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Mutagenic

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I gave the rFactor 2 demo a chance and I have to say, that wasn't bad! So I caved in and bought the game for 15 Euro (Steam sales yay!).
I love the AI and the game play feels really good, I love how clean the game looks, the sense of speed vs AC and how it performs on my outdated hardware (GTX 970 on a 144Hz 1440p screen is not always pretty).

However I'm kinda disappointed in the stock content compared to Assetto Corsa. No GT3 cars, no LMP cars or big brands (Audi, BMW etc), no circuit de la Sarte, no SPA etc. Guess I should have done some more homework, oops!. To alleviate this, are here any must have expansion packs (GT3 pack?) and mods that I definitely should grab?

On a side note, I also tried out Raceroom since it was free but oh boy, I did not like that so much content is walled off, I understand the game is free but I have no idea how much money i'd end up spending. the game played very smooth though!
I was wondering the same thing re: rFactor 2 DLC. The summer pack price seems decent (although its nearly double the price of the base game!). It doesn't say whether the endurance pack is discounted during the Steam sale so I'd assume not. With those two packs, it looks like you'd own nearly everything for the game. You almost need to buy all this stuff due to the lack of content in the base product.
 

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Does anyone here have any Pimax impressions? I've just read two on the iRacing forums, but they're quite negative.

Any positivity out there? The Pimax seemed like the dream sim racing product... although I guess these units are still Beta kits?
Got a link please Marvel?
No mention of the 200 degree FoV? That would be the big USP for me.
 
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Can't say I'm surprised, although comparing the Rift to my calibrated plasma I think everything is way too oversaturated. Got me wondering if the cartoony look of VR is in fact mostly down to colour calibration, the Pimax having 'dull colours' is in fact more accurate but I guess if people are used to watching a Dynamic like picture mode it would look worse to them.

I wasted another hour yesterday repositioning my sequential shifter and handbrake, wasn't quite right in VR. Moved the sequential up higher and closer to the wheel with a couple of corner brackets and then the handbrake outside and higher. Will have to test more to see how I like it as I ended up driving an H-Shift KTM X-bow!
 

marvelharvey

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Got a link please Marvel?
No mention of the 200 degree FoV? That would be the big USP for me.
Can't say I'm surprised, although comparing the Rift to my calibrated plasma I think everything is way too oversaturated. Got me wondering if the cartoony look of VR is in fact mostly down to colour calibration, the Pimax having 'dull colours' is in fact more accurate but I guess if people are used to watching a Dynamic like picture mode it would look worse to them.

I wasted another hour yesterday repositioning my sequential shifter and handbrake, wasn't quite right in VR. Moved the sequential up higher and closer to the wheel with a couple of corner brackets and then the handbrake outside and higher. Will have to test more to see how I like it as I ended up driving an H-Shift KTM X-bow!
Possibly false alarm guys. Sorry. These iRacings guys are discussing the already released 4K headset, not the soon-to-be-released 5K/8K. I'm wasn't up to speed on my Pimax naming conventions.
 

Mascot

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Possibly false alarm guys. Sorry. These iRacings guys are discussing the already released 4K headset, not the soon-to-be-released 5K/8K. I'm wasn't up to speed on my Pimax naming conventions.
Blame iRacing for their coffin-fouling draconian forum-viewing policies. Florence Nightingale's ghost is currently coining it in selling ethereal wet wipes to skiddy-arsed literary phantoms.
 

OldGit_Gamer

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Can't see it sadly. Perhaps it's gone.

Just got in and it's still up, it's taking a forknobbing age to dl through connecting to the server though.

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Soulstoner

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To anyone with a Next Level Racing Motion Platform:

Forza 7 was updated to output telemetry data. I contacted NLR to ask if they plan on supporting Forza 7, as well as The Crew 2, and they confirmed they are working on both.

Not exactly the best simulators, but I'm still looking forward to playing around in them.
 

