Splinter: History Suggests Chasing Trump Officials Out of Restaurants Is Just The Beginning

4859 said:

Not like people haven't been here before.

Not like we don't know how this shit can end if all attempts at legal reform are shut down.

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I had a dream once we did this to Trump and his family. Images like that burn into your mind, even if they where in dream form. I often wonder if we where capable of doing that to an elected official, even if it's proven that elected official committed treason to be elected. What would be the breaking point that Americans would round up Trump and his people and do these kinds of heinous things from beating them beyond recognition and hanging their corpses in public?

How could we go back to before Trump after that? Before Obama even?

Thisman said:

What the hell

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P-pwease dont say mean stuff about the pwople keeping babies in cages...it makes me feel weally sad :(

samoyed said:

Most Americans, especially the establishment, has forgotten this is how we gained our independence from Colonial Britain. We are rapidly reaching the point where we'll get to relearn those lessons first hand.

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That was based on keeping a slave underclass, though. This is destroying an entire upper class with power, influence, money, resources.

It needs intersectionality, inclusion, and less white liberal crap.

BADMAN said:

Let's hope ours goes a bit better than the French Revolution. It was all fun and games until the Jacobins lost their minds with paranoia and the whole "KILL ALL WHO DISAGREE WITH US!"

It's funny that Robespierre was actually against beheadings at the beginning.

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In the long run, the French Revolution turned out well. Yes, there was the very dark period of the French Terror, but once France overcame that, they managed to create a much better and fairer society overall.

Not that I think that'll happen in the case of America. I fear if a revolution comes to America, it'll be a right-wing one and we'll essentially become Gilead

Shauni said:

In the long run, the French Revolution turned out well. Yes, there was the very dark period of the French Terror, but once France overcame that, they managed to create a much better and fairer society overall.

Not that I think that'll happen in the case of America. I fear if a revolution comes to America, it'll be a right-wing one and we'll essentially become Gilead

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Yeah it worked out in the end, just cautioning on how the path of a leftist revolution can be a bit... rocky.


Anyway I've done a bit of soul searching on this whole thing and I'm starting to really come around on the issue.

I got to thinking, maybe we really should show our rulers and adversaries some Civility.


On a unrelated note, check out my sweet new guillotine

Thisman said:

What the hell

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'What the hell'
Is that all you've got to say? It's telling you've been challenged on your pathetic naivete and undeserved superior attitude at multiple points and posts like that is all you respond too. Bronx-Man's post hasn't happened yet, though you're offended at it but have zero realistic perspective on the inhumanity happening right now:

Skelepuzzle said:

This trade war is going to absolutely destroy lives. Kids are in camps that we can't see inside of. Amnesty International lebeled it as torture. Out of a sample of 300 attempts to reunite them with their parents 2 succeeded. They want to gut medicaid and medicare for their goddamn tax cuts, which will literally kill people when they can't afford their meds.

They're torturing children by separating and confining them, and their policies will lead to poverty and death. You think that holding them up to their own cruelty is going too far?

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If you want to stick your head in the sand, Thisman (as well as "moderates" just like you), and pretend that you're forever the moral powerhouse for minimizing current events, denying history, fence-sitting, and insulting people to reacting "emotionally" & "childishly" to fascism, the literal first steps of the kind of movement that destroys millions, you can go ahead. But coming into topics like this and picking to respond with flaccid nonsense while ignoring posts that rightly call out and expose your bland rhetoric for what it is is just a waste of your time and our own. You're not going to convince people in a fight for their lives to shut up and bow to their oppressors like yourself.

The day the people start getting active about toppling our governments, with real momentum, i'll be out there. In every rally, every demonstration, every oust.
This world needs to change or else.

Shauni said:

Lol, the American experiment failed when a fascist was elected President

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It failed far before that for different groups of people.

I don't think there's going to be any uprising or violent revolution or anything like that. I think modern societies have moved past that kind of solution for bringing about change.

EdibleKnife said:

If you want to stick your head in the sand, Thisman (as well as "moderates" just like you), and pretend that you're forever the moral powerhouse for minimizing current events, denying history, fence-sitting, and insulting people to reacting "emotionally" & "childishly" to fascism, the literal first steps of the kind of movement that destroys millions, you can go ahead. But coming into topics like this and picking to respond with flaccid nonsense while ignoring posts that rightly call out and expose your bland rhetoric for what it is is just a waste of your time and our own. You're not going to convince people in a fight for their lives to shut up and bow to their oppressors like yourself.

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Did you quote the wrong person?

