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Gran Turismo Sport Community Thread: Racing Leagues, Time Trials & More
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I was surprised to see the top 4 at Brands take the Megane, as it seemed like most were taking the VW before the race got postponed. Did the Megane end up having a speed advantage in testing? I was never quite as fast or comfortable in it.
The Mégane had a straight line speed advantage so if you could hussle it around the bends quick enough you had a better chance of overtaking in it.
I only owned the Megane. I would have chosen the Scirocco otherwise just out of spite for the Megane.
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The Megane is the quicker car but there was no way I was going to pick it considering it's legacy in sport mode. I feel dirty driving that car! Pride over victory :P
LOL yeah I had similar feelings but swallowed my pride and went for the performance :-) When we did practice the Sciroccos would be right with me on the corners but I'd get away on the straights.
So the story of my night was...
Race 1 I had a poor start, ran a bit wide at turn 1 and lost a place to JamboGT. I got a good run out of Surtees and managed to get alongside going into Hawthorn and took the lead only for him to come back at me at Westfield which we went through side by side and he conceded the place as we ran through Sheene. After that I did my best to chase down CLR_CMOS but he was just too damn quick and consistent. I also had JamboGT breathing down my neck with the gap fluctuating between .5 and a 1 second for much of the race. Fortunately whenever I dropped a bollock and ran wide he followed me too! As the race wore on I eventually opened the gap up to nearly 4 seconds with about the same gap between me and CLR. I had a bit of hope for some last lap carnage with CLR having to lap someone but he got past without losing any time and finished nearly 5 seconds clear from me.
Race 2 I had a decent start, I was hoping to keep CLR_CMOS behind me didn't manage to do that past even the first turn! I got boxed in on the inside whilst he swept around the outside. I got punted off on Graham Hill bend in the aftermath of the BradleyLove incident concertina but got away with keeping my foot planted and only lost a bit of time. After passing through GHG ghost I was in 6th chasing a 4 car pack of moley moley moley ,Sejanoz CLR_CMOS and JamboGT - I got a good run out of Clearways and tried to go around Sejanoz the long way but run out of road on Clark curve and dropped back behind GHG and cooldawn. I got back up the inside of GHG at Druids (I think you understeered wide here bud, it wasn't contact was it?) and got a good run out of Surtees again and went to pass cooldawn but Sejanoz and Moley were scrapping and I had to lift to stop from running into them. Cooldawn too advantage of the situation to dive up the inside of Sejanoz at Hawthorn and I followed him through. He then made a move to the right which scared me onto the grass and the rest has been well documented above! Sorry Moley! After that I set of after JamboGT , CLR_CMOS and AbandonedTrolley who was having a great start but ran wide at Graham Hill bend and I was up to 3rd. Try as I might I couldn't catch CLR but with the 5 second penalty I had to make the space away from Sejanoz in 4th. On Lap 6 Jambo fell of the track and lost the lead and I was within a second of him and he also had a penalty. It was the opposite of race 1 this time and it was Jambo who gradually crept away from me until I dropped another clanger on Clarke so decided to serve my penalty. Sejanoz was within 1.2 seconds now so I need to concentrate to not lose 3rd... so I went and cut bloody Westfield the next lap and got a 2.1 second penalty! I was thinking it's OK as Sejanoz is 2.6 seconds behind then I realised it gets rounded up to 3 seconds! So the last lap was a desperate sprint to open up the gap to over 3 seconds to secure 3rd which I managed, just.
I've just had no concentration in races of late, too many stupid errors compounded with zero time to get practice means I'm nearly always at the back, but hey I still enjoy the small battles I have.
Practice makes such a difference, the more you can do laps without having to actually think about it the quicker and more consistent you'll be. I preferred practice for the endurance where you were looking at fuel and tyre wear instead of just outright pace, but the racing now is usually more enjoyable.
Just did a few laps on DT. My best was in the Lexus with a 1:28.8. A bit slower in the NSX with a best of 1:29.5, more fun to drive though. I think there's more time to squeeze out of both of them -- those Softs give a lot of grip and I'm used to having to be more delicate with the Gr.2s on RH.
That bus stop never stops being a breathless two seconds every lap though. Turning damage on with this track would be a quick way to frustrate everyone I think.
Wow nice one. Sounds like it's gonna be super competitive. I haven't had another chance to do more laps yet but I'm off work for the week now so I will give it another go. Totally agree this would be a bad race to introduce damage.
