Reminder: This thread is for all aspects of Fortnite crossplay discussion (including account blocking). Please stay on topic.
Mod post updated for further clarity.
Mod post updated for further clarity.
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Sony's Fortnite crossplay account block is now covered by mainstream press [Sony Responds]
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Seriously?
Do people still not get that using the term butthurt makes them look like some kind of knuckle dragging gene-flaw?
I know crossplay in general is not a blip on most people's radars, but people hit by this specifically aren't gonna be happy.
It's jarring when it's fully supported and would be totally fine if I never touched the PS4 version. I own an Xb1 and a Switch as well and would much rather be able to play the same game on both and keep everything, but now I can't. Again, Fortnite has a bunch of time specific stuff that will never come back that I like a lot, so I'm not about to ditch the whole thing either, and the consumer feedback loop from all of this is fucking horrible. More and more games are going to be looking at Fortnite given its success, already seen in Rocket League and PUBG pretty much doing exactly what Epic is with the battlepass which encourages users to stay invested in specific games, which gets more meaningful as more games let you crossprogress. I've primarily used the PS4 this gen and all I've taken in from this is a huge sideeye to tying another account to this platform, which is really not gonna be good looking forward. The issue in the shortterm sucks, but it's also about what's happening here cropping up outside of Fortnite.
Last gen, MP games were pretty much known for being yearly or bi-yearly affairs. Season passes, new game drops, everyone migrates. Things are changing a lot and this gen is way more about the rise of games as a service. GaaS aren't looking to ever refresh with a new game, and are going to be the types of games sustained beyond a console life. So that's gonna need open embracing of letting people carry their stuff to different platforms. Sony's stance here is pushing back people from even ENTERING their space now, as a Fortnite player on XB1 who might eye the next playstation is still on the same Epic account that will be blocked from playing the game. That's not good.
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The poll was about cross play. Not about Sony locking people out of playing on Switch.
I hope we don't need a poll to decide if that is a problem or not.
Try to engage with ERA with a mentality of someone older than 10 years old. Posting "Yo salty, lol" is not a behavior of a mature person.
Not taking into account Xbox X, a person who still went with MS this generation, let's be honest, was never going to go to PlayStation anyway. They have been looking at MS leaders congratulating Sony constantly with sale success or releasing another excellent game. To still be with MS at this point means they are staying with MS. Cross play was never going to change that IMO
Weird moderator post? Like, I understand that it's in the title of the thread, which we've asked several times for it to be fixed, but the dsicussion has ALWAYS been about cross-account blocking. Even the quote in the OP is about it. They're obviously very related issues, but this is definitely more serious.
Feel like a mod post like this hurts more than it helps since people keep coming in ignoring what it's actually about and instead talking about crossplay only.
Eh, it'd be hard to say how much of the playerbase is really like that vs. random people that picked it up cheaper to play GTA5 and random sports games again. Some of the most vocal people might be like that but I would still say it's something to consider.
Though I would also wonder how many 360 people last gen bounced there from a PS2, not giving the PS3 a second look but then saw the XB1 and jumped to PS4. If we do reach a point where most of the big hitting MP titles are structured more as a GaaS account based setup, you really don't want to have people be locked away from your platform either way as it can bite you back later.
Agreed if I'm honest. The thread isn't for Fortnite crossplay (solely) discussion. That's been a constant bone of contention.
Good point, there are people who just by a system, however, they would be influenced to go with the market leader if that is the one their friends have.
What is MS is going to drop XBL Gold for online but negotiate 40% instead of 30% with publishers then for conpanies cross progressing with MS there will be no going back, maybe that is also why cross play progression is blocked?
Thank God because the "Lol butthurt" and "you salty" and their accompanying gifs were starting to get really annoying having to wade through these kindergarten level posts.
Because there's no way around it. They cant argue the crossplay/cross progression point so they try to discredit the person.
Some bullshit from The Daily Star (mainstream British paper) today, mirroring that article that suggested Sony were right to continue to block cross-play (and, again, missing the point of why people are actually upset about Fortnite)
https://www./tech/gaming/710803/PS4...re-s-why-Sony-PlayStation-will-never-allow-it
PS4, Xbox, Nintendo Switch crossplay: Here's why Sony PlayStation will never allow it
https://www./tech/gaming/710803/PS4...re-s-why-Sony-PlayStation-will-never-allow-it
PS4, Xbox, Nintendo Switch crossplay: Here's why Sony PlayStation will never allow it
The mod post was made to stop off-topic arguments, not to stop the discussion on account blocking, as that is related to the discussion.
No, it's not. It's about account kidnapping by SONY.
It's about the gamers that bought their shit in the PC version, logged into the PS4 version, and now can't use their account and all the things bought in PC or mobile version, in other consoles.
