Television Displays and Technology Thread: The ERA of OLED is Now

SOLDIER · Jun 25, 2018

dallow_bg said:
You need an LCD.
You're just going to get burn in again because you leave OLED light way too high.

If you want a super bright artificial image, the Q9 is calling your name.

I tried switching to LCD back when I had the E6, and I ended up liking the E6's colors and deeper blacks more. Same thing would probably happen again in this case.

I made my choice and I'm satisfied. I'll just be more careful, not leave stuff on pause for too long (which is less likely to happen since the Apple TV has a screensaver).

Setzer · Jun 25, 2018

SOLDIER said:
I tried switching to LCD back when I had the E6, and I ended up liking the E6's colors and deeper blacks more. Same thing would probably happen again in this case.

I made my choice and I'm satisfied. I'll just be more careful, not leave stuff on pause for too long (which is less likely to happen since the Apple TV has a screensaver).

Wait a sec...you got burn-in with a previous OLED you had and you went back to it?

SOLDIER · Jun 25, 2018

Setzer said:
Wait a sec...you got burn-in with a previous OLED you had and you went back to it?

No, I got a new OLED.

When I got the first one I also got an LCD to see which I preferred. Ultimately decided on OLED.

Deleted member 14649 · Jun 25, 2018

I don't understand how people even watch SDR with OLED light at 100 without hurting their eyes. Mine is at 42 and is plenty bright enough.

Smokey · Jun 26, 2018

Jesus Jurassic World:Fallen Kingdom was intense af in Dolby Cinema.

Ok movie. But I'm glad I got to experience in that manner.

FuturaBold · Jun 26, 2018

Smokey said:
Jesus Jurassic World:Fallen Kingom was intense af in Dolby Cinema.

Ok movie. But I'm glad I got to experience in that manner.

The Dolby Atmos mix was VERY active and it was loud in my theater. My ears were worn out by the end but Fallen Kingom is a good demo for the Dolby Cinema.

DOTDASHDOT · Jun 26, 2018

guitarguy316 said:
Correct sdr is locked. But I believe normal is the accurate choice for all hdr content. Lg had to clarify since people thought it should be wide. Wide oversaturates reds and greens.

So setting hdr to normal and w45 should be more accurate if you will.

That only applies to the 2016 models, LG fixed it for 2017 and beyond.

Nightfall · Jun 26, 2018

Bauer91 said:
Is that in Game Mode? Because that's where the dimness complaints from some people are coming from, while others are saying it's fine... So that's why I'm interested in how other (new) owners feel about it.

I also get my B7 about a week ago. Haven't spent a whole lot of time gaming in HDR mode but for me it looks totally fine.
Never seen it with the old firmware so I'm not biased as well.

ɣGammaɣ · Jun 26, 2018

Kompis said:
I was almost set on getting a 75" X900F. Then i saw this video on youtube where it took 10sec just from pressing the button on the remote untill the settings menu opened.
Also when the volume was lowered/increased it was extremely laggy. Looked totally infuriating imho.

Any Sony owners here that can speak for how bad the Android TV interface really is?

After the latest update (not the one sony stopped recently) it takes a few seconds to get to the picture settings which is really irritating because it takes so looong. In the menus itself it's fine. And yes changing the volume lags big time (for me no concern using an AVR). Hope they fix it with the fix of the update.

After a reboot of the TV it surely needs 30-60 sec to load the YouTube recommendations and so on.

As I said earlier after changing the animation times and so on AND the freaking batteries of the remote it's acceptable.

Zappy · Jun 26, 2018

Punished Shammy said:
Everywhere I read it's all about cumulative use. Just about anything static enough to cause retention could hypothetically cause burn-in depending on your brightness settings and cumulated hours. I'm unfamiliar with your specific logos, but if they're white then they'll likely cause not too much issue, especially if they're transparent. It's the strong reds and yellows that cause the most issues, those colours combined with Vivid level brightness settings on your TV is almost a self-fulfilling prophecy for burn-in.

