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Nightengale

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I mean, sure? I'm not sure what that's supposed to mean. The results of the survey are still being used to absolve Sony of their demonstrably regressive position on this issue.

It's an article written based on the results of a professionally conducted quantitative survey - done by one of the top 5 consumer/data research companies in the world.

Had the result of the survey been the opposite of what we got - would you say the same?

It's a good thing for more information like this to be made available to the general public.
 

Heromanz

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Yes Nintendo and Xbox will gang up on Sony. Especially Nintendo that is know by thier world-renowned for online gameplay. I Can't Wait playing pubg using my cell phone headphone switch hook up with my Xbox friend
 

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It's an article written based on the results of a professionally conducted quantitative survey - done by one of the top 5 consumer/data research companies in the world.

Had the result of the survey been the opposite of what we got - would you say the same?

It's a good thing for more information like this to be made available to the general public.
I'm not saying anything about the survey at all, i am talking about the article, which is using those results to defend Sony's position. I never said anything about the survey,
 

Mugman

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Disagree that people don't care about this. I've already seen multiple people on Facebook that aren't savvy on games talking about all of this fortnite stuff. If it were any other game the fuss wouldn't be as big, but this is something that's gaining some kind of traction right now
 

Bjones

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What the most absurd thing about all of this is I don't think Nintendo is actively doing anything. They just don't care.

MS is using it as PR as they should. It's a good thing.

Sony's big problem isn't really not allowing crossplay. It's that they are not allowing a 3rd party account system to be able to be used with psn and other platforms.
 

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Yes Nintendo and Xbox will gang up on Sony. Especially Nintendo that is know by thier world-renowned for online gameplay. I Can't Wait playing pubg using my cell phone headphone switch hook up with my Xbox friend
More whataboutism, awww yisss

Just think: even a company as archaic as Nintendo allows cross platform play, but Sony does not. Nintendo is making Sony's online policies look bad.

Think about that.
 

Balmung421

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That article pointing to the survey was back in April. Pretty sure the whole dialogue has changed since then now that Fortnite on the switch happened.

Ipsos should conduct that survey again.
 

Golden Helmet

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I think the bigger issue is that the "bedrock" version of Minecraft isn't coming to any PlayStation platform (currently) as XBL is so entwined into the engine.
 

Nightengale

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I'm not saying anything about the survey at all, i am talking about the article, which is using those results to defend Sony's position. I never said anything about the survey,

I apologise then. I mistakenly assumed that you were talking about the survey results in regards to your mental gymnastics statement - and I didn't appreciate that as a former Ipsos employee.
 

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That Microsoft has been blocking cross-play for years is a fact. As I said, Sony's decision to block it now is anti-consumer (so no, I'm not defending them) but Microsoft should be the last one calling them out for this for this reason.
Why? They changed, Sony did not. They're allowed to call Sony out on it now if they want to.
Or is your standard of purity tests literally "I did something bad once, i am never allowed to comment on morality again"?
 

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I apologise then. I mistakenly assumed that you were talking about the survey results in regards to your mental gymnastics statement - and I didn't appreciate that as a former Ipsos employee.
That's alright, I'll edit the post to make it clear I mean the article.
I have no issues with the survey, it's just data. Data is what it is, in the end. It's how people run with it that can be good or bad.
 

BeeKaine

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Yes Nintendo and Xbox will gang up on Sony. Especially Nintendo that is know by thier world-renowned for online gameplay. I Can't Wait playing pubg using my cell phone headphone switch hook up with my Xbox friend

Can't wait to be blocked from playing games on my other system because Sony locked my account out.

Apparently an awkward voice chat set up is literally worse than not being able to play your game!
 

KillingJoke

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To me cross play is overrated. How fun can it be fun playing against people with inferior/superior specs and inferior/superior controls? It's not a level playing field. Unless all titles are identical which is not the case with most these cross play games so far.

Cross progress could be a real game changer but unless all 3rd party publishers (which would then need a boat load of 3rd party accounts) are on board it's kind of a dead end feature.
 

IIFloodyII

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Okay, but the point: if it was okay then, it is okay now. People with vested interests (we know exactly what vested interests) are far too willing to dogpile on MS, while letting much more blatant exhibitions of similar behavior from Sony slide.
Oh, sure, I'd do the same thing it both positions as it's just easy good PR, whilst also highlighting a advantage your system has over the other, with minimum effort. And if/when the pressure gets too much and the other bends and allow the feature, you get a free win too, which is more good free PR.

The people who are bothered by it are bothered by it for very clear reasons. They won't change and would love it if it was Sony doing it instead.
 