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We will leave it as it is for the next race but any shenanigans like the last few races then light damage is going on for the rest of the season. I'd like for us to return to the good form we had for the endurance series :)
In the meantime I'll leave you all with this stunner straight out of Germany (it was first posted in the PC sim racing thread):
Wow. I have no words.
In the meantime I'll leave you all with this stunner straight out of Germany (it was first posted in the PC sim racing thread):
Wow. I have no words.
So is this round dragon trail normal in the Gr2s? Soft racing tyres? I can't see pictures in this thread for some reason
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Yep.
Dragon Trail Seaside, GR2, BOP on, Racing Soft tires. Same times and format as usual.
Nice.... Should be quite competitive at that pace.
Go to put me down as a doubt for this one GHG :-( I'm in France and the WiFi signal where I'm staying is probably going to be too poor to race - I'll have a mess about with it and try to join but I expect I'll be lagging like hell. I'll be on a pad too so it'll probably be tough to tell the difference between lag and my driving!
Oh man that's a shame. I hope things work out so you can make it
Merde! I wonder what the datarate would be like if you tethered to mobile.
Nice man! Haven't had a chance to practice more myself, gotta put some laps in tonight. Are you running the Lexus?
My biggest worry on DT is consistency through the bus stop going flat out. I'm not sure I'll have the confidence to do that during the race.
Thanks, yeah that's in the Lexus I can do low 29's in the GTR but haven't even tried the other one.
I know what you mean about consistency, I'm happy enough with my lines when I'm on my own but tailing another car or throw in a car on your arse and it's a different story
Cheers bud, me too!
Yeah I'm in the middle of the countryside and don't even have 3G on my mobile so that ain't gonna work - I think I'm just gonna have to lug everything to the corner of the cottage where I can get a wifi signal most of the time...
And yeah the bus stop is probably gonna make a big difference in this race, who can get through there quickly and consistently. And like FIFA says it's even worse when you got a car in front of you obscuring your view or that might brake or ease off at a different position.
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The bus stop is flat out in these cars. Everyone hold your breath, close your eyes and go for it.
Don't actually close your eyes
I may find out tonight my internet has decided to crap out!
The amount of people I saw driving today with no regard for the people around them was appalling. We're supposed to be a group of friends who race together. Who the fuck cares about points when you're taking out your friends to get them?
I thought about uploading a name-and-shame video, but I'll keep things civil. The first lap of both races were clusterfucks, and really made me sure that we need formation laps on these races because we can't seem to police ourselves out of the gate. But what I saw and experienced wasn't just shoving and pushing. On the second race I was divebombed twice by the same person, sending me into the barrier both times and seriously impacting my race. There is no excuse for that. And anyway, there's plenty of places to get a draft and pass someone on DT. Trying to sneak in on a corner or a chicane is frankly Sport mode bullshit.
Yes racing incidents happen and I'm as guilty as anyone of those, but these cars are fast and you have to account for that, you have to predict what might happen around you and try to avoid ruining someone's race because you're so thirsty to get by.
I don't know what the answer is in terms of policing this kind of behavior, but I think starting with thinking about how you feel when someone else punts you is a good place to start. I remember the days when we were so concerned about hitting each other that we'd go into the grass to avoid someone. I'd like to get back to that attitude if possible, because otherwise what's the point?
I thought about uploading a name-and-shame video, but I'll keep things civil. The first lap of both races were clusterfucks, and really made me sure that we need formation laps on these races because we can't seem to police ourselves out of the gate. But what I saw and experienced wasn't just shoving and pushing. On the second race I was divebombed twice by the same person, sending me into the barrier both times and seriously impacting my race. There is no excuse for that. And anyway, there's plenty of places to get a draft and pass someone on DT. Trying to sneak in on a corner or a chicane is frankly Sport mode bullshit.
Yes racing incidents happen and I'm as guilty as anyone of those, but these cars are fast and you have to account for that, you have to predict what might happen around you and try to avoid ruining someone's race because you're so thirsty to get by.
I don't know what the answer is in terms of policing this kind of behavior, but I think starting with thinking about how you feel when someone else punts you is a good place to start. I remember the days when we were so concerned about hitting each other that we'd go into the grass to avoid someone. I'd like to get back to that attitude if possible, because otherwise what's the point?
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Agree with all of this. In the second race I just hung back and watched as I knew it was going to end in tears. Going 2/3 wide into corners with these cars in areas where the track narrows is never a good idea.