My main concerns with the idea of cumulative hours is that it makes burn-in sound inevitable. I'd hoped that the compensation cycles would help age the more abused pixels evenly allowing breaks to help reset the potential burn-in source from posing a threat with cumulated use. But most seem to say that a break don't help, if it's causing retention then a matter of hours of use will eventually lead to burn-in. Which kinda sounds terrifying to me. I mean, my OLED is almost a year and a half old, I've babied it into young youth with no signs of burn-in, I'm not wanting to upgrade for another potential 3-5 years, and I'm pretty happy with the uniformity and love the now rare 3D support. It'd kill me if I got some nasty burn-in.

Going on the AV forums and reading about the horrors of burn-in is damn terrifying for such a price-y product, especially with no guarantees of warranty. Damn wish this wasn't the inherent flaw with this otherwise beautiful technology man, it's distressing.

It is emissive tech so eventually it will burn in or the pixels will just noticeably dim.

It has a shorter life span than LED, we know that (those babies if they aren't faulty can last 20 years without picture degradation).

OLED life span depends on how hard you drive the panel (OLED light and contrast - though with increasing HDR content especially gaming this becomes unavoidable), viewing habits and probably things like average room temperature, LG have also admitted there will be panel to panel variance.

I suspect most people will have no issue for a normal TV lifespan of 4/5 years. However, as OLED becomes more mainstream it might be an issue where those casual buyers who want their sets to last 10 years with constant use, plus start picking them up.

Deleted member 35478 · Jun 26, 2018

I am going to lower OLED light to 50-60 for SDR Game Mode lol. The default 80 is probably just asking for burn in, why would LG default so high when burn in is a concern, and gaming is the easiest way to burn in with HUD's?

Smokey · Jun 26, 2018

FuturaBold said:
The Dolby Atmos mix was VERY active and it was loud in my theater. My ears were worn out by the end but Fallen Kingom is a good demo for the Dolby Cinema.

I think the potential is there for a really good UHD HDR transfer with all of the night scenes, volcanic action, and the Atmos track as mentioned.

Bumrush · Jun 26, 2018

On this topic, what are the most impressive Atmos releases for home theaters?

MosquitoSmasher · Jun 26, 2018

Crazymoogle said:
I bought the HT-X9000F a few weeks ago. It's the most impressive soundbar I've ever used, but whether you should buy it or not depends on your situation. I basically just use it with my PS4 Pro, OTA Digital HDTV and then Netflix/Kodi/Youtube/VLC through my TV.

Positives
- Sound capacity is really impressive - even at default it's just a lot better than a traditional, cheaper bar like the CT-290 or whatever.
- Near perfect ARC/HDMI-CEC with Sony TVs. Boots up fast, syncs fast.
- Not cheap but still cheaper than the Z9F
- Boomy wireless sub
- Obviously fits perfectly under the X900F, since that's what it was designed for

Worth Noting
- If you end up not hearing the difference between Atmos and Stereo, it can link to your TV through bluetooth. (Sony TVs can, dunno about LG). I haven't tried this at home but the IT show demo unit I played around with worked identical to ARC. Turning the TV on also turned on the soundbar, TV remote controlled the volume, etc.
- HDMI 2 passthrough. So if you want something with 100% access to the soundbar and can't lose the HDMI input on your TV, this does the job. On my Sony TV the passthrough device shows up on the input list, which is cool. YMMV on other sets.

Drawbacks
- 2.1 unit only. If you want a center channel go for the Z9F. Personally if I really need enhanced voice clarity I just press the VOICE button on the remote, but ultimately more speakers is better. I would say the drawback on a center channel with soundbars is ultimately that they are all so squished together. I guess it adds some clarity but I used to own one of those 20+ channel Yamaha monsters and this sounds worlds better.
- I believe you also need the Z9F to go with the optional surround back speaker pair (which are an additional cost, by the way, listed as $200 on Sony's website, dunno about Amazon)
- I wish I could say ARC is bulletproof but I did lose it once. Ended up just unplugging the TV and soundbar from the wall for 30 seconds and then everything behaved after. Not sure if it was the bar or TV, but power pull did the trick.
- Last thing on the "you should buy the Z9F list" is that the Z9F supports 3x HDMI, while this supports only one* (1 port is ARC in, the other is for the passthrough device, Z9F is 1 ARC + 3 out). Again, not a big deal for me because I don't want to attach 3 more HDMI devices and juggle two remotes to do all of the input switching. But in theory it's there.