Bleedorang3

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Using the internet to its fullest? Lol that doesn't even mean anything. If you truly wanted that, go to the PC instead of the walled gardens of consoles where restrictions are the norm. As for arbitrarily... you don't know the meaning of the word. This is Sony's policy, they're not randomly restricting things. I want Sony to allow crossplay as much as the next guy, but this is just irrational ranting. There's nothing anti-consumer here. Sony didn't sell the PS4 as having crossplay. You weren't defrauded or mislead.

You aren't owed, as a PS4 owner, to demand how Sony runs its infrastructure anymore than you are owed the ability to order a Big Mac at Wendy's.

Yes, the Internet is built on a set of protocols that are well understood and have been operating for many, many years now. The internet is not Sony's infrastructure lol. And, yes, the policy is arbitrary when it is imposing a restriction on what is otherwise an open and interconnected system.

Your analogies are horrible as well. Feeling obligated to order a Big Mac at Wendys would be analogous to feeling obligated to play Sea of Thieves on PS4. Nobody here is arguing that companies should be forced to release their games on other platforms.

I am, however, free to order a Big Mac from McDonalds, and invite my friend who has just ordered a Dave's Classic from Wendy's to come sit down with me and McDonalds, and we can both eat our sandwiches together, right there in the McDonalds. Imagine if the manager of said McDonalds stopped said friend at the door and refused to let us eat together just because he bought his sandwich somewhere else? THAT is just as ridiculous and arbitrary a restriction as not allowing crossplay once the developer has done the work.
 
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i-hate-u

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Or was "used games and no DRM" just marketing and positive PR spin by Sony?

The way I understood was that Sony was 80/20 on no DRM, and closed the case on it after the outrage proceeding the XB1 reveal.

They doubled down hard on that point during E3 2013, which I would say is a marketing move and a positive PR spin by Sony.
 

mute

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Why does Nintendo want any piece of that pie? Doing pretty well with the Switch's install base itself. Cross platform play does not hurt or benefit Switch sales in any way.
Why does Nintendo want people playing on their platform? They are growing sure, but you don't just stop looking for customers because the numbers are looking good.
 

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The way I understood was that Sony was 80/20 on no DRM, and closed the case on it after the outrage proceeding the XB1 reveal.

They doubled down hard on that point during E3 2013, which I would say is a marketing move and a positive PR spin by Sony.
Yes. highlighting an obvious advantage for positive PR and easy marketing. That's what Sony did. That's what MS is doing now. It being marketing doesn't mean there isn't an inherent advantage in question which is being trumped to begin with.

Sony allows cross play with pc and mobile. Switch should be allowed too though.
Why should total cross platform play not be allowed?
 

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Why does Nintendo want people playing on their platform? They are growing sure, but you don't just stop looking for customers because the numbers are looking good.
So the only way for Switch sales to grow is by getting access to the PSN playerbase for matchmaking in third party games? That's the only way for Switch sales to continue to grow?
 

christocolus

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Blocking cross-play is anti-consumer and Sony deserves to be called out for this.

Yet it's funny that Microsoft is the one calling them out, since it was Microsoft who has been blocking cross-play for years, until they went for a new strategy where cross-play actually benefits them.

The only pro-consumer companies are the ones who never blocked cross-play in the first place.
Lol.
 

rakkadakka

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Not really a surprising result considering how many on this gaming centric forum don't care or think it's a good move by Sony.
 

Complicated

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This survey says that crossplay would not affect people's choice of console which goes against what Sony is saying. Business reasons. If crossplay doesn't change people's choice of platform what business reasons does Sony have for blocking it?
 

N.Domixis

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Yes. highlighting an obvious advantage for positive PR and easy marketing. That's what Sony did. That's what MS is doing now. It being marketing doesn't mean there isn't an inherent advantage in question which is being trumped to begin with.


Why should total cross platform play not be allowed?
Sony and switch arent direct competitors so it doesn't make sensw why it's blocked.
 

sleepInsom

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Yes, the Internet is built on a set of protocols that are well understood and have been operating for many, many years now. The internet is not Sony's infrastructure lol. And, yes, the policy is arbitrary when it is imposing a restriction on what is otherwise an open and interconnected system.

I understand how the internet works, likely far more than you do. That doesn't answer my question. Consoles are a closed network. Are you denying that? If so, you can not deny that you are restricted to what you can access and what information gets sent out. This isn't anything new, nor were you made to believe otherwise. Expecting a console to suddenly operate as if it's a PC is asanine. And do yourself a favor and look up the word arbitrary. Just because a device is connected to the Internet it doesn't mean you have the right to expect it to operate in a manner it wasn't intended to. I get you're upset, but your arguments are nonsensical when you're equating a company doing something you don't like as anti-consumer while you have no idea what that label means.

