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Television Displays and Technology Thread: The ERA of OLED is Now
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It's a good thing I found out about this before I decided to purchase the X930E or even the X900F. I don't mind using something like an HDMI switch to work around this limitation but if I have my PS4 Pro, Xbox One X, and DirecTV 4k receiver connected through a switch and I want to configure each of their picture settings then I'm going to have to do this EVERY time I switch to that device. I use my X1 primarily as my 4k blu-ray player and I game mostly on my PS4 so my settings for these devices will vary. Not sure how others who own Sony TV's manage this but that's a pain in the ass. I think I'll pass on getting a Sony for now.
The PS4 and Xbox should have similar settings in both SDR and HDR no? And Directv should be no different than SDR on those devices other than maybe backlight levels? HDR mode settings will always be different and constant from SDR.
Coooooooool
Is there a list of movies with Atmos support yet? Do Atmos icons show up for the movies?
Tell me Atmos things.
If I'm using the PS4 primarily for gaming won't I have to switch it to game mode or some setting to reduce input lag? I probably don't want to use that same setting on the Xbox One X if I'm using that for watching 4k blu-rays?
Yes but you will be doing that with the X1X switching from games to blu-rays too. I see what you're saying though with all devices fed into a single input. Pretty tricky
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Well I just found out that the X930E has support for DirecTV RVU which doesn't require separate receiver if I want to go that route. But I was thinking HDMI 1 still has 4k res support, correct? I could just run the DirecTV through that input and then have my X1X and PS4 connected via switch to HDMI 2, my A/V receiver to HDMI 3 and my Nintendo Switch to HDMI 4. I guess that should work out ok.
As I mentioned, this is not the case according to Rtings. I did a bit a research and found the relevant Q&A sections. The first is from their review of the 900E, the second is from their review of the 900F.
https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x900e#page-qa
https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x900f#page-qa
As I mentioned, this is not the case according to Rtings. I did a bit a research and found the relevant Q&A sections. The first is from their review of the 900E, the second is from their review of the 900F.
https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x900e#page-qa
https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x900f#page-qa
Oh... well look at that! I guess I was mistaken :)
I went through 2 TCL 6 series tvs because of dirty screen effect lately. Returned them both and got a refund. Figured I should go with a more expensive tv to be happy with it as I was burnt out on the experience of returns to Best Buy. I use it as a pc monitor as well as an entertainment tv. OLED would be asking for burn in I feel like with that. Are the Samsung QLED TVs well liked around here? Does anyone have one?
Don't get me wrong, I think Sony should have made all the ports full bandwidth. In the back of my mind I worry whether Rtings is mistaken here and there may be other issues with HDMI 1 and 4 not being full bandwidth. It is one of the cons I listed with all the Sony TVs I was considering in my post a few pages back.
Still, the Rtings info does make me feel better about the whole issue.
Android TV though...
From the research I've been doing lately, the new Samsung Q8 and Q9 QLEDs are bar none the best gaming TVs at the moment. Low input lag, VRR, auto game detection, and a few other nice features. They are very bright and have a spectacular anti-reflective coating.
For HDR movie watching they are not as accurate as other brands because they over brighten HDR images. There is a workaround to this but I think it requires changing brightness settings depending on whether you are watching something mastered at 1000 or 4000 nits. See HDTVTest's Youtube review of the Q9FN as well as his "Sorry, not sorry..." follow up. On top of that they are missing Dolby Vision support, which I'm pretty sure I want.
8 movies w/ Atmos?
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I figured once the software was available, they'd just add it for every UHD blu ray title that had it.
Bummer. I'm sure there's more to come.
Cnet says it will be just like the UHD deal where they will update as they go and owners will get the upgrade for free.
Gahhhhh
I wanna get the Mission Impossible bundle on iTunes for $30 but everything except Rogue Nation is in DD 5.1 and miss me with that shit.
Arrrrrgggghhhhhhh
Well according to that list, I own 1 Atmos film; Blade Runner 2049, but I click on it and nothing....
All showing up as Atmos enabled in the settings.
Dunno how accurate that list is, seems like it was updated around a month ago.
This is anecdotal I know but I've been using an LG OLED for 10 months now as a PC monitor and haven't had any hint of burn in. I check it on a red test slide every now and again to keep tabs on it and it's still perfect. Got about 3,000 hours on it now probably 1500 of that is PC usage. Games, web browsing, youtube, Ableton/music production. The only thing I do is auto hide task bar and set a 5 minute timer on my screen saver.
Are any of you OLED folks using a HTPC as your primary device? How's that working out for you?
I'm just about to pull the trigger on a B7, but I realized that 75% of my gaming/media usage is through the PC in my living room. Aside from being diligent with burn-in/static images, are there any other weird things I should look out for?
I'm just about to pull the trigger on a B7, but I realized that 75% of my gaming/media usage is through the PC in my living room. Aside from being diligent with burn-in/static images, are there any other weird things I should look out for?
