikes?
Remember when the T-rex does it's classic roar pose?
 

More_Badass

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Oct 25, 2017
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It's almost poetic that what might be Spielberg's most iconic blockbusters were both constructed around and elevated by their special effects limitations. Jaws' animatronic issues led to the movie's Hitchcock-inspired suspense and only using the shark itself for precise effect. While Jurassic Park's combination of computer-melting early CGI and fussy animatronics, along with the plot-driven desire to wow audiences with the imagery of seeing dinosaurs for the first time, led to a similarly Hitchcockian approach to revealing the dinosaurs and staging suspense sequences.

So in many ways, that collision of limitations and effects milestone makes the continuing failures of the Jurassic Park sequels pretty understandable. The first movie was a cinematic moment that could never be replicated again, a film deliberately designed around the characters and audiences in sync through their awe of seeing dinosaurs onscreen. The story and its themes hinged on that awe, that sense of wonder. But that was lightning in a bottle; you can't make audiences wonder and gasp at dinos for the first time again. Thus the only thing that remains is the terror and the action and the spectacle, and it's hard to do those properly if you're also trying to present the monsters as awe-inspiring natural wonders. You saw it in The Lost World, where the Rex was both a caring parent to be studied and a monster that comes back for revenge and goes on a city-wrecking rampage. Each Jurassic Park sequel leaned further and further in that direction until you get to the cinematic mess that is Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom.

Even Jurassic World tried to present the dinosaurs as animals, but Fallen Kingdom sheds all of that. It may state those ideas but they're only surface level, shades of themes that the movie's schlocky plot only uses for nostalgic moments. Fallen Kingdom is a monster movie; you could replace the dinosaurs with alien fauna and nothing would change. The Indoraptor is practically an Alien Resurrection-style Xenomorph with a different skin.

Fallen Kingdom isn't solely without merit. Chris Pratt is more likable this time around, Bryce Dallas Howard has a role that fits the plot instead of feeling like she's there for exposition and to connect plot-lines. A lot of the imagery is cool or clever, especially with the use of lighting and shadow during some scenes. The movie wastes no time racing to the action; the opening sequence was actually my favorite part of the movie.

But beyond that? Fallen Kingdom is a mess. The plot is complete schlock, especially a last-second twist that could be seen from a mile away and is only there to allow the finale's nonsensical sequel set-up to occur. None of the characters are interesting in the slightest, the villains are cardboard cutouts and walking tropes, the humor never lands, and the dinosaurs kind of take a backseat action-wise for a franchise once called Jurassic Park in favor of what is essentially cat-and-mouse with a xenomorph.

The whole Blue plotline feels so forced and the thing never even feels like it's a velociraptor. At least in World, the movie established that they were still dangerous animals that were trained but not domesticated, along with an action scene that showed that these were still vicious pack hunters. Blue's sideplot in Fallen Kingdom comes complete with a scene about how it has empathy and a young raptor nudging a whimpering Chris Pratt like a puppy.

It will be interesting to see where the franchise goes now, because whatever comes next is going to so far removed from anything that once resembled Jurassic Park
 

More_Badass

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Oct 25, 2017
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Visual references. It's okay to sometimes uses an iconic pose or visual to pay homage to a previous film, but for the last 20 mins of the movie it was like they were trying to be as unoriginal as possible. It went beyond tacky to just absurd.

Remember rebooting the door locks?
Remember when the raptor jumped through the plate glass window?
Remember when they hid behind a low wall, while the raptor slowly stalked them?
Remember when the girl was trying to pull down the dumb waiter door?
Remember when the raptor got kicked onto some spikes?
Remember when the T-rex does it's classic roar pose?
OMG, this too. It was so blatant, especially the "pulling down the door as a raptor charges" and "rebooting the power"
 

Nepenthe

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Oct 25, 2017
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This movie is so fucking stupid. Mildly entertaining, but so fucking stupid.

"Should we just let them die?!"