Sadly there aren't many video reviews on this and that one review I talked about that said you can hook up two additional speakers, that's not true at all.

Anyway, one more thing for now. If I connect my Xbox to the soundbar will it degrade the picture quality or not at all? I ask this because a few years ago I had my 360 or X1 connected to a Sony home cinema receiver (receiver plus bR player in one) and it definitely degraded the picture quality significantly.

Sanctuary · Jun 26, 2018

holygeesus said:
I don't understand how people even watch SDR with OLED light at 100 without hurting their eyes. Mine is at 42 and is plenty bright enough.

Some people might have a glass atrium where they enjoy watching their OLED at noon you know? Not everyone wants to be a vampire.

I set my room to nearly pitch black when watching movies or playing games, with just unavoidable ambient light, and mine is at 40.

Bumrush said:
On this topic, what are the most impressive Atmos releases for home theaters?

John Wick 1&2, Deepwater Horizon. Blade Runner 2049 (if you can rewatch it without falling asleep). Haven't been able to check it out yet personally, but from everything I've read, The Matrix is yet again demo material for the audio.

Stouffers · Jun 26, 2018

I need a new 65" TV for a den. Most of the seating is off angle. I'm hella concerned about burn-in, so not sure if OLED is for me. I also hate a thick bezel or a TV with too much girth. I also want something lite because I'm always paranoid it's going to come off the wall and injur the children.

Thoughts?

RedlineRonin · Jun 26, 2018

Bumrush said:
Makes sense, thanks bud.

As price competitive as AVRs have gotten, i'm genuinely surprised that they're investing in a scaler. Those are dollars that could be put towards better amps, DACs etc. And 9 times out of 10 the scaling done on either the source device or the TV itself is extremely competent, if not downright outperforming the AVR, so I just don't get the design thesis at all.

For example, nothing Anthem makes, either AVRs or Pre/Pros like mine, have any sort of scaler built in at all. What goes in is what comes out.

Bumrush · Jun 26, 2018

RedlineRonin said:
As price competitive as AVRs have gotten, i'm genuinely surprised that they're investing in a scaler. Those are dollars that could be put towards better amps, DACs etc. And 9 times out of 10 the scaling done on either the source device or the TV itself is extremely competent, if not downright outperforming the AVR, so I just don't get the design thesis at all.

For example, nothing Anthem makes, either AVRs or Pre/Pros like mine, have any sort of scaler built in at all. What goes in is what comes out.

It feels like if you are spending $700-$7000 on an AVR you're probably buying an expensive TV with an expensive scaling processor. Totally understand and agree with you.

RedlineRonin · Jun 26, 2018

Bumrush said:
It feels like if you are spending $700-$7000 on an AVR you're probably buying an expensive TV with an expensive scaling processor. Totally understand and agree with you.

Yeah, I mean I obviously don't know for sure, but my guess that is 100% Anthem's thesis on the stuff they make (and I'd argue, should be Denon's when you're getting into AVRs that are >$2K). People are buying the types of source devices and panels that are likely comparable in quality, meaning that scaler is just sitting idle.

Bumrush · Jun 26, 2018

RedlineRonin said:
Yeah, I mean I obviously don't know for sure, but my guess that is 100% Anthem's thesis on the stuff they make (and I'd argue, should be Denon's when you're getting into AVRs that are >$2K). People are buying the types of source devices and panels that are likely comparable in quality, meaning that scaler is just sitting idle.

Exactly. Anthem seems pretty dope actually. All reviews I've been reading are basically "Get a Denon...or if you have the money, get an Anthem"

Sanctuary said:
John Wick 1&2, Deepwater Horizon. Blade Runner 2049 (if you can rewatch it without falling asleep). Haven't been able to check it out yet personally, but from everything I've read, The Matrix is yet again demo material for the audio.

Thanks for the response...but...oh no...that BR opinion is NOT healthy

Crazymoogle · Jun 26, 2018

Stouffers said:
I need a new 65" TV for a den. Most of the seating is off angle. I'm hella concerned about burn-in, so not sure if OLED is for me. I also hate a thick bezel or a TV with too much girth. I also want something lite because I'm always paranoid it's going to come off the wall and injur the children.