So go ahead and order your Big Mac at Wendy's, or get caught bringing outside food into a movie theater. I'm sure they'll take you seriously when you're ranting bout your rights being violated.
 

Abu

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I just wanna play fortnite on my Xbox with my playstation friends y'all. Why can't we get this rolling? Brotha ain't gonna drop cash on a ps4 for one game.

Cmon
 

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My guess would be because then they are forced to participate on an equal playing ground. They cannot leverage their current success to outplay their competition. Similar to Poker I suppose.
Outplay the competition based on the strength of your product. Sony already has the best offering, they will outsell MS on the basis of that.

Because people are going to buy Switch for Pokemon, Mario, and Zelda, they're not going to buy it because they can play Rocket League and Fortnite with PS4 players.
 
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Nintendo and Microsoft want a slice of that pie.

Again. I don't understand how this helps ms at all. Why would I buy Microsoft over Sony if I can play my favorite games with my Xbox friends anyways. Jesus people are looking at this entirely wrong. This will hurt ms, it will hurt them bad. There is no "pie" they get a piece of. I love my Xbox but I play all my multiplat form multiplayer games on it because all my friends are on it. I HIGHLY prefer my Sony exclusives. I wouldn't even own an Xbox if cross play was allowed on Sony, just as my other friends wouldn't either. (The ones who purchase both)
 
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Really good and well written article - sums up Sony's predicament well - even though I understand Sony's stance on this, and their business concerns, I still maintain that cross play can only help all consoles by creating the largest playerbase for all and the goodwill it would generate - as long as PlayStation stays appealing in its own right people will still buy the console in large numbers.
 

Bleedorang3

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I understand how the internet works, likely far more than you do. That doesn't answer my question. Consoles are a closed network. Are you denying that? If so, you can not deny that you are restricted to what you can access and what information gets sent out. This isn't anything new, nor were you made to believe otherwise. Expecting a console to suddenly operate as if it's a PC is asanine. And do yourself a favor and look up the word arbitrary. Just because a device is connected to the Internet it doesn't mean you have the right to expect it to operate in a manner it wasn't intended to. I get you're upset, but your arguments are nonsensical when you're equating a company doing something you don't like as anti-consumer while you have no idea what that label means.

Dude, you keep doubling down on your flawed arguments and it's not doing you any favors. Your analogies are bad, and your argument is even worse. I do have a right to choose what devices I buy. Consoles are literal PCs, just running a different OS than Windows. The manner in which they accomplish network connections is exactly the same as the way PCs establish network connections.

Read this as to why your analogies suck:

Your analogies are horrible as well. Feeling obligated to order a Big Mac at Wendys would be analogous to feeling obligated to play Sea of Thieves on PS4. Nobody here is arguing that companies should be forced to release their games on other platforms.

I am, however, free to order a Big Mac from McDonalds, and invite my friend who has just ordered a Dave's Classic from Wendy's to come sit down with me and McDonalds, and we can both eat our sandwiches together, right there in the McDonalds. Imagine if the manager of said McDonalds stopped said friend at the door and refused to let us eat together just because he bought his sandwich somewhere else? THAT is just as ridiculous and arbitrary a restriction as not allowing crossplay once the developer has done the work.
 

Yerffej

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It just looks bad for Sony, period. Not really sure why people think MS is looking for this to do anything more than build good will. That's the only mode they are in right now.
 

ghostcrew

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Why? Do you post this in every new crossplay thread or only in this one since this is pointing out how majority don't care about crossplay?

I haven't even read the article, I didnt know it said that. Does that statement alone make it worthy of its own thread? Thread title should've maybe been? 'GI.biz: majority don't care about crossplay'?
 

Judge

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I love how we have to keep hearing studies and surveys about how little people care, and then others use these to go "seeeeee!!!".

This is an ENTHUSIAST forum, so stop being surprised that people here talk about it and want it to change, despite what the general public thinks.
 
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violent

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Outplay the competition based on the strength of your product. Sony already has the best offering, they will outsell MS on the basis of that.

Best is very subjective, of course. And while I agree that Sony's current success has a lot to do with their software offerings, Fortnite right now is a cash-cow and seeing as they have the most to lose by creating equal-footing, it doesn't surprise me that they're locking down their system.

That's not to say that it doesn't suck royally for a large number of consumers. It does and that sucks. But there is a big difference between what we want and what Sony wants and they are going to make decisions that will protect themselves before us. Fucking business, man. It's dirty.