YES. YES, YOU SHOULD.

"Do you want our children to grow up in a world without dinosaurs?!"

LIKE EVERY OTHER HUMAN BEING TO EVER LIVE?

"But extinction--"

JUST MAKE MORE.

AND STOP MAKING THE LARGE CARNIVOROUS ONES AS SMART AS HUMANS.

Make a fucking Compy park for the kids.

Jesus.
 

BobLablow

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Apr 18, 2018
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Am I the only one that kept waiting for the "revelation" that Maisie was the cloned daughter of Lex?

She "hacked" into the elevator, she climbed around the mansion well (line in the original JP talking about how Lex isn't afraid to climb", plus other "call back" scenes between the two.

Of course, there's also huge implications that she's part raptor too, so who the hell knows.
 

More_Badass

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Oct 25, 2017
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This movie is so fucking stupid. Mildly entertaining, but so fucking stupid.

"Should we just let them die?!"

YES. YES, YOU SHOULD.

"Do you want our children to grow up in a world without dinosaurs?!"

LIKE EVERY OTHER HUMAN BEING TO EVER LIVE?

"But extinction--"

JUST MAKE MORE.

AND STOP MAKING THE LARGE CARNIVOROUS ONES AS SMART AS HUMANS.

Make a fucking Compy park for the kids.

Jesus.
Maisie being a clone could have been interesting. By the end, it was clear that the only reason it was happened was so she could free the dinosaurs in the end. Because it makes no sense to release them and no one else was going to do it

"Because they're alive. Like me"

That girl will have the blood of hundreds on her hands. That poor suburb at the end
 

ghostmind

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Oct 25, 2017
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The lava parts were too dumb for words. My brain left my body for the rest of the movie and I just watched in a stupor.
 

More_Badass

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Oct 25, 2017
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The lava part was too dumb for words. My brain left my body for the rest of the movie and I just watched in a stupor.
The slapstick humor of him flopping around and over the log came out of nowhere and then there was never anything else like that in the movie again. It was so jarring even among everything else

Well, okay, maybe the indoraptor doing a little fourth-wall-breaking wink and a smile surpassed that
 
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WhiteRabbitEXE
Oct 25, 2017
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The slapstick humor of him flopping around and over the log came out of nowhere and then there was never anything else like that in the movie again. It was so jarring even among everything else

Well, okay, maybe the indoraptor doing a little fourth-wall-breaking wink and a smile surpassed that
It was fucking bizarre. Like, there were several parts in the movie were I was just like "why", but nothing prepared me for live action JURASSIQWOP. Especially considering it's immediately surrounded by the hero dino getting shot to hell, a kidnapping, the majority of the protagonists getting left to their deaths, and the entire island exploding.

Could have had a neat moment with a dinosaur rescuing him, as it ties into the themes well enough (especially the whole EMPATHY EMPATHY EMPATHY thing, and of course the debate about whether the animals deserve to live) and there actually are several cases of wild animals rescuing other animals, humans included, but instead there was just that random... I don't even know with the sinoceratops.

Re: the last line - you mean Stiggy? Because Stiggy does wink at the camera, but I don't recall the Indo doing that.
 

More_Badass

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Oct 25, 2017
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It was fucking bizarre. Like, there were several parts in the movie were I was just like "why", but nothing prepared me for live action JURASSIQWOP. Especially considering it's immediately surrounded by the hero dino getting shot to hell, a kidnapping, the majority of the protagonists getting left to their deaths, and the entire island exploding.

Could have had a neat moment with a dinosaur rescuing him, as it ties into the themes well enough (especially the whole EMPATHY EMPATHY EMPATHY thing, and of course the debate about whether the animals deserve to live) and there actually are several cases of wild animals rescuing other animals, humans included, but instead there was just that random... I don't even know with the sinoceratops.