Thoughts?

Wall mounted Sony X900F or Samsung Q7FN. I really think you should see off angle in action - it's not like some TN PC display where the colors flip. Anyway, any modern OLED or LCD will be ridicuously thin and minimal bezel. Get a pro wall mount install and your TV will be rock solid. Even decent Wall mounts are built for double the weight of a lot of TVs these days, so as long as it's installed properly on the wall you'll be fine. The Sammy also has a breakout box for all the inputs if you really want to go absolutely glued to the wall.

RedlineRonin · Jun 26, 2018

Bumrush said:
On this topic, what are the most impressive Atmos releases for home theaters?

I watched Baby Driver this weekend and there are a few moments in that movie that are EXACTLY what Atmos is pitched as. You're just in a bubble of sound where you feel 100% in the environment. There's also excellent use of panning

Also I love music and the entire movie is scored extremely well.

Bumrush · Jun 26, 2018

RedlineRonin said:
I watched Baby Driver this weekend and there are a few moments in that movie that are EXACTLY what Atmos is pitched as. You're just in a bubble of sound where you feel 100% in the environment. There's also excellent use of panning

Also I love music and the entire movie is scored extremely well.

I can't wait to watch it in Atmos. I watched BD for the first time with a soundbar and was blown away by pretty much every audio aspect of the film. Can't imagine how much better it feels with true surround sound

RedlineRonin · Jun 26, 2018

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Setzer · Jun 26, 2018

So the other day I posted a couple of screenshots I took on the PS4 showing issues I was having with color banding(posterization) with several games on my LG B7. Here are a couple more I took last night, this time I was watching Westworld using the app on my Xbox One X....

Pic 1
Pic 2

This time I used my phone camera to take a picture of what I was actually looking at. Is this the fault of the TV or the source?

RedlineRonin · Jun 26, 2018

Setzer said:
So the other day I posted a couple of screenshots I took on the PS4 showing issues I was having with color banding(posterization) with several games on my LG B7. Here are a couple more I took last night, this time I was watching Westworld using the app on my Xbox One X....

Pic 1
Pic 2

This time I used my phone camera to take a picture of what I was actually looking at. Is this the fault of the TV or the source?

For WW that's 100% the source. GoT is no different. HBOs digital output is honestly embarrassing for being responsible for some of the best television shows in recent history.

Everyone was kind of comparing notes at the old place last summer as we were watching the (then current) season of GoT. It was garbage PQ whether you were on OLED or not and whether you were watching through a TV app or the apps through PS4/Xbox One.

HBO just doesn't care enough to do anything about it (yet).

Rorschacht · Jun 26, 2018

Hi, I'm having a problem with my TV's HDR and I don't know where to ask.
My TV is a Samsung HU8500 with the kit SEK3500 wich is HDR compatible.
When I set the HDR option ON, the image looks washed out and the characters from the interface's text looks like fragmented.
Here are some examples in Shadow of the Colossus:

-Ingame HDR off:

-Ingame HDR on:

-Interface HDR off:

-Interface HDR on:

The TV configuration is set in "Game mode".
Thanks in advance.

Bumrush · Jun 26, 2018

RedlineRonin said:
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Sanctuary · Jun 26, 2018

Bumrush said:
Thanks for the response...but...oh no...that BR opinion is NOT healthy

LOL. I tried watching the original when I was younger (upon release actually), and it bored me to tears. It didn't help that I was comparing it to The Empire Strikes Back though. Tried watching it again later as a young adult and zzzz. Finally, bought the Director's Cut DVD in '99, and while I still found the pacing to be lethargic, I managed to get through it. At least it had some of my favorite world building and aesthetics though. A week before going to see 2049, my best friend said that he wanted to watch the Director's Cut in 4K as a refresher, since he only saw the original a long time ago. I reminded him of how boring it was, and he said "We're adults now, we can handle talking...". "Talking" has never been an issue for me. Before the movie was over, he actually fell asleep. We both thought 2049 was an improvement, but not so much that either of us wanted to rewatch it more than once. I rewatched it because it looks way better on an OLED than the theater we watched it in.

