Wow the colours on Crash Bandicoot HDR, with active, this is a good example :)
Waiting for pitch black to see how the darkest portions of games fare....
Waiting for pitch black to see how the darkest portions of games fare....
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Television Displays and Technology Thread: The ERA of OLED is Now
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its funny how RTINGS have been recommended Cinema Home since the firts C7 review but its seems that no one noticed xd
Fast :)
Real cinema off, I'm not sure it's 21ms, but it's close, feels nice.
Not for games. Their review state other modes are 63ms.
As I suspected, above blacks however slight are raised massively in a dark room, 50 brightness is out of the question, if you like blacks! 49 fixes it, with only a few shades of black up posing an issue, luckily most blacks in games are 0, but there are plenty that aren't.
No, it's the Cinema Home mode with True Cinema, Motion Plus etc turned off. Dynamic Contrast at Low.
Standard is brighter, but it's too bright for my tastes. Kills details in bright spots.
Read 2 posts above.
No it's Cinema Home, with real cinema turned off for HDR, and isf dark or bright for SDR (no PC)
It has the accurate picture of cinema, but brighter, with none of standard rubbish.
Yes, isf picture modes in SDR, again with TruMotion and Real Cinema off. You can now leave your input on HDMI and enjoy switching between SDR and HDR without changing things. Of course if you are watching movies, tv, or video apps you'll want to turn Real Cinema back on.
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Yes, it allows HDR wich I have already tried with Netflix and works fine.
Following your advice I bought a 2.0 cable and now the broken characters aren't happening if i set the chanel's device as a PC.
I have tried two games for now: Shadow of the Colossus and Assasins Creed Origins. Sadly, the image is still very washed out and plus it's darker. I 've tried to tweak some options but if the display is set as PC the TV doesn't allow a lot of options.
I haven't tried yet the RGB options ... I hope those aren`t some of the locked options in PC mode.
Thanks for the advice!
Just use the other isf SDR preset for real cinema on, most people will use Cinema user for HDR films, so it's just a case of using 4 presets, 2 for each.
Yeah, that works too. At least by just using another picture mode it's less menus to navigate through.
Jesus, that's enough testing lol, given me a banging headache! My take away is, many games look stunning with active and home, some scenes look better using game mode, and some look good with both in their own way, either way you're gonna get a great experience!
Highlights: First light, Crash Bandicoot, Gears 4 mostly, Assassins Creed mostly, and Horizon which did look fantastic, I have to say.
Far Cry 5 looked washed out to me, like it did when I tested it ages ago, thing is you're not gonna want (I'm not gonna want) to keep swapping between modes, you'll send yaself mad.
Highlights: First light, Crash Bandicoot, Gears 4 mostly, Assassins Creed mostly, and Horizon which did look fantastic, I have to say.
Far Cry 5 looked washed out to me, like it did when I tested it ages ago, thing is you're not gonna want (I'm not gonna want) to keep swapping between modes, you'll send yaself mad.
Ok, dont know is this is a placebo, but outside PC mode, using ISF in SDR games, l notice a couple of things:
- still think this is totally placebo but colors seems to be a little more "satured" than PC Mode, cant really test with naked eye but its give me this feel.
- Upscaling outside PC mode its A LOT better than PC on, for older consoles or nintendo Switch it can give a little bit of more PQ.
hell, even using PS4(who upscaling everytinhg to 4k) seems a more "clean" look in the image, l notice specially in older games.
the only dowsides its that we still dont know if the input lag its better(with measurements) and outside PC mode the tv upscale everyting to 4:2:2, this is really noticiable in tiny text or subs.
- still think this is totally placebo but colors seems to be a little more "satured" than PC Mode, cant really test with naked eye but its give me this feel.
- Upscaling outside PC mode its A LOT better than PC on, for older consoles or nintendo Switch it can give a little bit of more PQ.
hell, even using PS4(who upscaling everytinhg to 4k) seems a more "clean" look in the image, l notice specially in older games.
the only dowsides its that we still dont know if the input lag its better(with measurements) and outside PC mode the tv upscale everyting to 4:2:2, this is really noticiable in tiny text or subs.
I thought exactly the same about isf outside PC colours.....
You have color gamut set to auto and color set to 50, right?
Yeah, all calibrated, but now has me wondering if PC mode is fucked for SDR? But could be my imagination.
So this Cinema Home thing does feel legit. It's noticeably more laggy than Game Mode to me but definitely not nearly as sluggish as my Cinema and Technicolor HDR presets. I wouldn't want to use it for fighting games or faster paced action games but something like Horizon certainly feels playable at least.
EDIT - Extremely noticeable improvement moving from Cinema to Cinema Home in Ratchet & Clank. This is either legit or damn good placebo, lol.
EDIT - Extremely noticeable improvement moving from Cinema to Cinema Home in Ratchet & Clank. This is either legit or damn good placebo, lol.