Re: the last line - you mean Stiggy? Because Stiggy does wink at the camera, but I don't recall the Indo doing that.
No, when the tooth necklace hunter guy decides that second right then is the perfect time to go into the cage to take an Indoraptor tooth. Indo is "sedated" but then it opens its eye and practically mugs for the camera. The audience is the only one who can see this. That scene has a literal Looney Toons segment of the tail rising up behind the hunter and then dropping before he turns around
 

KushalaDaora

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Oct 27, 2017
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The slapstick humor of him flopping around and over the log came out of nowhere and then there was never anything else like that in the movie again. It was so jarring even among everything else

Well, okay, maybe the indoraptor doing a little fourth-wall-breaking wink and a smile surpassed that


Inserting jokes in otherwise serious moment are the worst part of the movie for me (along with the 'thumbs up' sleeping T-Rex scene).

Re: the last line - you mean Stiggy? Because Stiggy does wink at the camera, but I don't recall the Indo doing that.

It's the scene where Indo tricks the old mercenary dude by playing dead.

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Watched the movie two weeks ago, and I just learned that the little girl is a clone yesterday from a review...
 

DemonCarnotaur

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Oct 25, 2017
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This movie is so fucking stupid. Mildly entertaining, but so fucking stupid.

"Should we just let them die?!"

YES. YES, YOU SHOULD.

"Do you want our children to grow up in a world without dinosaurs?!"

LIKE EVERY OTHER HUMAN BEING TO EVER LIVE?

"But extinction--"

JUST MAKE MORE.

AND STOP MAKING THE LARGE CARNIVOROUS ONES AS SMART AS HUMANS.

Make a fucking Compy park for the kids.

Jesus.

It's flabbergasting to me that the argument to save them wasn't simply empathy and animal rights

Like, it makes WAY more sense than all their weird jumbled kinda selfish sounding reasons
 

shinobi602

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Oct 24, 2017
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Just watched it and still enjoyed it for the most part. There's certainly quite a few dumb segments that stood out to me where I had to suspend my disbelief (even in a dinosaur movie, yes lol).

Like, initially when they got to the island and then grabbed Blue...the capture group just leaves Owen for dead lol. I was like 'wait what? Straight up murdering civilians out of nowhere'...

Still, I'm actually pretty excited to see where they take the third film now. Humans and dinos finally coexisting I guess? I want to see that.
 

DemonCarnotaur

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Oct 25, 2017
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Just watched it and still enjoyed it for the most part. There's certainly quite a few dumb segments that stood out to me where I had to suspend my disbelief (even in a dinosaur movie, yes lol).

Like, initially when they got to the island and then grabbed Blue...the capture group just leaves Owen for dead lol. I was like 'wait what? Straight up murdering civilians out of nowhere'...

Still, I'm actually pretty excited to see where they took the third film now. Humans and dinos finally coexisting I guess? I want to see that.
I like everything prior to that part, but then everything that follows on the island is enjoyably dumb and thrown together IMO

the movie regains its grips once on the Arcadia, but it certainly has its moments where I just check out

Blargh I wanted to love this film, and I really don't like it =(
 

duckroll

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Oct 25, 2017
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No, when the tooth necklace hunter guy decides that second right then is the perfect time to go into the cage to take an Indoraptor tooth. Indo is "sedated" but then it opens its eye and practically mugs for the camera. The audience is the only one who can see this. That scene has a literal Looney Toons segment of the tail rising up behind the hunter and then dropping before he turns around
There's definitely a number of weird humor scenes like that in the film. Chris Pratt comically avoiding getting lava'd comes to mind too.
 

DemonCarnotaur

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There's definitely a number of weird humor scenes like that in the film. Chris Pratt comically avoiding getting lava'd comes to mind too.
UGH

So that scene used to be different from my understanding. Owen would wake up dazed, the air filled with smoke and fire, and the Sinoceratops would nearly flatten him running from the encroaching lava. Dinosaurs were dead and dying, ash filled the air. The scene was dark, but realistic

and somehow

somehow they rewrote it and gave us that shit
 

Gigglepoo

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Oct 25, 2017
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In the first one it was awkward because the role was very obviously not written to his strengths (the original casting of Brolin made a lot more sense), as he often has to play it completely straight in a way that's kind hard to take seriously from him.