Mutagenic

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rFactor 2 is weird. I feel like I have amazing feedback with some of the slower cars like the Megane, but then when racing around with the GT2 Corvette, I get far less feedbackl/resistance, and it also feels like the degree of rotation may be larger (should be the opposite). I do have 'vehicle set' checked and I'm launching as admin.
 

TJP

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rF2 is very idiosyncratic.

rF2:
  • Requires a MB with PCIe 3.0 to run 'properly' i.e. at the best frame rate for the hardware,
  • Requires a CPU with fantastic single core performance as multithreaded performance wasn't considered by ISI at the time,
  • Requires a great GPU (GTX 1080 or better) for industry average looking results,
  • Requires a restart once you select your input method otherwise the wheel and pedals won't register,
  • Software was created as a modding platform with little to no official guides until recently,
  • Tyres used to take up to several days to be built by the sim & only now do we have a range of official tyres,
  • Official mods made by the new development vary in GPU performance,
  • Quality of official content varies from proof of concept (anything off-road), oddball (delivery van) to completed but not kept up to date with new tyre modelling, physics or weather in the case of tracks, and
  • Physics are world class with input from rFactor Pro however there is no simulation of hybrid or 4WD systems as yet.
Underneath is an amazing simulation with tonnes of potential and I hope S397 can unlock rF2 from its raw but potentially great phase.

That said, I do understand why people give up and play other sims instead
 
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I gave the rFactor 2 demo a chance and I have to say, that wasn't bad! So I caved in and bought the game for 15 Euro (Steam sales yay!).
I love the AI and the game play feels really good, I love how clean the game looks, the sense of speed vs AC and how it performs on my outdated hardware (GTX 970 on a 144Hz 1440p screen is not always pretty).

However I'm kinda disappointed in the stock content compared to Assetto Corsa. No GT3 cars, no LMP cars or big brands (Audi, BMW etc), no circuit de la Sarte, no SPA etc. Guess I should have done some more homework, oops!. To alleviate this, are here any must have expansion packs (GT3 pack?) and mods that I definitely should grab?

On a side note, I also tried out Raceroom since it was free but oh boy, I did not like that so much content is walled off, I understand the game is free but I have no idea how much money i'd end up spending. the game played very smooth though!

I was wondering the same thing re: rFactor 2 DLC. The summer pack price seems decent (although its nearly double the price of the base game!). It doesn't say whether the endurance pack is discounted during the Steam sale so I'd assume not. With those two packs, it looks like you'd own nearly everything for the game. You almost need to buy all this stuff due to the lack of content in the base product.

RFactor 2

The main thing you need to understand is that rF2 is a platform not a game. So it needs tweaking.

As such it pretty much comes with no content my default and you need to seek out the content you want for the game outside of it. You do not need to buy the official DLC to have a good time with it. While they are not up to the same standards, many mods will do similar things. For GT3 cars there is this mod from Simtek and for GTE/LMP2 cars the Enduracers mod contains what you want.

Most of the good stuff is on the steam workshop, have a browse here:

https://steamcommunity.com/app/365960/workshop/

For the modern Le Mans track go here:
https://mega.nz/#!ptRhzLBb!9AP-kykWvskoAbAFkngLO427V588VKh3paxJfbG9Chc

For Spa go here: https://mega.nz/#!4LAWVAzI!6l329_A7EXpVsI6cgNuTTi0vYCkcmxfXHILa0-18ZkE

For all other tracks go hereand here.


Raceroom

If you find you don't get on with rF2 I would actually recommend you buy the raceroom premium pack:

http://game.raceroom.com/store/pack/premium-pack

It contains all the content in the game and is by far the cheapest way to get everything. All of it is top notch and requires no tweaking (other than your global FFB settings) to get it up and running. There's easily hundreds of hours of content there and you have the ability to run championship seasons against the AI as you please.

If you do go ahead and get it buy it using VRP which you can get for a discount here: https://www.raceroomstore.com/shop_en/list_page?cat=24

Then buy the pack I linked above, it works out cheaper that way.

Do not, under any circumstances, buy content for Raceroom via steam, it's the worst deal. Buy the VRP then grab the premium pack (or one of the cheaper packs) via the store when discounts are on (like now).
 