Bumrush said:
YESSSSSS!!!!

Speak of the boring movie.

RedlineRonin said:
I watched Baby Driver this weekend and there are a few moments in that movie that are EXACTLY what Atmos is pitched as. You're just in a bubble of sound where you feel 100% in the environment. There's also excellent use of panning

Also I love music and the entire movie is scored extremely well.

Didn't get to watch it with Atmos yet, but I recently went out of town for a few weeks to stay with my aunt. A few years ago I bought her a 5.1 setup and a new 46'' TV (where at first she was saying she didn't need anything larger than her 32'' and didn't "need" more than two speakers. She quickly changed her tune after it was all setup though). She had been wanting to move for a while, so she's had a lot of non essentials packed away for the move. She also said that she thought the stereo was broken, because the sound went out on it months prior and so she just left it that way. I told her that I'd look at it when I came to visit. Initially we just watched movies through her TV, which actually had decent (for a TV) speakers, but eventually I told her that I wanted to test the stereo, and Baby Driver was the first movie we watched with it after I figured out what was wrong. Even in 5.1 that movie's audio quality is fucking excellent. After that, she commented again on how much better the movies sounded through the stereo. Duh... Next I had her watch Black Panther, Thor: Ragnarok and Spider-Man: Homecoming in preparation for Infinity War.

Bumrush · Jun 26, 2018

Sanctuary said:
LOL. I tried watching the original when I was younger (upon release actually), and it bored me to tears. It didn't help that I was comparing it to The Empire Strikes Back though. Tried watching it again later as a young adult and zzzz. Finally, bought the Director's Cut DVD in '99, and while I still found the pacing to be lethargic, I managed to get through it. At least it had some of my favorite world building and aesthetics though. A week before going to see 2049, my best friend said that he wanted to watch the Director's Cut in 4K as a refresher, since he only saw the original a long time ago. I reminded him of how boring it was, and he said "We're adults now, we can handle talking...". "Talking" has never been an issue for me. Before the movie was over, he actually fell asleep. We both thought 2049 was an improvement, but not so much that either of us wanted to rewatch it more than once. I rewatched it because it looks way better on an OLED than the theater we watched it in.

Speak of the boring movie.

Didn't get to watch it with Atmos yet, but I recently went out of town for a few weeks to stay with my aunt. A few years ago I bought her a 5.1 setup and a new 46'' TV (where at first she was saying she didn't need anything larger than her 32'' and didn't "need" more than two speakers. She quickly changed her tune after it was all setup though). She had been wanting to move for a while, so she's had a lot of non essentially packed away for the move. She also said that she thought the stereo was broken, because the sound went out on it months prior and so she just left it that way. I told her that I'd look at it when I came to visit. Initially we just watched movies through her TV, which actually had decent (for a TV) speakers, but eventually I told her that I wanted to test the stereo, and Baby Driver was the first movie we watched with it after I figured out what was wrong. Even in 5.1 that movie's audio quality is fucking excellent. After that, she commented again on how much better the movies sounded through the stereo. Duh...

Funny thing is I understand your position on BR...I also think it's a slow-ish movie and I need to be in the right mind frame when watching it, but goddamn they are beautifully crafted films.

So happy to see all of this Baby Driver audio love. I own the 4K version on iTunes...just waiting for the room to be set up

Setzer · Jun 26, 2018

RedlineRonin said:
For WW that's 100% the source. GoT is no different. HBOs digital output is honestly embarrassing for being responsible for some of the best television shows in recent history.

Everyone was kind of comparing notes at the old place last summer as we were watching the (then current) season of GoT. It was garbage PQ whether you were on OLED or not and whether you were watching through a TV app or the apps through PS4/Xbox One.

HBO just doesn't care enough to do anything about it (yet).

Just to test this, I loaded up that scene on my TV in my bedroom which is LED and while it was still there, I could barely see it....I actually had to get up right to the screen to see it. I'm sure source has to do with it but it's also how the TV processes it as well.

Jeremiah · Jun 26, 2018

RedlineRonin said:
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Do we know whether the Atmos encode will increase the overall audio bitrate? Low audio bitrate is the only thing preventing me from committing to digital.