I am.
HDR is a little bit finicky, but better than it was LY. Also I have some HDMI handshake issues here and there but that's probably highly setup dependent so I can't say you'd have the same (esp if you're going directly into your TV).
Overall it's probably the best way to fill your pixels from a gaming perspective (GPU dependent of course). No static image issues but admittedly i'm not on the desktop much; either watching videos or playing games.
Wait, how does one of the two full bandwidth ports also being the ARC port suck? To me that's a good thing since with a 4K HDR receiver or soundbar, like you said, it's the primary port I'd use with either of them since it does both. And if you're not using a receiver or soundbar with ARC support then the ARC feature doesn't matter anyway.
That said, yeah it's a shame there aren't also 4 full bandwidth ports by now, so that if needed people could hook up at least three more 4K@60 devices to full bandwidth ports at once or for those of us going passed the amount of inputs our receivers/soundbars have, rather than just one more, without using a switcher.
There shouldn't really be any other than that it obviously can't do 4K@60hz
Cool, thanks!As I mentioned, this is not the case according to Rtings. I did a bit a research and found the relevant Q&A sections. The first is from their review of the 900E, the second is from their review of the 900F.
https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x900e#page-qa
https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x900f#page-qa
Great to see that update confirming it, especially since my receiver can't pass dolby vision (only HDR10) for my new player, so now I'm using both ports from the player and was using HDMI 2 for the video, but now maybe I'll switch it to HDMI 1 or 4 to try it out, just in case I ever get something that really needs the other full bandwidth port.
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Awesome, good to hear it. I do have a PS4 Pro, and I'll be picking up a UHD bluray player, but most of my gaming is on PC. Very little desktop time for me, too.
I currently have all of my inputs going into my receiver, and then just the one HDMI from that going into my TV. No handshake issues on my 1080p set, but like you said, it's probably highly setup dependent.
Yep.
For example, I have all my gear (also PS4 Pro, ATV 4K, UHD player) running through my Anthem. If I don't turn my LG C7 on first, and then everything else, the TV will automatically turn off after 20 mins. No idea why that is. Also, sometimes (and i cant figure out what to pin it on yet) but when i wake up my computer and the TV is on, when the desktop pops up, it's almost like the TV is "overscanning" for some reason. I go into NVCP and pick a different resolution, and when it pops up the "hey does this look okay cuz if not I'll flip it back" message, i click no, it flips back to 3840x2160 and the desktop is totally normal.
Again, these aren't issues I've had when plugged directly to the TV, so they're HDMI issues somewhere in the handshaking chain.
Btw, HDMI is honestly the worst technology standard ever developed, ever.
Which titles are missing from the list?I linked the DV and Atmos list.The full list (including HDR10 and SDR) is here.As far as i can tell, it's up to date.
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Well keep in mind it's still beta. Once it actually goes public, I'm sure we'll at least get all the same content Vudu already has in Atmos.
Hey guys, incase you didnt know, Destiny 2 trial is now on the PSN store and can be played until the end of the week. One of the best HDR looking games I have seen on my tv once the settings were right! Looks so good and runs so smoothly!
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So, i'm looking to get a new TV for gaming. Something really nice with the smallest amount of input latency possible.
This is the current TV I have found; any thoughts?
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MSD6HHV/?coliid=I1POOAP6K1OMPO&colid=13XYYKUWRZWYR&psc=0
This is the current TV I have found; any thoughts?
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MSD6HHV/?coliid=I1POOAP6K1OMPO&colid=13XYYKUWRZWYR&psc=0
It's pretty easy for enthusiasts to have more than 2. I have PS4 pro, xb1s, Apple TV 4K and I need a spare HDMI for ARC. And because I want to wait for HDMI2.1 before upgrading my receiver, I need inputs. Luckily my 930D has all 4 HDMI inputs 4K/HDR enabled. I have no idea why later/better Sony sets only have 2
Spend the extra $100 if you got it.
https://www.amazon.com/Sony-XBR55X9...e=UTF8&qid=1530126278&sr=1-1&keywords=xbr+900
reviews of both below
https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x800e
https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x900e
If you cant go the extra $100 below is probably the better 55" alternative to the 800.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B079N9HDNQ/ref=twister_B07C9FDHMW?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/tcl/6-series-2018-r617
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Typically here in the UK, there are only 2 out of those 8 films, that have Atmos, which was why I was confused. Oh well, nice to see this logo, after 2 restarts lol.
Is that actually true?
This is a very good point.
Friday is the day.
It's either going to be the B7 or X900F.
-Why I shouldn't get the X900F
Worse input lag. Especially for 1080p stuff.
Worse PQ, etc.
Worse design. Bulky compared to. Wth with that stand.
My room is mainly dark since I use the TV more during the night so that benefits the OLED.
Worse black levels even compared to R617 according to Rtings.
The whole HDMI thing.