Fallen Kingdom's script is all over the place, and basically sends him back and forth between what he was doing in World and something more jocular, so he's really inconsistent.

Through it all I think he has some good moments here and there in this movie though (I actually kinda like the "you made me come here" bit) particularly when he's not being told to live action QWOP away from lava.

Yeah, I guess my take (after two movies) is that, even in a poorly written movie, a really charismatic actor should be able to elevate their performance. Tom Cruise, for example, is in a lot of middling movies that are entertaining because he's so damn good at what he does. I thought Pratt would be able to rise above a lousy script but he's just so bland in both of these movies. They could have replaced him with frickin' Sam Worthington and it wouldn't have been appreciably worse.
 

turtle553

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Oct 25, 2017
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I actively had to fight the urge to leave the theater over how dumb this movie was. This and JW1 had stupid park decisions like no double doors to the I-Rex enclosure or here with the Mosasaurus only having one huge door between it and the Ocean. This is technology mastered by every dog park ever made. They at least had one for the trucks to pass through.
 
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When I walked out of the theatre I joked that Lockwood had an incomplete genome of OG Maisie and filled the gene sequence gaps with raptor DNA, and that in JW3 she would embrace her half-raptor side to lead a dino revolution.

There's a short horror story from the 80s with that basic plot. Takes place on a space station/meteoroid.

Our Lady of the Sauropods.

It'd actually make an awesome found footage/dinosaur flick.

It's also the second story to involved clone dinosaurs and a T-Rex incident in San Diego decades before Jurassic Park existed.
 

The Driver

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Oct 25, 2017
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Huge JP stan.

This was wack.

Only thing worthwhile where the first 5 minutes and even then it's nearly botched by the over animated Rex and way too obvious CGI.

Mannnnnn, Colin Treverrow u fuccin hack.

Can't believe this dude has the keys to the next one too.

I hope after whatever the fuck JW3 ends up being that they shutter this series again or just go back and do a TV adaptation of the original or something. Imagine it taking you 3 years to cook up this weak shit.
 
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Antrax

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Oct 25, 2017
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I've liked all of these up to now, but this was super bad.

-Characterization was all over the place, for both humans and dinosaurs. Maisie (terrifically acted, I have to say) goes back and forth between terrified child and competent commando. Dinosaurs (especially the fake raptor) went from clumsy animals to Jason Voorhees-esque assassins).

-the environmental plot makes no sense without more cloning. Otherwise those 20 dinos are still the last ones. There's even only one left of a few species.

-the tooth obsessed guy didn't have to go into the cage to get that tooth. Also, super dumb

-Clone girl was a dumb choice

-Monologuing was off the charts. Dr. No would blush. Also, this series should drop the Philosophy 101 Bro speeches. Mills' were just so terrible. "Owen, you trained Blue to sit and stay. You had to know the next step was to turn her into a killing machine. So you're just as bad as me!"

Just, wow. I'd take the last one a dozen times before this one.
 

More_Badass

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Oct 25, 2017
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I've liked all of these up to now, but this was super bad.

-Characterization was all over the place, for both humans and dinosaurs. Maisie (terrifically acted, I have to say) goes back and forth between terrified child and competent commando. Dinosaurs (especially the fake raptor) went from clumsy animals to Jason Voorhees-esque assassins).

-the environmental plot makes no sense without more cloning. Otherwise those 20 dinos are still the last ones. There's even only one left of a few species.

-the tooth obsessed guy didn't have to go into the cage to get that tooth. Also, super dumb

-Clone girl was a dumb choice

-Monologuing was off the charts. Dr. No would blush. Also, this series should drop the Philosophy 101 Bro speeches. Mills' were just so terrible. "Owen, you trained Blue to sit and stay. You had to know the next step was to turn her into a killing machine. So you're just as bad as me!"