Veggen said:

Did you quote the wrong person?

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no he's using that post as part of his point

Veggen said:

Did you quote the wrong person?

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No. I used Skelepuzzle's post to help with stressing the exact kind of atrocities that are and will occur.

Polaroid_64 said:

If just last year you said that there would be children in prison, moderates would have lectured how that never would happen.

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This is exactly what happened.

I remember people arguing (me included) on Gaf that Trump was a wannabe dictator and the US was moving towards a dictatorship similar to Nazi germany and you had people saying how much hyperbole that was.

The thing these naysayers seem to always fail to understand is that it all happens in steps and slowly builds up like boiling a frog in a pan.

For these people, you have to literally come out and say 'Im a fascist, i support white supremacy' to actually get their attention, otherwise any concerns and 1-to-1 comparisons with history are dismissed as ramblings of a lunatic.

I think this reaction comes form a multitude of places like 1) ignorance of history and human psychology, 2) US/UK exceptionalism in being above the possibility of fascism rising, 3) they dont really care about the victims and just want things to be civil.

The most frustrating part is that they will simply declare that we are the uneducated, childish fools who have watched too many movies, regardless of how much evidence and insight people have.

I explicitly remember more than few people on gaf (there was big topic on it I think) saying trump wouldn't do anything as president because congress and various checks on him would prevent him doing anything dramatic and he'd essentially just be a big baby blustering on twitter.

I thought calls for violence were against the TOS.

Alexandros said:

I don't think there's going to be any uprising or violent revolution or anything like that. I think modern societies have moved past that kind of solution for bringing about change.

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this is a thread about USA tho

blinky said:

I thought calls for violence were against the TOS.

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Where do you see calls for violence?

blinky said:

I thought calls for violence were against the TOS.

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Did you try reporting the post, or were you just expecting that mods should've been reading every single thread on here?
If only people spent a fraction of the time actually reporting stuff instead of whining about nothing happening.

BADMAN said:

Where do you see calls for violence?

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Well, there's the article in the OP advocating bombing campaigns. And the post about guillotining people in the streets. And the one about hanging people from lampposts. And the people quoting those posts in an approving manner. Some of the folks in this thread have serious issues.

Buzzman said:

Did you try reporting the post, or were you just expecting that mods should've been reading every single thread on here?
If only people spent a fraction of the time actually reporting stuff instead of whining about nothing happening.

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Fair enough -- sorry for the backseat modding.

Lets

Alexandros said:

I don't think there's going to be any uprising or violent revolution or anything like that. I think modern societies have moved past that kind of solution for bringing about change.

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Lets hope so. Im looking through my Facebook feed and im seeing lots of posts similar to here about guillotines and lamp posts.

For some reason people on the left are forgetting that conservatives are armed to the teeth and have been fantasizing about the day "libruls" try to take their guns.

blinky said:

Well, there's the article in the OP advocating bombing campaigns. And the post about guillotining people in the streets. And the one about hanging people from lampposts. And the people quoting those posts in an approving manner. Some of the folks in this thread have serious issues.

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Most read more like a warning that others might commit violent acts if things don't get better as opposed to actually calling for them. The only call to violence I see in this thread is my call for Pelosi to discipline me real good.

GYODX said:

There wasn't a revolution when Bush's wars led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands, there's not going to be a revolution now.

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Difference was, the victims of Bush lived somewhere on a other continent, far away from america. This time, the people themself are affected.

This is the sentiment I've been waiting for. We must make them just as scared and miserable as they make us.

There should be a list of "personae non gratae" that are to be shunned and jeered wherever they go. Even outside of their own homes.

The country may slowly be waking up. Hallelujah.

With this and the Wikileaks of ICE officials private info, we're in for a wild ride America

blinky said:

Fair enough -- sorry for the backseat modding.

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Aw man you actually apologized? Now I feel like a jackass, sorry for the tone.

Hell I'm totally for resisting and protesting the administration in different ways, but calling for a violent overthrow and mass executions is uh, ill-advised.

A lot of the discussion here comes from not really having any left-wing option in politics in the US, a situation thats only logical in a two party system where both parties should drift toward the middle to appeal to the most voters. We've seen far left radicalism in Europe, and its just as bad as far right radicalism. And it did nothing to swing our politics to the left.

Western Europe is still more or less holding on to leftist values without any violence or revolution. There is still a lot of room, even in the US to achive something for the left through politics and activism. What seems to be needed is a more grass roots approach though, and more capable candidates actually stepping up. You've only just started that journey, and to argue for even more heavy handed tactics seems counterproductive.