It was like the parting of the red sea and I got a clear path through to start chasing down Fox Mulder who also managed to avoid the chaos. CLR_CMOS got caught up in it all and I thought I'd have have a chance of victory but a combination of his pace and me continuing to botch my corner exits under pressure resulted in him just eating away at me. I then binned it trying to keep up :(
But yes, something needs to be done as what's happening now really shouldn't be. Y'all need some iRacing in your lives where if you fuck up at the start it's race over from damaging your car too much or you get DQ'd by the penalty system for causing a pile up. There's an art to surviving the first lap following a grid start and it means not racing at full throttle when you're boxed in from all angles with no clear escape route in the event something does go wrong. Sometimes you've just got to back off and let the race settle into a rhythm. At that stage there are still 20 minutes to chase people down and fashion overtaking opportunities for yourself! Losing places at the start is actually the best time in a race to lose places. In summary, people need to chill.
I prefer we keep grid starts and turn light damage on as it will force everyone to take responsibility and respect one another in tight situations. The grid starts can be great fun if done right and it would be a shame to have to move away from them.
Really sorry eyeball, the very first time I hit you it was definitely lag because there was still some space between us (then I got bumped from behind and hit you again, causing a big mess). uploading video now.
Second time I can't say it was totally my fault. We could have taken that first chicane side by side without problems - and you would have still come out first. I was surprised when I didn't see you defending the inside, only to cut through it shortly after. I didn't have any more space to move, and was already at max braking.
I could be in the wrong, but that's how I would have done it since we were that close.
Second time I can't say it was totally my fault. We could have taken that first chicane side by side without problems - and you would have still come out first. I was surprised when I didn't see you defending the inside, only to cut through it shortly after. I didn't have any more space to move, and was already at max braking.
I could be in the wrong, but that's how I would have done it since we were that close.
I don't know man, I'm not sure what will make people stop that first lap scramble. And I also kind of feel like, what's the point of qualifying well when someone three places back can bash past you in the first half mile? I know there's real-life races where this madness goes on, but it just feels like Pamplona every time and for me personally it's the opposite of clean, fair racing. But if you think damage will help we can certainly try it.
Well I'm sure lag played a part; you were teleporting all over the place on my screen and it was hard to tell how far back or where you were at any moment. If was truly lag on the first time then there's no need to apologize. But we definitely need to get that figured out, either a different host or sort out the network conflict.
On the second race, honestly I didn't even think I needed to "defend" the inside of the first chicane. I just wouldn't think anyone in a friendly race would try to pass there. How I took that chicane is how I always take it... brake at the curb, drop down to 2nd, cut over sharply to the inside curb, slowly get on throttle and upshift to 3rd while exiting so I don't spin out as I go full throttle. That may not have been what you were expecting, but again, there's plenty of places to pass on that track and that's not a very safe place to try. If you were parallel to me or had a front wheel on my door going into the chicane, I would've seen you and made sure to leave room, but you decided to dive in late on the inside and we both paid the price for it.
Second race Sejanoz was warping around, was actually distracting in the end as you mention, hard to tell where he was, I saw him go off one corner so thought I had some breathing space and took the next corner a little calmer, only to see him right behind and I assume the 'off' I saw never happened lol
Same route as me, and final lap of second race I got a tap, ended up on the grass and lost a couple of places.
Sorry I couldn't make it last night, I went from having dodgy internet to having no internet so couldn't even message anyone about it. Sorry to hear it sounds like we had issues again (not me this time at least!). Gutted I couldn't make it, I love racing the GR2 beasts. Can someone post their vid of the races, I'm sure it'll take a while to watch in between buffering but I'd like to see it :-)
Any reason why you asked about the host having NAT type 1 GHG?
Any reason why you asked about the host having NAT type 1 GHG?
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I'm trying to post a video but YouTube just isn't playing nice at the moment. I qualified in 4th managed to get into 3rd for a few laps when Sejanoz went off while battling with Mitch. I didn't have the pace to close on Mitch so ended up holding Sejanoz back for a few laps but still building a sizable gap over the rest of the field. Inevitably Sej passed me again my lead over the others was such that I could be cautious to ensure I maintained my position but Bradley closed it down to a couple of seconds by the end but I finished in 4th
Nat1 just plays nicely with more people I think
But it really wasn't an attempt to overtake, I was just expecting you to stay on the outside so we would have taken the turn together and then you would have had the inside line on the way out.
Or covered the inside so I would have been forced on the outside (that's why on the little right bend before the chicane I was moving to the right)
Either way you would have had the lead.