Just, wow. I'd take the last one a dozen times before this one.
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Oct 25, 2017
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I was so bored by this movie and every action set piece, and the script was terrible; so many loose ends and things that amount to nothing. I feel blindsided by how bad this was, especially compared to the previous film which was also terrible.

Only thing that will make me bother with the third one is if someone confirms to me that Chris Pratt's character fucks the velociraptor that he's in love with and has more chemistry with than any of the human characters (who, do they even have names?).
 

crimsonECHIDNA

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Went and saw this at AMC earlier today. Did a double feature of this and Incredibles 2. This movie was dumb as hell. Like, so bad it's funny kind of dumb. lol
 

Antrax

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Oct 25, 2017
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especially compared to the previous film which was also terrible.

I think there are problems with JW, but at least it feels competently written and made. Characters do what they do in a way that follows a logical process (yes, the CEO flying a helicopter is silly, but they established he can do that and is a bit cocky. That kinda thing). But this one just felt so bizarre; I feel like 3 writers were fighting and refused to talk to each other except through post-it note messages, so they were writing 3 different movies entirely.
 

crimsonECHIDNA

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Okay real talk, I was kind of that asshole in the theater who was the only one cracking up at the scene of the island slowly panning away as the last dinosaur gets caught up in the eruption. Like, it was so damn melodramatic that I could not take it seriously.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I think there are problems with JW, but at least it feels competently written and made. Characters do what they do in a way that follows a logical process (yes, the CEO flying a helicopter is silly, but they established he can do that and is a bit cocky. That kinda thing). But this one just felt so bizarre; I feel like 3 writers were fighting and refused to talk to each other except through post-it note messages, so they were writing 3 different movies entirely.
Eh. I'd probably have to sit and rewatch JW to comment on it in more detail, but of the things I remember that I thought were bad or handled terribly, the final set piece felt cheesy and not "cool" like I assume was intended (there is a long shot that pans around the dinosaurs as they fight which is just goofy), but a lot of it was the script rather than the kind of flat and mediocre direction of the material. The character interactions are wooden, some are severely underwritten, and lots of convenience of convenience plotting. The thing that still bothers me is that segment where the kids fix the car on their own with clunky "REMEMBER WHEN WE SPENT THAT SUMMER FIXING THE CAR WE CAN DO IT NOW IN ONLY AN HOUR!" right after they do a nostalgic field trip through the first film's iconography that deadens the pace of the movie like the tacked on Avengers stuff in a lot of the early Marvel movies (Iron Man 2 in particular). And, when the film was in production and the story beats came out, I felt like I was the only one excited for it because the idea of the park working so well that people got bored and needed a new super dinosaur was so stupid that it could have been amazing.

JW:FK is just bizarre in how broken it is. In a way, it kind of reminded me of the recent-ish film Noah where its final act is almost a slasher movie where Noah is trying to murder someone on the boat (this is the honest to goodness truth if you haven't seen that movie) except that movie was interesting in what it was trying to do and competently written for what it was. Here, the eco stuff is inconsistent and counter to a lot of what actually happens in real life with environmental groups. I mean, The Lost World's environmental message makes more sense. Important things are just glossed over or not commented upon by the characters (why did no one take issue or surprise that they were back in America with the dinosaurs?). Like with the first one, I can actually get behind some of the ideas it is going for, but it is just so sloppily written that it spoils everything. And, like basic research isn't even being done for the script. One hundred million dollars isn't going to be a drop in the bucket for the research they're trying to do in the movie, and five million for a dinosaur? Ha!
 

Minthara

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Oct 25, 2017
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My fiancee wanted to go see this again and since we have Sinemia, we did. She really, really likes this movie (we did a marathon watch of the whole franchise prior to seeing Fallen Kingdom) and likes World 1 and World 2 a whole lot more than the original trilogy. I can see why too, she did not grow up with them like I did, and her entry point to the franchise to begin with was World. To her, the CGI in Jurassic Park 1 looks absolutely ancient (and it does, although it held up for a long time) and the plot was a little too plodding I think.