Picture quality wise I honestly think iTunes 4k is close to UHD... don't know how they did it when comparing video to video bitrate.

RedlineRonin · Jun 26, 2018

Gn0mercy said:
Do we know whether the Atmos encode will increase the overall audio bitrate? Low audio bitrate is the only thing preventing me from committing to digital.

Picture quality wise I honestly think iTunes 4k is close to UHD... don't know how they did it when comparing video to video bitrate.

What are 4K UHD releases on iTunes now? DD? I'd imagine they'd be using the DD+ wrapper for Atmos here, which is a couple times the bitrate of DD

Setzer said:
Just to test this, I loaded up that scene on my TV in my bedroom which is LED and while it was still there, I could barely see it....I actually had to get up right to the screen to see it. I'm sure source has to do with it but it's also how the TV processes it as well.

Hmmmmm, that's interesting. What is the other TV? Also, did you try those other settings from (I think) last week?

Sanctuary · Jun 26, 2018

RedlineRonin said:
For WW that's 100% the source. GoT is no different. HBOs digital output is honestly embarrassing for being responsible for some of the best television shows in recent history.

Everyone was kind of comparing notes at the old place last summer as we were watching the (then current) season of GoT. It was garbage PQ whether you were on OLED or not and whether you were watching through a TV app or the apps through PS4/Xbox One.

HBO just doesn't care enough to do anything about it (yet).

Hugs my Season 1-6 GoT box that by default has Atmos too. It's also kind of ironic that you mentioned OLED as though that would somehow make a poor image less so. OLEDs are probably the worst panel type for lower quality sources. They are essentially analogous to high end audio for detecting flaws.

Jeremiah · Jun 26, 2018

RedlineRonin said:
What are 4K UHD releases on iTunes now? DD? I'd imagine they'd be using the DD+ wrapper for Atmos here, which is a couple times the bitrate of DD

Hmmmmm, that's interesting. What is the other TV? Also, did you try those other settings from (I think) last week?

I honestly don't know what audio Apple uses for 4K releases. When comparing Spiderman: Homecoming in iTunes vs UHD, the audio difference was sizable -- comparative to SD vs HD levels of difference for video. In my setup at least. Video was hard pressed to see a difference.

Part of me wishes I had not done the comparison, ignorance is a bliss and all that lol

RedlineRonin · Jun 26, 2018

Gn0mercy said:
the audio difference was sizable

Do you have an Atmos decoding audio device? Even with bitrates the same, you'd probably still hear a favorable difference in Atmos, based on how it's encoded

guitarguy316 · Jun 26, 2018

DOTDASHDOT said:
That only applies to the 2016 models, LG fixed it for 2017 and beyond.

Yes and I have a 2016 so normal and w45-50 more accurate.

Stouffers · Jun 26, 2018

Crazymoogle said:
Wall mounted Sony X900F or Samsung Q7FN. I really think you should see off angle in action - it's not like some TN PC display where the colors flip. Anyway, any modern OLED or LCD will be ridicuously thin and minimal bezel. Get a pro wall mount install and your TV will be rock solid. Even decent Wall mounts are built for double the weight of a lot of TVs these days, so as long as it's installed properly on the wall you'll be fine. The Sammy also has a breakout box for all the inputs if you really want to go absolutely glued to the wall.

I really like the look of the OLEDs. Is burn in just a wives tale or does it actually exist on modern displays?

RedlineRonin · Jun 26, 2018

Solid write up on Atmos over HDMI ARC. (some interesting limitations I wasn't aware of)

http://community.cedia.net/blogs/david-meyer/2018/06/25/dolby-atmos-over-hdmi-arc

Setzer · Jun 26, 2018

Stouffers said:
I really like the look of the OLEDs. Is burn in just a wives tale or does it actually exist on modern displays?

If you're only watching movies and TV shows and not watching news channel or gaming then you'll probably have 0 risk of burn-in.

If you do plan on using it for gaming or watching any content with static images then just becareful to not keep them on the screen for an extended period of time and keep OLED light to <60 for all non-HDR stuff you watch and you'll reduce your risk of burn-in.

cheeseholidays · Jun 26, 2018

Stouffers said:
I really like the look of the OLEDs. Is burn in just a wives tale or does it actually exist on modern displays?