It's not that much cheaper than the OLED.
Android TV is bad I hear.
-Why I shouldn't get the OLED
Burn in
SDR content is worse because of the processor being better on the Sony.
Burn in
Burn in
Burn in
Burn in
It's either going to be the B7 or X900F.
-Why I shouldn't get the X900F
Worse input lag. Especially for 1080p stuff.
Worse PQ, etc.
Worse design. Bulky compared to. Wth with that stand.
My room is mainly dark since I use the TV more during the night so that benefits the OLED.
Worse black levels even compared to R617 according to Rtings.
The whole HDMI thing.
It's not that much cheaper than the OLED.
Android TV is bad I hear.
-Why I shouldn't get the OLED
Burn in
SDR content is worse because of the processor being better on the Sony.
Burn in
Burn in
Burn in
Burn in
Awesome! Thanks so much for all the info. Got everything all set up last night finally, checked out Netflix with Dolby Vision with all the recommended settings from rtings.com. Oh my god I've entered a whole new world. I usually go to bed at 10:45 or so, last night it was 3:45am. I am feeling it HARD at work today, but worth it. I was just up tweaking and testing and loving life.
Now I'm trying to figure out what my Denon X4400H is all about. I know it has different sound enhancements but I am not sure how to get it to be just "straight" without processing. Meaning, if I'm watching a Blu-ray or Netflix that has a D 5.1 track, I can change it to different things like Dolby Surround (which I thought was a really old tech) and Neo:X and all this crap. I just don't know how to make sure it's doing the pure audio right from the source.
If burn in was such a big deal then all of us OLED owners wouldn't be gushing over our TVs. Buy the B7 and just enjoy it without worry.
Don't you mean SD content? Only lower res content will look better on the Sony, upscaling wise, how much 480p stuff you gonna watch?
Colour banding will be a fair bit better on the Sony too, but everything else bar burn in potential is an OLED win, it's a much better TV.
Sony 930e
For some reason a very weird delay/lag is now happening after I've pressed action menu button on remote and I choose picture (settings). Normally when I did this the actual picture settings menu would pop up right away and lately it can take up to ten seconds or more. I don't understand why this is now happening.
For some reason a very weird delay/lag is now happening after I've pressed action menu button on remote and I choose picture (settings). Normally when I did this the actual picture settings menu would pop up right away and lately it can take up to ten seconds or more. I don't understand why this is now happening.
Press the pure button, that's if the remote is the same as with x3300.
I have a C7P and burn in is not an issue. Image retention happens but disappears seconds later once you put some new stuff onscreen. Get the B7 and enjoy the image.
Ah, well that's easy enough. I will give that a shot. Thanks!
Oh, one more thing. I did the Audyssey automatic mic calibration thing and I noticed that once it's done it has several options which I'm unsure of. One is "reference", one is "L&R bypass" and "flat". My old Onkyo just had off, on, or manual for the Audyssey EQ. I'm also guessing not to use Dynamic EQ. It does say in the manual that if you use direct or pure direct you can't use the MultEQ® XT32, which is super lame because I spent so much time putting together a paper tripod and using 8 different seating positions to do the setup, haha.
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Took my C8 back bc it died, (wouldn't turn on.) I'm actually debating between the Q8 and the C8 now. 98% of useage is video games. I hardly ever watch TV or movies beside NBA Playoffs and NFL games.
The picture on the LG C8 was great, but now that I have my old 2013 Sony 50" LED 120hz TV hooked up again I'm thinking to myself is all the precautions and drama worth it? I used to leave my games on and paused for a long time never having to worry about image retention. Static HUDs all day long and never worried at all. When I was using the C8 I was paranoid as hell. Didn't want a chance of anything bad happening after dropping a small fortune on it.
Anybody have a Q8 or Q7,Q9? Impressions?
I think burn-in is a valid concern for any OLED you get especially if you're going to be gaming on it. Yes, it will have the better PQ over the 900F but if you plan on gaming on it then I would just be sure to take precautions with regards to brightness settings and not leave any static elements on the screen for extended period of time. Also, if you get the B7 from Best Buy then pay the extra for the extended warranty because it will cover burn-in. All other warranties won't.
I currently have the B7 but I'll probably be exchanging it for something like the 900F or 930E or another LED. It's a great TV but I also use it for gaming. I play Everybody's Golf probably 3-5 hours per week and I could totally see a year or two from now having the shot bar burned into my display. Can't afford to take that risk.
Yeah, they didn't do themselves a big favor with that one. Dolby Surround was the codec that was used before Dolby Digital. Think of the current one (which is also called Dolby Surround) as the evolution of Pro Logic IIx (or z). It essentially fills in any additional speakers that don't have discrete sound encoded for them. e.g. when you're listening to regular 5.1, but you have Atmos height speakers, it'll move sound into the Atmos height speakers. Or if you have 7.1, and playing 5.1, it'll move sound into the surround backs.
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