Oh? Then what's he comparing their line up to? The PS3? The PS2? Because if he is it's even more ludicrous.
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European Sony WWS Boss: "We Now Have Not Only The Best Lineup Ever But Also The Broadest"
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Oh? Then what's he comparing their line up to? The PS3? The PS2? Because if he is it's even more ludicrous.
Budgets relate to sales potential and the ones getting the big budgets all have potential in selling to the 5-10 million range
People LOVE Sony's narrative driven games. And they are all vastly different. I'm hardly going to go play GOW because I want an Uncharted like experience
Imo every Sony generation should end with a PS fighting game. To highlight all the new characters introduced in that generation of consoles. But I've accepted we're not getting one for PS4. Maybe PS5.
To be fair, it's not exactly comparable. It's like saying because Sony has Knack, Tearaway and Puppeteer that they make cartoony, platform games like Nintendo. Technically, yes, but comparing that to Nintendo Making Mario, Donkey Kong, Yoshi, Kirby, etc. is a bit disingenuous.
I think it's reasonable to say Nintendo doesn't consistently try to produce AAA caliber new IP. Just this generation Sony has at least half a dozen pretty major new IP, if not more (not every is successful though). Trying to discern what AAA is for Nintendo is tricky, but while I'm not trying to purposefully exclude things the only major new IP Nintendo made during the Wii U was probably Splatoon - and I don't know that they have yet done anything for the Switch. Maybe ARMS counts?
And I also think it's fair to say Nintendo leverages it's existing IP way more than Sony, and it's something I wish Sony could improve on. Nintendo has been making Mario since the 80's, Zelda since the 80's, Donkey Kong since the 90's, Kirby since the 90's, etc. Also look at things like Mario Party, Mario Kart, Smash Bros. These are all games that utilize NIntendo's biggest IP to help bolster these franchises. Those games are great fundamentally, but if Smash Bros. didn't have Nintendo characters it's very unlikely it would be what it is because the love of those characters and the enjoyment from beating up Bowser with Zelda is a unique selling point.
Not that there is anything wrong with leveraging IP or continuing to make games in a franchise that has been around for a while. And, just so there's no confusion, I completely agree that Nintendo reinvents their franchises so Super Mario Bros. 3 isn't Mario Galaxy isn't Mario Odyssey. But there is a certain level of hype from a new IP, specifically one being marketed as a big deal.
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You can't have a civil discussion about this when the PR guy who was quoted is starting a console war with the source material itself.
"We Now Have Not Only The Best Lineup Ever But Also The Broadest"
This is like me going to church and proclaiming...
"I AM MORE HUMBLE THAN JESUS"
so obviously people who don't play PS games are going to be defensive because it's calling their stuff "less than" when in reality it's all a matter of preference. The only thing less than is the amount of players I can crossplay with on my PS4 (I love my PS4, Bloodborne and God of War) and crossplay is the hot topic right now.
"We Now Have Not Only The Best Lineup Ever But Also The Broadest"
This is like me going to church and proclaiming...
"I AM MORE HUMBLE THAN JESUS"
so obviously people who don't play PS games are going to be defensive because it's calling their stuff "less than" when in reality it's all a matter of preference. The only thing less than is the amount of players I can crossplay with on my PS4 (I love my PS4, Bloodborne and God of War) and crossplay is the hot topic right now.
I don't get this mentality of list wars.
If you were to look at all the new family-friendly IP/games created in the last generation and compare them to the ones we have now, excluding backwards compatibility, you'd see that Sony is nowhere near where it was last generation.
I don't get it. I'm not trying to say Sony sucks or Nintendo is better, all I want is more original games like the ones you listed. I'll gladly take remakes too. Just not remasters or upres versions.
Anyone can play anything every day if they really want to. It doesn't magically make the game have depth or add content that isn't there. As a sim style game it's as barebones and casual as it gets. I play lots of simulation style games on PC and I have played AC in the past as well. So yeah while you can give Nintendo a point for making a "sim" game for a list war I guess, when you actually look at it it doesn't compare very favorably at all. Same thing with smash bros and other fighting games, mario kart and other racers, mario tennis and other sports games etc. They tend to make very simplified and accessible games where you get a lot less for your $60 than other games in the same genre offer.
I literally did that. That's like the entire point of my comment, did you stop reading once you saw the word cartoony? lol
When Dreams is released will people use it as an example in all genres?
Yeah and it sucks. And you should know that it sucks given your avatar :p
Ratchet remains my favourite Sony franchise by a rather large margin.
I'm not sure you can label someone a fanboy for simply preferring one companies exclusive output compared to anothers. I'm sure many people feel the same way. I personally think sony and nintendo have been on par since the ps4 came out in terms of quality games, but i wouldn't call someone a fanboy simply for enjoying one set of them over another.
You mean that there different genres not counting all the other games like GT , MLB , QD games , PSVR games etc etc .
You asked where's Nintendo's variety. I showed you. Visuals have nothing to do with genres and variety. Otherwise Sony would be in trouble with all their realistic third person action games.
I don't know what are the two games you are thinking about, but I can count at least 5 games that were featured at least at one of their E3 conferences.