I've seen persistence on mine occasionally, but nothing permanent. I game and watch streams with static elements pretty regularly. Though, there seems to be a fair bit of panel variance.

Stouffers · Jun 26, 2018

The last thing I was is the Fox News logo burned into my screen for the duration

SOLDIER · Jun 26, 2018

Setzer said:
If you're only watching movies and TV shows and not watching news channel or gaming then you'll probably have 0 risk of burn-in.

If you do plan on using it for gaming or watching any content with static images then just becareful to not keep them on the screen for an extended period of time and keep OLED light to <60 for all non-HDR stuff you watch and you'll reduce your risk of burn-in.

How come there's no risk of burn-in if you've got the OLED Light at 100 when watching HDR content?

Kompis · Jun 26, 2018

GammaGoblin said:
After the latest update (not the one sony stopped recently) it takes a few seconds to get to the picture settings which is really irritating because it takes so looong. In the menus itself it's fine. And yes changing the volume lags big time (for me no concern using an AVR). Hope they fix it with the fix of the update.

After a reboot of the TV it surely needs 30-60 sec to load the YouTube recommendations and so on.

As I said earlier after changing the animation times and so on AND the freaking batteries of the remote it's acceptable.

Thanks for your write up. Maybe I will find it tolerable using an A/V reciever and Apple TV combination. Just have to deal with the settings menu being really slow.

I'm pretty set on an LCD so I guess I have to decide between Sony and the crappy Android OS or Samsung and no DV.
Still a few months of sealing a deal unless a crazy good deal show up before then. Maybe something happens in the meantime, Samsung adding DV would be pretty dope.

DOTDASHDOT · Jun 26, 2018

SOLDIER said:
How come there's no risk of burn-in if you've got the OLED Light at 100 when watching HDR content?

There's still a risk, but the difference being that with SDR, all elements will be maxed out to around 400/500nits, but with HDR, you can take a snapshot, and everything on screen will be varying brightnesses (200-900nits).

Setzer · Jun 26, 2018

RedlineRonin said:
Hmmmmm, that's interesting. What is the other TV? Also, did you try those other settings from (I think) last week?

It's a Sharp LED...can't remember model # but I'm thinking since its not a 4k TV(only 1080p) and it has an 8-bit panel is probably why I don't notice it.

SOLDIER · Jun 26, 2018

DOTDASHDOT said:
There's still a risk, but the difference being that with SDR, all elements will be maxed out to around 400/500nits, but with HDR, you can take a snapshot, and everything on screen will be varying brightnesses (200-900nits).

Okay, good to know.

As I said, 80-85 OLED Light is the sweet spot for me in regards to SDR, but I wanted to know if that helps with reducing the risk from just having 100 on all the time, or if the risk is equal regardless. I don't think I could go lower, personally, at least without an adjustment period.

Setzer · Jun 26, 2018

SOLDIER said:
Okay, good to know.

As I said, 80-85 OLED Light is the sweet spot for me in regards to SDR, but I wanted to know if that helps with reducing the risk from just having 100 on all the time, or if the risk is equal regardless. I don't think I could go lower, personally, at least without an adjustment period.

This is exactly how I am. PS4(non-HDR games) & Switch games don't look good unless I have OLED light set to 80+ and that's probably the reason why I'll be going back to LED and getting something like the Sony X930E or X900F. I can't afford to risk 2-3 years down the road getting burn-in and no warranty will cover it.

FuturaBold · Jun 26, 2018

Bumrush said:
On this topic, what are the most impressive Atmos releases for home theaters?

Gravity, Blade Runner 2049 and Blade Runner (UHD release), Mad Max Fury Road and Fury (Just released on UHD) are all very impressive Atmos mixes.

RedlineRonin · Jun 26, 2018

Setzer said:
It's a Sharp LED...can't remember model # but I'm thinking since its not a 4k TV(only 1080p) and it has an 8-bit panel is probably why I don't notice it.

Honestly, that probably is part of it. 1080p sets are like watching that stuff through wax paper, and the same material on a 4K set is comparable to watching through a microscope. You're definitely going to notice more imperfections.

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