I take responsibility for the first case (even if there must have been a little lag, because there was still a metre or more between our cars), but I can't really agree with you on the second, as crazy as that sounds. And I mean this is the most genuine way, I don't think I've ever tried an overtake by divebombing, much less in our races.
Anyway I think I'm gonna take a break from GT so I can finish a bunch of games - especially Gravity Rush before they shut down the damn servers. Plus I don't like to take GHG out of hosting privileges just to please my connection shenanigans!
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NAT 1 ensures full compatibility for everyone that connects.
NAT type 2 will just result in more of the same of what we have now where some people appear laggy to some and not to others. For example Sejanoz didn't appear laggy to me or Fifanutz last night but he did to some other people. Having NAT 1 helps prevent those sorts of issues. Having someone else that is NAT 2 hist will only result in the same issues but for different people dependant in who is the host.
Here's my race 2 started 6th in this one much better spectacle than the 1st race. Negotiated the clusterf**k start then some decent battling with Trolley and Bradley. Bradley made a great pass round the outside the corner before the bus stop. Trolley must have been pissed losing two place so close to the end like that though.
I think we need to be more careful with some of the language being used. If someone outbrakes you on the inside of the corner, that is not divebombing to me. Divebombing implies a lack of control.
I also don't see anything wrong with going for a move if someone's off the racing line and has left the door open.
Racing incidents happen, shunts happen, etc. But I don't subscribe to anyone having to give up on an overtake unless it's 100% risk free—racing is meant to have risks.
Despite my recent frustrations with some of the shunts I've received, I don't for one second think any have been deliberate and as such aren't "dirty".
Could we all be more careful? Sure. But with the lack of peripheral vision there's always going to be incidents when cars are two abreast but what I'd hate to see is our races completely neutered by folks becoming too scared to go for a move.
I do wonder however about whether it's coincidence that our collective racing has become arguably scrappier once tyre and fuel management was turned off?
I also don't see anything wrong with going for a move if someone's off the racing line and has left the door open.
Racing incidents happen, shunts happen, etc. But I don't subscribe to anyone having to give up on an overtake unless it's 100% risk free—racing is meant to have risks.
Despite my recent frustrations with some of the shunts I've received, I don't for one second think any have been deliberate and as such aren't "dirty".
Could we all be more careful? Sure. But with the lack of peripheral vision there's always going to be incidents when cars are two abreast but what I'd hate to see is our races completely neutered by folks becoming too scared to go for a move.
I do wonder however about whether it's coincidence that our collective racing has become arguably scrappier once tyre and fuel management was turned off?
Here's the video of the incident, from both yours and my perspective.
Here's a photo at the point where I've already crossed the turn-in marker. Your nose is barely with my rear tire. Under normal racing rules you should have backed off at this point; I'm not required or expected to give you room unless (generally speaking) your nose is somewhere along my door or front tire at the point of turn-in. So I was following my normal racing line and had the right to. Moreover, it was an unsafe move to even try as that chicane is really narrow and it's hard to negotiate two people side-by-side even when you know the other person is there (on the first lap Trolley and I collided doing that there, and it was basically my fault for going too hot on the inside). And frankly, because I was concentrating 95% on making that chicane properly I barely even saw you were moving in on the inside at that point and would've had almost no time to react to your maneuver.
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this is what I don't understand, if I had braked later (thus divebombing more, allowing me to reach the middle of your car) would you have given me space? Moreover, would it have been a fair move?
Like in this really similar situation between Mitch and jvodka, where he braked some meters after me.
This is why I don't think I've divebombed at all; I braked a split second before you, braked all the way and stayed on the left as much as I could. I really couldn't have backed off more than that.
Again really sorry it had to be you in both cases, you didn't deserve it. But it really wasn't intentional man, both times. I think between all the possible scenarios we ended up with the worst one
Like in this really similar situation between Mitch and jvodka, where he braked some meters after me.
This is why I don't think I've divebombed at all; I braked a split second before you, braked all the way and stayed on the left as much as I could. I really couldn't have backed off more than that.
Again really sorry it had to be you in both cases, you didn't deserve it. But it really wasn't intentional man, both times. I think between all the possible scenarios we ended up with the worst one
Right, from what I can tell GHG's car had reached the door and almost the front wheel of jvodka's by the 50m marker, so technically he had the right to be there. Realistically though, it could've easily ended up in pain if jvodka had gone into the chicane a bit faster (I don't have a view from his POV so it's hard to tell what he was doing there), because he still wouldn't have had much time. GHG did make his intention more clear as he was running to the left most of the way down the straight, and lag played a part in you looking like you were behind me until the last second (check my rear-view on my video to see what I mean), by the time you popped out on the left I was already committed to what I was doing.