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Melkaz

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RFactor 2

The main thing you need to understand is that rF2 is a platform not a game. So it needs tweaking.

Oh wow much appreciated! I will definitely check it all out when I'm home tonight. I played about 2 more hours yesterday and I think rF2 will stratch the itch. If it turns out to be not what I was looking for i'll might dip into Raceroom. Thanks for the suggestion to ignore steam.

I should only be careful of the rabbit hole, I now own AC, rF2, the free version of RaceRoom and I play F1 2017(soon 2018) quite a lot as well while I don't have that much free time anymore. I better play the games I own and their content before I buy everything available.
 

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RFactor is something I have never been able to get into, I have Automobilista and thinking of grabbing the Premium pack on Raceroom, have given up entirely with Project Cars 2...
 

Mascot

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AMS is amazing; personally I think you are nuts not to own it. Patrick at RD is a one man army when it comes to AMS mods: https://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/authors/patrick-giranthon.525/ The tracks may not be 100% spot on however they are as good to look at and run as well as the Reiza made content.
I always feel like I'm missing out on something special by not playing AMS, but you know my thoughts about pancake racing in the 21st century. Do they have any plans at all to implement VR in this title of the next? Have any modders done anything?
 

TJP

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I always feel like I'm missing out on something special by not playing AMS, but you know my thoughts about pancake racing in the 21st century. Do they have any plans at all to implement VR in this title of the next? Have any modders done anything?
I understand no VR = No play however that means no GTR 2, GT Legends, Power and Glory mod or LFS. Seems to much to miss out on IMO but I am not here to tell you what to play!

AMS will never get VR support from Reiza as it is DX9 based and Reiza are on to their next project and I very much doubt modders will add VR to AMS as it is a niche sim versus AC, pC2 and rF2. R3E is lower in userbase #'s than rF2!

That said, LFS (DX9 based) has VR and I believe RBR has VR too.
 
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Hold onto your undercarriage, people - there are FREE tracks available for AC from those fucknugget shysters at RTM..!

https://www.rtm-mods.com/freetracks

The Top Gear test track is worth a look. The others... naaaah.
Is this a new Top Gear Test Track? I have one that I never use because it's hardly any better than the rF2 official content unbranded one and doesn't stand a chance against Forza's version, which already is visibly inaccurate.
did I just out myself to have watched a ton of Top Gear? -.-

AMS will never get VR support from Reiza as it is DX9 based and Reiza are on to their next project and I very much doubt modders will add VR to AMS as it is a niche sim versus AC, pC2 and rF2. R3E is lower in userbase #'s than rF2!

My money is on Reiza going Unreal Engine and support VR in the next title, it's very cost efficient, if you're a niche 3D title.

By the way, am I the only one that fears EVERY sim racing title under the sun was aiming for going Unreal right at the Sector 3 showed/leaked their first experimental shots?
I say fear because they might end up looking very similar in the first iteration until some shader, lighting and weather/ToD gurus are hired to shake things up again for the next titles
 

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Just spent an hour with AMS and I have to say I... I don't like it.

The best way I can describe it is RFactor 2 circa 2013 but with a polished interface with a decent amount of content. It's janky, it looks about a decade old, performance wasn't great for some reason and the AI seemed to have Assetto Corsaitis. The FFB is the only thing that I would say is decent and even that doesn't feel quite right on my T500rs. To top it all off the paddle presses weren't registering consistently with my F1 rim and I don't have that problem in any other game.

Think I'm going to process a refund unfortunately. Looking at the content in the game I don't think there's anything that I'll miss that I can't get in other games.
 

Mascot

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Just spent an hour with AMS and I have to say I... I don't like it.

The best way I can describe it is RFactor 2 circa 2013 but with a polished interface with a decent amount of content. It's janky, it looks about a decade old, performance wasn't great for some reason and the AI seemed to have Assetto Corsaitis. The FFB is the only thing that I would say is decent and even that doesn't feel quite right on my T500rs. To top it all off the paddle presses weren't registering consistently with my F1 rim and I don't have that problem in any other game.