Violence is a natural tool when every other tool is taken away. I wish it wasn't so, but i don't really know what some expect. Take everything from a people and what do you think will happen? Consumerism can only appease for a time.

Great read!!! Ty, OP

I'm not as optimistic as the article because even now many people are apathetic about government but hopefully the author is right .

Chiming in to agree that it was cathartic to read this. I needed this this morning; thank you for posting this.

Yup. Nazis shouldn't be allowed into public.
Ban them from everything until they're forced to eat all their meals in cardboard box.

saenima said:

Violence is a natural tool when every other tool is taken away. I wish it wasn't so, but i don't really know what some expect. Take everything from a people and what do you think will happen? Consumerism can only appease for a time.

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Thing is though, and it's important to keep this in mind, about half of the country still sides with their oppressors because they oppress other groups even more.

The French Revolution would've ended a lot differently if 30-45% of the population was working against it (and armed to the teeth). Until the average Conservative turns away from this administration, any attempts to begin a revolution would be more likely to spark a civil war.

GameShrink said:

Thing is though, and it's important to keep this in mind, about half of the country still sides with their oppressors because they oppress other groups even more.

The French Revolution would've ended a lot differently if 30-45% of the population was working against it (and armed to the teeth). Until the average Conservative turns away from this administration, any attempts to begin a revolution would be more likely to spark a civil war.

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This is all true. But i'm not talking open revolution. I'm talking about people getting desperate and shit escalating. The 60s and 70s were dire times in western society, from civil disobedience all the way up to bombings and murder. It wasn't that long ago.

And to be quite honest, something akin to civil war is not so farfetched if things keep going this way. You have the actual government sowing discontent and hatred. That shit might work in homogenic countries where 98% of people are white for example, but in a country as divided as the US? Nah that shit's gonna blow sooner or later.

I'm just upset it took kids in cages to get to this point. Apparently wanting to ban an entire religion form entering the country wasn't enough.

Now we just need to find a way to ban all his aides from McDonald's

McMahon said:

you fucking savage

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I am the total weapon.

toadsworth said:

I'm just upset it took kids in cages to get to this point. Apparently wanting to ban an entire religion form entering the country wasn't enough.

Now we just need to find a way to ban all his aides from McDonald's

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no no, the mcdonald's is doing god's slow work. leave it be.

Yes I had the same idea. Organized civil disobedience. Make it so they can't have a meal in peace. Make it so they can't get a cup of coffee. Make their lives so Terrible that maybe they will consider not doing heinous inhumane shit.

I say the people organize this. Crowd funding is a powerful tool. If we can get 15 million for RAICES we can do this. Crowd fund an organization that other companies can join and create a list of people that plain and simply do not get served. We fight back.

This thread was an interesting read. Lessons learned from the Norwegian Resistance, hits on some of the same points and says what you can do.

blinky said:

Well, there's the article in the OP advocating bombing campaigns. And the post about guillotining people in the streets. And the one about hanging people from lampposts. And the people quoting those posts in an approving manner. Some of the folks in this thread have serious issues.

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That is not what is actually happening in pretty much any of those examples.

None of those are a call for violence, and most of them are the opposite, unless you purposefully strip them of context and nuance.

saenima said:

This is all true. But i'm not talking open revolution. I'm talking about people getting desperate and shit escalating. The 60s and 70s were dire times in western society, from civil disobedience all the way up to bombings and murder. It wasn't that long ago.

And to be quite honest, something akin to civil war is not so farfetched if things keep going this way. You have the actual government sowing discontent and hatred. That shit might work in homogenic countries where 98% of people are white for example, but in a country as divided as the US? Nah that shit's gonna blow sooner or later.

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Yeah It feels like conservatives dominate but Hillary still had 3 million more votes and that doesnt include all the people that voted 3 rd party or just had hate for Hillary

We may have a stronger majority than we perceive but its hard to say until we see how divided we are during midterms

I am going to start looking at crowd funding solutions to get this funded. Enough is enough.

DrROBschiz said:

Yeah It feels like conservatives dominate but Hillary still had 3 million more votes and that doesnt include all the people that voted 3 rd party or just had hate for Hillary

We may have a stronger majority than we perceive but its hard to say until we see how divided we are during midterms

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Hopefully things take a turn later this year. We'll see.

Tahnit said:

I am going to start looking at crowd funding solutions to get this funded. Enough is enough.

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We definitely need some large scale marches and protests. Even something like Occupy Wall Street would be good, though I think we need much much bigger numbers.