She doesn't remember much of Jurassic Park 2 and 3 (to the point where she didn't remember the Spinosaur) but she remembers all of World 1 and World 2.

I still love the original movie for what it is (although I do think it is inferior to the book) and Spielberg kind of bastardized some of my favorite Dinos. With that said, my personal favorite movie in the franchise remains 3 cause I love the Spinosaur and I embrace the pure camp territory of that film.

Upon a re-watch of Fallen Kingdom I kind of wish they dropped the Indoraptor. I like what it did, but when I was watching the movie earlier today I wanted more of the Baryonyx and Allosaurus, especially the Baryonyx after it was supposed to be the main villain in 3. I also found myself thinking they could have dropped the whole mansion plot into its own movie and left the island escape as its own movie and fleshed them both out more into full fledged movies. To me it would have made complete sense that the Dinos are brought to the sanctuary island at the end of World II and then World III would have dealt with assholes capturing them and trying to auction them. I can't decide if what we got instead was truly the best way to go with the narrative.

All that said, I still enjoyed The Lost World the least out of the 5 films (although I don't think its the worst directed, if that makes sense, to me that is World 1), especially since it is such a massive step down from the book for me.

I'm interested to see what World 3 brings, but hopefully Trevorrow gets the boot. From my perspective, Fallen Kingdom looks so much better than World and is directed so much better than World. Wish Bayona had full reign.
 

Addleburg

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Nov 16, 2017
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If you guys haven't watched JA Bayona's other films The Impossible or A Monster Calls, you really should. The scene with the dinosaur at the shoreline is a great representation of Bayona's style. He's excellent at combining spectacle with heartfelt emotion in a way that often comes off as cheesy when other directors do it.

FK was a slight step down from JW for me, though. The first third of the film was enjoyable, but I didn't go to a Jurassic Park/World film to watch a bunch of businessmen in an old house hold auctions. It becomes enjoyable again at the end when the dinosaurs escape, though.

Really wish someone else had written the script. Bayona deserves better than a Trevorrow screenplay. Still, I'm happy that the success of this film hopefully means he'll continue getting the funding to do more films like A Monster Calls.
 

Antrax

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Oct 25, 2017
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Eh. I'd probably have to sit and rewatch JW to comment on it in more detail, but of the things I remember that I thought were bad or handled terribly, the final set piece felt cheesy and not "cool" like I assume was intended (there is a long shot that pans around the dinosaurs as they fight which is just goofy), but a lot of it was the script rather than the kind of flat and mediocre direction of the material. The character interactions are wooden, some are severely underwritten, and lots of convenience of convenience plotting. The thing that still bothers me is that segment where the kids fix the car on their own with clunky "REMEMBER WHEN WE SPENT THAT SUMMER FIXING THE CAR WE CAN DO IT NOW IN ONLY AN HOUR!" right after they do a nostalgic field trip through the first film's iconography that deadens the pace of the movie like the tacked on Avengers stuff in a lot of the early Marvel movies (Iron Man 2 in particular). And, when the film was in production and the story beats came out, I felt like I was the only one excited for it because the idea of the park working so well that people got bored and needed a new super dinosaur was so stupid that it could have been amazing.

Right, I'm not saying that writing was necessarily good but it was consistent inside the movie's own narrative. Her nephews are plucky and smarter than they give off, so they do the scrappy thing and fix the car. It's not believable in the real world, but it's true enough in the movie.