Think I'm going to process a refund unfortunately. Looking at the content in the game I don't think there's anything that I'll miss that I can't get in other games.
You've given me the confidence to say that I thought rF2 looked like ass when I tried it last week, and that was with everything maxed at 4k/60.
Phew! I feel liberated!
 

Mutagenic

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Raceroom

If you find you don't get on with rF2 I would actually recommend you buy the raceroom premium pack:

http://game.raceroom.com/store/pack/premium-pack

It contains all the content in the game and is by far the cheapest way to get everything. All of it is top notch and requires no tweaking (other than your global FFB settings) to get it up and running. There's easily hundreds of hours of content there and you have the ability to run championship seasons against the AI as you please.

If you do go ahead and get it buy it using VRP which you can get for a discount here: https://www.raceroomstore.com/shop_en/list_page?cat=24

Then buy the pack I linked above, it works out cheaper that way.

Do not, under any circumstances, buy content for Raceroom via steam, it's the worst deal. Buy the VRP then grab the premium pack (or one of the cheaper packs) via the store when discounts are on (like now).
This is such a dangerous thing to be telling someone who can't seem to control himself during these sales. I just purchased AMS + all content, AC: UE, and rFactor 2 + all content. I just watched Jimmy play R3E and it looks good despite its own issues.

I'm really enjoying the Stock Car Brazil season content in AMS. I've never raced on many of these tracks and it's been a joy. Good physics and FFB, and zero technical issues.
 

OldGit_Gamer

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This is such a dangerous thing to be telling someone who can't seem to control himself during these sales. I just purchased AMS + all content, AC: UE, and rFactor 2 + all content. I just watched Jimmy play R3E and it looks good despite its own issues.

I'm really enjoying the Stock Car Brazil season content in AMS. I've never raced on many of these tracks and it's been a joy. Good physics and FFB, and zero technical issues.

Pop into my twitch stream later, I'll show ya the Zonda R, that'll push you over the edge to full content. ;)
 

Dave_6

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Well I have absolutely zero interest in sim racing right now. I really haven't sat down and raced for more than 20 mins in almost two months (and that's maybe once a week). I know I've had a lot going on but it's just blah to me. I've even contemplated selling my OSW, wheel, pedals etc except for the rig.

I don't know, just been a roller coaster of a life lately.
 

Mutagenic

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Yeah checking it out real quick while I have a moment. Game looks good, although all these sims start to blend together st some point. Great sounds with that game. I'll probably pick it up.
 

TJP

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Just spent an hour with AMS and I have to say I... I don't like it.

The best way I can describe it is RFactor 2 circa 2013 but with a polished interface with a decent amount of content. It's janky, it looks about a decade old, performance wasn't great for some reason and the AI seemed to have Assetto Corsaitis. The FFB is the only thing that I would say is decent and even that doesn't feel quite right on my T500rs. To top it all off the paddle presses weren't registering consistently with my F1 rim and I don't have that problem in any other game. Think I'm going to process a refund unfortunately. Looking at the content in the game I don't think there's anything that I'll miss that I can't get in other games.
At least you tried AMS and can refund the purchase cost. Probably the first time I've read AMS being janky and a performance hog.

FWIW, I've read people say AMS is little more than a well polished rFactor mod however there is a lot Reiza added to the sim. No arguing AMS looks its age now, even with updated shaders and post processing; I ignore the graphics as the FFB and physics are great.

You've given me the confidence to say that I thought rF2 looked like ass when I tried it last week, and that was with everything maxed at 4k/60. Phew! I feel liberated!
I'm surprised a 980Ti can max rF2 at 4K!

I doubt anyone would argue rF2 is a looker unless their eyes don't work. Most of the sims look either old and/or unrealistic outside of the photo wank mode. I've stated in this very thread rF2 looks like arse and adding Yebis is akin to adding lipstick on a pig and I'm an rF2 fan..I can only imagine what everyone else thinks. Silverstone in a GT3 or GTE car is the best rF2 gets and one of the best experiences in racing sims today.