I'm glad that helped! What I meant by RGB options was on the console, where you can set full or limited. Maybe the TV can too? Some TVs you have to set things manually, because for whatever reason their auto mode doesn't work right. When the settings are wrong things get really washed out, or color clipped. There was a thread on Resetera about this in november.
I saw this other solution on a quick google search, not sure if that helps and it's obviously a really temporary hack though. Good luck.
Does anyone know how to get this signal boosted in the TV community? People deserve to know about this and also we need the input lag actually tested even if it does feel fine.
Can use calibrated settings, plus you can choose your colour gamut, and not be forced into wide.
The places I've been visiting for firmware/settings discussion for these TVs are:
Ahhh fair enough - for some reason I prefer wide in gaming anyway - though can see why many dont.
After trying out Cinema Home for HDR gaming a lot this evening I take back what I said earlier - its a decent amount brighter than Game HDR mode and I think I prefer it now. Tried Mass Effect Andromeda, God of War, Gears of war 4
Agree about dropping brightness to 49 as otherwise many games show more grey than actual black.
Yea cinema definately lowers the input lag from around 65ms but no way it is 30ms....feels more like 35-45 seconds which is a drastic difference from 21ms and terrible for online shooters...Tried COD and felt sluggish right away...And yes I turned everything off....Games like God of War and Uncharted are fine but games like shooters or sports games that require timing like MLB is no bueno
Yeah Cinema is so nice with tru motion. It's okay with going straight forward but when you turn sideways is when things hit the fan.
It might be because Gears 4 has great input lag anyway, but it felt really good, and I had no problem topping the table in multi, it's obviously more noticeable with 30fps competitive multi, but no biggy as you can just use HDR game if you really need 21ms.
It's definitely not mid-40s. I was using it on my PC with a mouse.
Works for 2016 models as well.
On my C6 I'm now using ISF Dark for games. ISF Bright has the same settings aside from Real Cinema On.
Was switching from ISF Dark, Bright, and Game and lag is definitely between Game and ISF Bright. Enough that I'm not bothered by it.
On my C6 I'm now using ISF Dark for games. ISF Bright has the same settings aside from Real Cinema On.
Was switching from ISF Dark, Bright, and Game and lag is definitely between Game and ISF Bright. Enough that I'm not bothered by it.
You'd need a HD Fury Interger and a Bodnar to test
Cinema Home HDR lag..........
But I've been chatting to Simon from Leo Bodnar, and they've finally got a 4K tester launching in 2 months, with HDR support being patched in after.
Maybe the "Bognar" tester already does it!? Haha.
Feel like I should just buy a 65" 900e and call it a day. I don't know how much longer I can do the TV back and forth lol
I think the only criteria I'm definitive on is that I won't buy anything under 65" but then you get into 2k territory and do I really want to spend that much on a new TV? Plus my room set up really favors an OLED because of the viewing angles AND if I go LED I will need to wall mount and angle down about a mantelpiece. I can get away with plopping an OLED on the mantelpiece without mounting because of the superior horizontal and vertical angles. But I can't stand OLED stutter. Ughhhhhhh
I think the only criteria I'm definitive on is that I won't buy anything under 65" but then you get into 2k territory and do I really want to spend that much on a new TV? Plus my room set up really favors an OLED because of the viewing angles AND if I go LED I will need to wall mount and angle down about a mantelpiece. I can get away with plopping an OLED on the mantelpiece without mounting because of the superior horizontal and vertical angles. But I can't stand OLED stutter. Ughhhhhhh
I returned it already. Beautiful TV but it was only 55" and honestly I think it was too bright for me.
This is for SDR, right?
When using HDR for games, the only presets are HDR Game, Vivid, and Standard iirc. Or are you able to change it in some way? Not in front of my B6, so I can't check atm.
Oh ok. I mean if you need a 65 within budget go ahead.
For some reason I've had more issues with my eyes hurting with the B7 then 930e despite more brightness, idk why.
That said I don't go overboard, I have my brightness at 25 on my 930e for SDR. Max of course for HDR but HDR handles that differently.
Only time I had an issue with the brightness (besides straight up a full blown white screen) was in GoW during the part where there were constant lightning flashes for a short period of time in that one area. That was bright! And was obnoxious. I turned down the settings way down and the flashes were still too bright lol.
Need a good camera to take good pictures of how great the quality is. No regular camera is going to do this justice.
Since the beta firmware. Not at all. If you want to preserve specular highlights lower contrast and use dynamic contrast low in game mode.
Correct. No longer locked to Wide color in SDR or having to use PC.
Yeah, for HDR we have less options. Sticking with the brighter game mode.
Talking about SDR no?
Is game mode that innacurate on the B7? I set the temp to W45, and things look decent to me.
He's talking about the 7 series and SDR.
Is this for HDR? It's actually really good to be fair.
I think they're using cinema home because it's brighter than hdr game made, and not because it's more accurate.
It's not inaccurate, just too dim with certain (most?) HDR games.
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