So technically GHG had a somewhat legit claim to be given room, but it wasn't really much safer than our incident because he reached jvodka's door at the last second. He got away with it due to his higher speed and jvodka's late turn-in (I don't know if he did that deliberately because he saw GHG or what), but it could've ended up in the same type of collision.
As far as intention, it's cool man, it was just really frustrating. I think it's good to have this discussion though. You obviously had a different scenario in your head for how you wanted that to play out, but I guess I would say that it's better to drive defensively and not risk someone else's race unless you have a clear signal from the other person or you are already running parallel to that person well before the turn-in.
For the people that say you have to be risky to have good races, go look at replays from CMOS's POV. I've never seen them take a big risk when passing me, always very respectful, and they make sure to back off if something looks dicey. And yet they're often the fastest person on the field.
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There are differences between the two examples. I had a higher top speed, and jvodka had an earlier braking point, so due to that I made the decision to brake slightly later than I would usually in order to pull off the move. If you look at it my car is already fully along side (if not slightly in front of) his car at the turn in point. If you're going to get an overtake done on that corner you need to be through the first apex of that chicane as quickly as possible, even if it means compromising your exit on the second part of the chicane.
From my perspective it looks to be a racing incident where lag contributed a lot to the situation. From the perspective of eyeball_kid it wasn't clear where Sejanoz's car was so in a situation like that you have to make the decision to continue on the racing line as normal and that unfortunately resulted in turning across Sejanoz's car. I don't think there was any malice in the situation, Sejanoz maybe expected a little bit more room to have been afforded to him at the apex of the corner.
From my perspective it looks to be a racing incident where lag contributed a lot to the situation. From the perspective of eyeball_kid it wasn't clear where Sejanoz's car was so in a situation like that you have to make the decision to continue on the racing line as normal and that unfortunately resulted in turning across Sejanoz's car. I don't think there was any malice in the situation, Sejanoz maybe expected a little bit more room to have been afforded to him at the apex of the corner.
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I agree that lag played a part; if I had seen him to the left earlier down the straight and not braking early I might have swung wider not because I would be okay going side to side with him into the chicane, but just to avoid being hit.
And I can understand from your perspective GHG that if you saw jvodka braking early, you'd see that as an opportunity to pass, and it worked out for you in that case.
But again, there's no reason I should need to afford anyone room who jumps onto my rear wheel at the last second. Maybe I don't defend corners enough, but unless someone is up on my door before we hit the turn-in, I see zero reason they should assume I'll make room for them just because they braked late in order to make up ground.
I think this article basically sums up how I view the situation and that practice in general: https://www.windingroad.com/articles/blogs/the-road-racers-guide-to-passing-etiquette/
And I can understand from your perspective GHG that if you saw jvodka braking early, you'd see that as an opportunity to pass, and it worked out for you in that case.
But again, there's no reason I should need to afford anyone room who jumps onto my rear wheel at the last second. Maybe I don't defend corners enough, but unless someone is up on my door before we hit the turn-in, I see zero reason they should assume I'll make room for them just because they braked late in order to make up ground.
I think this article basically sums up how I view the situation and that practice in general: https://www.windingroad.com/articles/blogs/the-road-racers-guide-to-passing-etiquette/
yeah I also think it's good to have this discussion. It just seems weird that if I braked later it would have been better (lag permitting) - I feel like it would have been an ever more blatant divebomb.
Anyway lag must have also played a part with the contact, because it didn't seem that bad. I launched you on the other side of the track lol.
Anyway lag must have also played a part with the contact, because it didn't seem that bad. I launched you on the other side of the track lol.
I never seem to have these issues. I think perhaps I concede my position far too easily and then try to chase down and take the position back rather than risk ruining both our races.... The fatal flaw with my approach is that even when I have better pace than the driver ahead I'm still too cautious to make the move and so rarely pass unless I can pressure them into a mistake.
In Sejanoz defence there was no lag between us and when we battled I felt I defended my lines well for a few laps and he made clean passes when the opportunities arose no contact whatsoever. I'd say lag played a big part in your issues!
In Sejanoz defence there was no lag between us and when we battled I felt I defended my lines well for a few laps and he made clean passes when the opportunities arose no contact whatsoever. I'd say lag played a big part in your issues!