The best looking recently released driving/racing game is Wreckfest, complete with OTT damage modelling and 'relaxed' physics; it shades very nearly ever game/sim mentioned in this thread.
 

Mascot

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Well I have absolutely zero interest in sim racing right now. I really haven't sat down and raced for more than 20 mins in almost two months (and that's maybe once a week). I know I've had a lot going on but it's just blah to me. I've even contemplated selling my OSW, wheel, pedals etc except for the rig.

I don't know, just been a roller coaster of a life lately.
I think we all go through that at some point Dave, and it's completely understandable given your recent circumstances. Hang in there, the mojo will return. I've got things to sort out with new hardware which is damping my enthusiasm right now, plus I never game much during the summer anyway. Don't do anything rash. RD is full of people selling new kit because they suddenly lose interest. I always wonder how many of them don't end up regretting it a month or two later.
 

marvelharvey

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I'm surprised a 980Ti can max rF2 at 4K!
My old 980ti struggled, and that was before DX11 came with it's GPU intensive lipstick. Although I was rendering 20 cars. Perhaps Mascot, you're on an empty track? Or has rF2 performance improved that much over the years?
Well I have absolutely zero interest in sim racing right now. I really haven't sat down and raced for more than 20 mins in almost two months (and that's maybe once a week). I know I've had a lot going on but it's just blah to me. I've even contemplated selling my OSW, wheel, pedals etc except for the rig.

I don't know, just been a roller coaster of a life lately.
The loss of parent is simply horrible and grief is a process we all have to push through. It may seem distant, but your interest in hobbies will eventually return and you'll want your OSW and pedals when it does.
 

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Well I have absolutely zero interest in sim racing right now. I really haven't sat down and raced for more than 20 mins in almost two months (and that's maybe once a week). I know I've had a lot going on but it's just blah to me. I've even contemplated selling my OSW, wheel, pedals etc except for the rig.

I don't know, just been a roller coaster of a life lately.

Take some time out from everything if possible mate, and by "everything" I mean the Internet as well. If you have the means to go travelling for a couple of weeks (or even a month or more) do it and go explore some areas of the world you've never been to before. Take some time to reflect, do new things, meet new people, explore new places, see some nature etc and stay away from anything tech related as much as possible.

Then when you come back you'll know whether sim racing (and maybe even gaming as a whole) is something you still want in your life or not. If it is you'll at least have a new level of appreciation for it.

When you're going through what you are sometimes you just need to break the rhythm and do something different.

At least you tried AMS and can refund the purchase cost. Probably the first time I've read AMS being janky and a performance hog.

FWIW, I've read people say AMS is little more than a well polished rFactor mod however there is a lot Reiza added to the sim. No arguing AMS looks its age now, even with updated shaders and post processing; I ignore the graphics as the FFB and physics are great.

After doing some reading last night it seems that setting the FFB to the 360hz setting can cause some performance issues. I'll try setting it to 180hz and give it another go for about 30 minutes before deciding what to do. If I refund it I might just buy the simbin bundle instead, Gtr2 can't look any worse than this! (although that's probably the nostalgia goggles telling me that!)
 

TJP

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My old 980ti struggled, and that was before DX11 came with it's GPU intensive lipstick. Although I was rendering 20 cars. Perhaps Mascot, you're on an empty track? Or has rF2 performance improved that much over the years?
I am happy to overlook gMotor's many shortcomings as the driving in rF2 on a rubbered up track, is for me, sublime.

The lipstick on a pig comment about rF2 is somewhat hyperbolic.

rF2 overall may be the weakest visually of the modern sims however I'd put Silverstone (with low PP) in a GT3 or GTE up against any other sim. It's one track ISI nailed and little wonder it appears in most rF2 screenshots!
 
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Mascot

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I'm surprised a 980Ti can max rF2 at 4K!

