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THESIS: Mexico is the most consistent team in World Cup history (hear me out, read the OP)

AztecComplex

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The most consistently mediocre team that is but still the most consistent. Why is that?

I'm 32 years old. The first World Cup I have a recollection of watching was USA 1994. That was the first WC that Mexico ever got out of the group stage that was not hosted by Mexico themselves. And since then to this day this are the results:

USA 1994: Mexico got through and lost to Bulgaria in Round of 16
France 1998: Mexico got through and lost to Germany in Round of 16
Korea-Japan 2002: Mexico got through and lost to the US in Round of 16
Germany 2006: Mexico got through and lost to Argentina in Round of 16
South Africa 2010: Mexico got through and lost to Argentina in Round of 16
Brazil 2014: Mexico got through and lost to Netherlands in Round of 16
Russia 2018: Mexico got through and will probably loose to Brazil in Round of 16?
UPDATE: It's done. Mexico is out on Round of 16 again. That makes it a streak of 7 WCs and counting!

Thats 24 years of consistently getting out of groups (twice winning the group, the rest in 2nd) and 20 loosing in the 4th match. Remains to be seen what happens in Russia but I think the streak will continue.

I don't think theres another team in WC history that has qualified to these many straight tournaments dying in the same exact spot and if there is I'd like to know. Like I sad I'm 32 so I've never witnessed Mexico being sent off in anything before the Round of 16 stage. Not even superpowers like Spain, Italy, France or Argentina can say they've gone for this many and always get out of their groups. Sure they can say they've been world champs but then they fail to get out of a group or sometimes not even qualify like Italy.

TL;DR seven straight World Cups Mexico gets out of the group stage, 6 of them out in Round of 16, maybe 7. Mexico is the most consistently mediocre team in the history of the tournament. And I'm not saying this with pride.
 
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Russia 2018: Mexico got through and will probably loose in Round of 16?
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If they don't lose to Sweden in the final game of the group stage, they probably play Switzerland and win... now they'll probably face Brazil instead.

Korea-Japan 2002: Mexico got through and lost to the US in Round of 16
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US 2 Mexico 0... the only team to keep Mexico scoreless.

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You are probably going against Brazil because they can't afford to lose against Serbia, I mean they can go for a draw if they want to. Brazil will definitely try hard knockout phase as they want to wipe out that humiliation they got 4 years ago. Good luck though!
 
Hollywood Duo

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Just a random fluke. It's not like these teams had the same players or manager. Be happy your team made it to the round of 16.
 
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xbhaskarx said:
If they don't lose to Sweden in the final game of the group stage, they probably play Switzerland and win... now they'll probably face Brazil instead.
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They lost 3-0 to Sweden and Mexico is second in Group F now. Second place team from Group F goes against first place team from Group E and that is probably Brazil.
 
Eila

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Germany qualified to the knockout rounds from 1950-2014 and Brazil 1970-present
 
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AztecComplex

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Eila said:
Germany qualified to the knockout rounds from 1950-2014 and Brazil 1970-present
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Did you read my OP? I'm not talking just about getting out of the group. I'm saying Mexico qualified to knockout rounds and always dies in the exact same place (Round of 16). Germany could go to quaterfinals, 3rd place, runner up, champ, quaterfinals. Sure that makes them a better team but not as consistent(ly mediocre) as Mexico. All my life I dont know any other outcome for Mexico other than out of the group and loosing in the 4th match.
 
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Well, it sure is consistent in getting out of the group phase. But isn't Brazil more consistent in going BEYOND these stages? I have no data to prove it and I haven't lived enough to remember anything before the 2002 world cup.
 

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When I was a Kid my dad told me he was tired of watching the same thing over and over again, mediocrity and the "ya merito".

94 is also the first WC I remember, and after 2010 I just stopped caring. It will alway be the same forever.

I did enjoy watching the match against the Netherlands in 2014, just because I was actually in the Netherlands and my colleagues were stunned unitil...of course, the "ya merito" kicked in.
 
Mimosa97

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Wow. You actually make a good point. You can salute their consistency though. Qualifying to the round of 16 is no easy feat.

Jesus I'd completely forgotten that Mexico lost to 'murica in 2002. How did y'all react? Yikes.
 
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This is almost as bad as the Cristiano thread...
 
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AztecComplex

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Hollywood Duo said:
Easily. It's different players, managers, opponents and playing location. How can you claim that there is something just genetic about Mexican players where they can't go past the round of 16.
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Dont act as if 100% of everyine gets replaced and dont leave a mark. Its the same young age development, same local teams, and for the most part same upper management. Or will you say Germany's 2014 win was also a fluke since they're not the same players from 1990?
 
Mivey

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This WC is so insane, wouldn't be surprised if they made it quarter or semi-finals.
 

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Mimosa97 said:
Wow. You actually make a good point. You can salute their consistency though. Qualifying to the round of 16 is no easy feat.

Jesus I'd completely forgotten that Mexico lost to 'murica in 2002. How did y'all react? Yikes.
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It settled a debt we had with the US related to water usage.

But no, it was horrible.
 
IggyChooChoo

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AztecComplex said:
The most consistently mediocre team that is but still the most consistent. Why is that?