In this movie, we've got:
1) A kid who is a commando sleuthing around secret labs, who then runs screaming and crying to her bed, then calmly leads Chris Pratt across ledges 4 stories up in a storm. (Maisie)
2) A master hunter who seems to be one move ahead of the main characters until he decides to get in the cage with a dinosaur he's never seen before after shooting it with his best guess at tranquilizers. (Tooth-Fetishist)
3) A bad guy who was clever enough to steal millions, if not billions, from his employer but not so clever as to put his secret lab/auction house anywhere but the basement of the employer he's robbing. (Mills(?))
4) An animal-loving tracker who argues against callously using animals as tools callously using animals as tools. (Owen)

Like, that's 8ish characters who would be fine on their own, but they smashed them into 4 people (and that's just off the top of my head). I'd argue in JW that most of the characters act in ways that make sense for the characters they are (the exception being Vincent D'Onofrio, the super smart tactician who didn't bother to check for raptors when he was just hanging around). This movie felt so strange to me to watch; in the 3rd act, I felt like I couldn't guess the motivation for anyone on screen except maybe Claire.

edit: Also, what's up with the shadowy faction(s)? JW seemed to be leading to actual militaries wanting the dinosaurs, but this movie's weird auction was more of a mob boss looking affair. And why is BD Wong making all the killer dinosaurs if he thinks they're dangerous and doesn't want people to make them? He doesn't seem to be held hostage, and in fact orders people around a fair bit. In JW he was fine with what he was doing (mocking the CEO for being shocked by the I. Rex), but here, he's all pissy about some people buying his raptor?
 
Oct 27, 2017
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This one was a very fucking stupid movie. None of the adults behave like one. The fact that Claire EVEN CONSIDERED to set free a bunch of animals that she has witnessed, now twice, that they are extremely difficult to control and the extent of the damage they can do, makes this movie go down the drain.

The 'Maisie is a clone' subplot is indeed interesting but I guess they are saving for the third (or fourth) one.

It has its funny moments but thats it.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I finished watching it with my parents at theater and my reaction wasn't impressed as mush as first Jurassic World, and my parents have similar reaction as well.

...Except one thing that hit me at home was when kid entered a dumbwaiter to escape from Indoraptor has similar scene from the original Jurassic Park, but not very outsmart as this one.

 

More_Badass

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Oct 25, 2017
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I finished watching it with my parents at theater and my reaction wasn't impressed as mush as first Jurassic World, and my parents have similar reaction as well.

...Except one thing that hit me at home was when kid entered a dumbwaiter to escape from Indoraptor has similar scene from the original Jurassic Park, but not very outsmart as this one.


The movie had tons of blatant nostalgia pandering moments like that. Moments like that usually don't stand out or bother me, but it was ridiculously distractingly blatant here. The dumbwaiter door. Rebooting the power at a bad time. Watching a mercenary operation from atop a cliff. A glass surface slowly cracking.
 
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WhiteRabbitEXE
Oct 25, 2017
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The movie had tons of blatant nostalgia pandering moments like that. Moments like that usually don't stand out or bother me, but it was ridiculously distractingly blatant here. The dumbwaiter door. Rebooting the power at a bad time. Watching a mercenary operation from atop a cliff. A glass surface slowly cracking.
The thing is, I don't even think Trevorrow was just trying to nostalgia pander and overdid it. He had a quote about how he incorporated some dialog from the novels (I don't know for sure what that ended up being and how he felt so brilliant throwing it in, as if it instantly elevated his work, so I think he genuinely thought he had discovered some secret ingredient to brilliant film-writing - clumsily lumping in a bunch of random shit from prior works.

Going off his... I don't even know what the fuck thing about Book of Henry and Star Wars... probably safe to bet on it.
 

Joeytj

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Oct 30, 2017
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I'm on my phone and I don't want to write much, but I just the movie and geeeeeeeesh.

It's not the worst big blockbuster I've seen, but they really just wanted a way to get the dinos off the island and didn't care if what they came up with made much sense.

I agree some aspects are better than JW, mostly Claire, maybe Owen. There's some awesome scenes like the volcano escape. But overall, it's a mess of a movie that wastes time with suspense movie tropes that never work and it's predictable as hell.