This was in the demo, track is Toban and I think I was up against just a couple of cars (Renaults?). But yeah, it was running at 60fps with everything maxed, at least for the half hour I spent with it. Still looked like ass though..!
:P
 

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I think we all go through that at some point Dave, and it's completely understandable given your recent circumstances. Hang in there, the mojo will return. I've got things to sort out with new hardware which is damping my enthusiasm right now, plus I never game much during the summer anyway. Don't do anything rash. RD is full of people selling new kit because they suddenly lose interest. I always wonder how many of them don't end up regretting it a month or two later.

The loss of parent is simply horrible and grief is a process we all have to push through. It may seem distant, but your interest in hobbies will eventually return and you'll want your OSW and pedals when it does.

Take some time out from everything if possible mate, and by "everything" I mean the Internet as well. If you have the means to go travelling for a couple of weeks (or even a month or more) do it and go explore some areas of the world you've never been to before. Take some time to reflect, do new things, meet new people, explore new places, see some nature etc and stay away from anything tech related as much as possible.

Then when you come back you'll know whether sim racing (and maybe even gaming as a whole) is something you still want in your life or not. If it is you'll at least have a new level of appreciation for it.

When you're going through what you are sometimes you just need to break the rhythm and do something different.

Probably not helping either that my girlfriend is going through some personal issues and I don't know where that's headed, plus I had to euthanize my 15 year old cat yesterday (had him since 2004). It's been a rough two months to say the least. The woman I'm dating was really helping but now that she's having her own issues, the reality of my life is coming back in a huge way.

Thanks though guys. I'm not going to sell my stuff I don't think. Just gotta keep my head on straight and power through this.
 

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Finally got the RSS Formula Hybrid 2018 mod and dear lord, what an amazing job they did. It's even more amazing considering I spent less than $5 to get a more realistic driving car than what CM put out every year
 

Melkaz

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RFactor 2
GTE/LMP2 cars the Enduracers mod contains what you want.

For Spa go here: https://mega.nz/#!4LAWVAzI!6l329_A7EXpVsI6cgNuTTi0vYCkcmxfXHILa0-18ZkE

Raceroom

If you do go ahead and get it buy it using VRP which you can get for a discount here: https://www.raceroomstore.com/shop_en/list_page?cat=24
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First of all, thanks for the tip regarding the rFactor 2 endurance pack, I drove around Spa yesterday and it was pretty damn sweet! The only down side was the FPS hit, I guess these non offical mods do impact FPS. I need to retire the damn GTX 970, give me the 11xx series :(

I also tried the Raceroom demo for about an hour and I must say, I do kinda like it but 75 Euro's is quite a lot of money if you already own AC+all DLC and rFactor 2. But do I understand it correctly I can buy the VRP pack for 49,95 which is worth 75 Euro and then with those VRP i can buy the Premium pack with all that goddamn content? that sounds like a pretty decent deal!
 

marvelharvey

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This was in the demo, track is Toban and I think I was up against just a couple of cars (Renaults?). But yeah, it was running at 60fps with everything maxed, at least for the half hour I spent with it. Still looked like ass though..!
:P
Oh wait, you tried the demo? This is Studio 397 we're talking about here. Don't trust them to help promote their own product. The demo is 2 years old, running DX9 and no VR support.

Edit: Although it's not like DX11 makes rF2 look like Project Cars 2 or anything. It still looks like ass, but a nice ass.
 

Melkaz

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I both tried the demo and full game on the same night and I only noticed it was a different build due to some UI changes. Some tracks look better than others though!
 

marvelharvey

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First of all, thanks for the tip regarding the rFactor 2 endurance pack, I drove around Spa yesterday and it was pretty damn sweet! The only down side was the FPS hit, I guess these non offical mods do impact FPS. I need to retire the damn GTX 970, give me the 11xx series :(

I also tried the Raceroom demo for about an hour and I must say, I do kinda like it but 75 Euro's is quite a lot of money if you already own AC+all DLC and rFactor 2. But do I understand it correctly I can buy the VRP pack for 49,95 which is worth 75 Euro and then with those VRP i can buy the Premium pack with all that goddamn content? that sounds like a pretty decent deal!
I found that Spa is poorly optimised and needed to turn the detail down to medium (or maybe even low?) to get a decent framerate.