I'm 32 years old. The first World Cup I have a recollection of watching was USA 1994. That was the first WC that Mexico ever got out of the group stage that was not hosted by Mexico themselves. And since then to this day this are the results:

USA 1994: Mexico got through and lost to Bulgaria in Round of 16
France 1998: Mexico got through and lost to Germany in Round of 16
Korea-Japan 2002: Mexico got through and lost to the US in Round of 16
Germany 2006: Mexico got through and lost to Argentina in Round of 16
South Africa 2010: Mexico got through and lost to Argentina in Round of 16
Brazil 2014: Mexico got through and lost to Netherlands in Round of 16
Russia 2018: Mexico got through and will probably loose in Round of 16?

Thats 24 years of consistently getting out of groups (twice winning the group, the rest in 2nd) and 20 loosing in the 4th match. Remains to be seen what happens in Russia but I think the streak will continue.

I don't think theres another team in WC history that has qualified to these many straight tournaments dying in the same exact spot and if there is I'd like to know. Like I sad I'm 32 so I've never witnessed Mexico being sent off in anything before the Round of 16 stage. Not even superpowers like Spain, Italy, France or Argentina can say they've gone for this many and always get out of their groups. Sure they can say they've been world champs but then they fail to get out of a group or sometimes not even qualify like Italy.

TL;DR seven straight World Cups Mexico gets out of the group stage, 6 of them out in Round of 16, maybe 7. Mexico is the most consistently mediocre team in the history of the tournament. And I'm not saying this with pride.
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Does consistently being in the top 16 - top 9th team in the world even qualify as mediocre? That sounds like Mexico is consistently pretty good.

Edit: I understand completely why it would be frustrating from a fan's perspective, though.
 
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There is a statistic that came up during Mexico first game this WC. Mexico has been in the WC 16 times now. Making them the team that has participated the most and not won the cup.

Someone correct me if i am wrong.
 
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Mivey said:
This WC is so insane, wouldn't be surprised if they made it quarter or semi-finals.
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Brazil (if they win their match) : "I know what it's like to lose. To feel so desperately that you're right, yet to fail nonetheless. It's frightening. Turns the legs to jelly. I ask you, to what end? Dread it. Run from it. Destiny arrives all the same. And now, it's here. Or should I say, I am."
 
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AztecComplex

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for mexico there is

mexico bleeds soccer/futbol

for USA is like the 4th tier sport lol
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Try 5th. And if you're talking amateur sports then its the 6th (NCAA football draws bigger cash and crowds than soccer in the US). I think we'll see between now and the 2026 WC the MLS surpassing the NHL but thats a long time from now, if ever.
 
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AztecComplex said:
Did you even read my OP? 24 years of 7 straight World Cups qualifying to the Round of 16 is not a fluke. If we somehow get to quaterfinals then that could be considered a fluke.
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I think he is saying getting to the same spot every four years and losing every time is more coincidence than anything. The consistency can be commended, but It's not like Mexico sets out to make the round of 16 and focuses all of their efforts and resources on that.
 
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Hollywood Duo said:
Just a random fluke. It's not like these teams had the same players or manager. Be happy your team made it to the round of 16.
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You didn't think very hard about this, did you? The common factor making it not a fluke is the country and team itself.

If your logic was true (and that that was not a common factor), the results of the World Cup would be easentially random every year. They're not, and the reason they're not is that the country itself (and how they manage their team) has a huge influence on the performance of the team.
 

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I think he is saying getting to the same spot every four years and losing every time is more coincidence than anything. The consistency can be commended, but It's not like Mexico sets out to make the round of 16 and focuses all of their efforts and resources on that.
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There is also no study on why Mexico is successful in some instances (Sub 17 WC Champions twice, gold medal) the FEMEXFUT just wants to go with the flow every time.
 

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I think he is saying getting to the same spot every four years and losing every time is more coincidence than anything. The consistency can be commended, but It's not like Mexico sets out to make the round of 16 and focuses all of their efforts and resources on that.
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Tbh Mexico set all their focus and effort into making the quarter finals, so its not like far away from its objective tbh.
 
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Mexico is proudly mediocre, if we lose, that means bad for the election, but if Mexico wins there is still hope
 
Hollywood Duo

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You didn't think very hard about this, did you? The common factor making it not a fluke is the country and team itself.

If your logic was true (and that that was not a common factor), the results of the World Cup would be easentially random every year. They're not, and the reason they're not is that the country itself (and how they manage their team) has a huge influence on the performance of the team.
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So did they train their players to win the Olympic gold medal or the U 17 team to win the world cup as well? It's just the Senior World Cup when they are trained to lose in the round of 16.
 
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AztecComplex

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If and when Mexico get's inevitably beaten in this upcoming Round of 16 match against Brazil I'll come back and bump this thread. It'll be 7/7 WCs qualified and all out in the 4th match. Our record will never be broken!
 
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AztecComplex

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Came here to bump this thread.

So the streak continues. Seventh straight World Cup eliminated in Round of 16. Thats 24 years of seeing Mexico out in the exact same spot and for a 32 year old like me that's been all my life since I can remember.

Like I said in the OP, Mexico is the most consistent team in World Cup history.
 
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AztecComplex

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NoRéN said:
At least they made it to the World Cup, though.

OP is right. Mexico is consistent.
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The last time Mexico played a 5th match was in 1986 during their own goddamn World Cup. How much do you wanna bet Mexico won't play a Quarterfinals game again until Mex/Can/USA 2026? But with 48 nations I dont even know anymore how the tournament will be organized so maybe now it takes 5 games just to get to the Round of 16? Who knows.
 
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