Dreams, The Last Guardian, Ratchet, Bloodborne and Until Dawn (and no Gran Turismo Sport was showed before their E3 conference).
You listed 6 games starring Mario characters. I personally love these games, but that can really dampen the "broad" argument for Nintendo.
Well this thread probably won't end well.
I think it's always been the case with Sony consoles. They like to have a diverse lineup to cater to many different types. It's part of the reason every gen they sell a lot of consoles.
Am I the only one here who is kind of sad that we have all this talk of Sony and Nintendo and not one mention of MS in this thread? My One X am cry.
I think it's always been the case with Sony consoles. They like to have a diverse lineup to cater to many different types. It's part of the reason every gen they sell a lot of consoles.
Am I the only one here who is kind of sad that we have all this talk of Sony and Nintendo and not one mention of MS in this thread? My One X am cry.
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Different genres? Ok let's see...
God of War = third person, openworld action
Horizon = third person, openworld action
Days Gone = third person, openworld action (survival?)
Ghost of Tshushima = third person, openworld action
Infamous = third person, openworld action
Death Stranding = third person, openworld (action?)
Come onnnn.
Gee you sure are reaching to turn this into something about cross play
That's a weird thing to say at the best of times but especially in a thread about exclusives. Sony's exclusives wouldn't need crossplay because they're... exclusive to PlayStation.
ARMS = 3rd person brawler fighter
Metroid Prime = First person adventure shooter
Mario = 2d + 3d platformer
Wonderful 101 = Action Adventure
Zelda = Action adventure
Splatoon = 3rd person multiplayer + single player shooter
Xenoblade = JRPG
Kirby = 2d platform brawler
Fire Emblem = SRPG
Mario Kart = Kart racer
Punch Out = 3rd person boss rush brawler
Starfox = Arcade SHMUP + possible race combo (rumor for next game)
Animal Crossing = Life Sim
Tomadachi Life = Life Sim
Smash = 2d platform fighting game
Code Name STEAM = SRPG
Captain Toad = Puzzle game
Donkey Kong = 2d platformer
Pikmin = Strategy game
1 2 Switch = casual party game
Labo = casual interactive assembly construction system of games
Hyrule Warriors = Hack and slash
But I am arguing exactly what you are saying- that Nintendo doesn't do new IP as much or as well as Sony does. They do do it, but they're lacking in this department, and I hope they do more, especially given the success of Xenoblade and Splatoon.
Likewise, and on the flipside, I think Sony doesn't do franchising as well, they've started doing it, but it's not on Nintendo's level. Basically, I hope they do it better going forward, especially with God of War having turned out so well for them, too.
I just thought about this. With just one game (Dreams) their statement becomes true!
Bloodborne is also the same as god of war and days gone.
Because it's third person you know...
Lol saying this is the same as someone posting that exclusive playstation template pic. Sony keeps releasing the same games with different titles.
Third Person perspective is a genre now? And where is the list of all the other games available?
I really think people just don't really think things through when trying to make a point.
Wasn't it specifically referring to Sony's output and not in comparison to Nintendo and/or Microsoft?
While conveniently ignoring Last Guardian, Dreams, Everybody's Golf, Gran Turismo, Wipeout, Resogun, Until Dawn etc etc.. yikes!
tsk.. tsk...
You missed the point of the original image entirely. People will look at a publisher's output and an identity will form in their minds based on that. They will mainly look at what's common between their tentpole releases.I finally found a place to use this image I made. Thanks!
3rd person, action-adventure, over the shoulder view, focus on cinematics, dark setting, etc. This isn't by coincidence either; those games are likely the result of years of focus testing and they've decided what their niche should be. Sony then made the conscious decision on having this identity as well as putting significantly less focus on games that don't fit this "template."
If you genuinely can't see the similarities then maybe you have a different view of Sony, but other people will disagree with you for the reasons stated above.
If you look at MS's major releases (Halo, Gears, Forza, Sea of Thieves, etc) and Nintendo's (Mario, Zelda, Pokemon, Smash, Metroid, etc) you can clearly see that it's nowhere near as homogenized.
That's what I originally thought, but apparently in context in the interview, he means in general?
And yet, AC: New Leaf is at 88 on Metacritic and sold 12 million and adored by anyone who played it. Likewise Mario Kart 8 92 on MC, sold over 10 million and adored by everyone who plays it. Smash Wii U, 92 on Meta etc etc
Are you honestly arguing about the quality of Nintendo now, given that's pretty much what they're known for?
There's nothing "simplified" about Smash, and as for accessibility, their games appeal to a huge demographic, from casual to core, that's a good thing.
There's a reason why Breath of the Wild won every award going last year and Horizon won nothing. Nintendo makes great games, regardless of some arbitrary amount of content you deem each game to have.
The original image was actually a joke image created on NeoGAF by a PlayStation fan. And you're taking my image way too seriously; furthermore, the PR encompasses all of their output, not just the tentpole releases.
Sony is doing really great job this gen, and especially in the last few years. For their early PS4 years, I still say that they produced too many games for PS3 in 2013.
Produced by Sony?
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