And the cross-play policy gets a mention in a Metro article about the new PS4 Fortnite bundle. Leads with a line about cross-play.
https://metro.co.uk/2018/06/25/fortnite-ps4-hardware-bundle-exclusive-royale-bomber-skin-7657533/
https://metro.co.uk/2018/06/25/fortnite-ps4-hardware-bundle-exclusive-royale-bomber-skin-7657533/
What funky wrote isn't exactly true tho. PS4 Xplay with PC so they are not "all alone". You should probably do some research before you take someone's word as truth. Now both of y'all are wrong.
As I browse through the Xbox store looking for Fallout: New Vegas (I love that game) I pass by SOD2 and see it was still installed and immediately deleted it, lol. Game is trash. Literally right before I seen this comment..
...yea, You know you'd think with all the Xplay stuff going on that people would be willing to try some of it out. But I couldn't pay my friends to play none of these games Xplay with me. I literally had to beg my guy to play sea of thieves. I'd take great jrpgs and great single player games any day of the week.
Take a good gander at the last page. The problem is it's just a bunch of trolling and bait posts. No new information, just bumps of twitter posts and reddit thread links to keep on the first page.. but whatevs.
I dunno, Era feels more divided than its ever has been. Discord's filling up fast just so people can have a good place to actually talk about the stuff they liked at E3, still.
I mean, it's a thread about this Fortnite mess getting mainstream attention. I've posted two new articles within the last page from mainstream sources. People continue to hammer Sony's social media with complaints about it so they've been shared. I think the spokesperson of the rival console making a cheeky pass at the situation is relevant. There's definitely a lot of bickering back and forth in the thread but the mods have been really excellent with trying to keep it under control. It's a discussion about a really important, relevant issue that's reached over a hundred pages now. It's a little reductive to describe it all as trolling and bait posts. A good amount of those trolls and people posting bait have been banned or warned.
Sony won't be changing anytime soon. They don't give a damn.
Best thing you could do is play it elsewhere
The thread is about "Sony's Fortnite account crossplay block". Not about major Nelson tweets, Reddit, Minecraft, or crossplay in general which made Toon post and say keep on topic.. but please, keep going the way you are so this shit can get locked.
Since people using it above me, no I do not get it, besides it was pretty tongue and cheek, if you know anything about polandball. Anyway I see myself out and yes I am gene-flawed, but nice wording you have there to basically call me degenerate, without actually doing it. But whatever. Have a nice day.
I agree with you to a certain extent and like the topic, but at this point I'm starting to wonder if I really agree with the whole thing now.
I couldn't care less about Xplay (I do this for crossplay, I'm tired of typing it) I want Sony to allow people to use their accounts on other machines like you can with other platforms for Fortnite and future games. That should not be happening.
But, at some point those twitter posts of MS execs and twitter buffoons becomes redundant and doesn't help the real cause of this thread. Xplay itself just has to work out on its own, over time.
-Xbox Live subscribers are at a historical low
-MS may be willing to drop the online paywall altogether if it means having a competitive advantage
-(probably negotiate a higher cut from MTX)
-Sony will potentially lose billions each year if they have to drop the paywall as well
-If MS has a small user base then nobody will care about free Live Gold
-If MS has cross progression and play with PS4, then it becomes a real advantage
-Sony will do anything to stop such a thing from happening
Which is why they could be blocking cross progression and play.
Since no journalists are out there pressing for answers all we can do is speculate and contribute to the discussion :-)
I really like 'Xplay'. It works! I never know if it's crossplay or cross-play.
I don't think that's going to work. Especially for people who are being forced to make new accounts and give up everything they've spend real money on when they really shouldn't need to and wouldn't have to if they'd been playing on any other platform. Posting memes maybe isn't gonna solve it (I'm in my mid-30s - I'm not one for meme culture) but keeping a conversation open about it and sharing relevant links and stories to where it's being picked up in the media and on social media is a good thing to do. I mean, we've had very active threads about 'what food are you eating during Sony's E3 conference' this month. This topic is definitely more important to the hobby we all love that that. :)
I love the E3 food threads..
anyway, I hope y'all make progress.
Bruv, I'm the last person to be a fanboy on this site if that's what you're getting at. I'm simply too smart and too cool to care about these companies. What I said was as simple as what I said. In that with this much time passing without a response since their last response, it seems to me Sony's approach is to let it blow over.
There is no need to get upset over a PR spokesperson. Every company does shit like that. Remember how many times Kevin Butler found ways to mock Microsoft and Xbox for Sony? To get obviously offended by this is underlying a greater issue here.
The truth is, negative PR befalls companies that fuck up. It's how it has always been and will always be.
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Don't think it's going to blow over any time soon. It's almost become habitual or a meme to respond to anything @Playstation says with cross play talk. Any media article about Fortnite and PS4 will no doubt mention lack of cross play. Sony has lost this PR battle and there's no doubt there are people within Sony pushing to just let crossplay happen.
But the mega corporation I'm emotionally overattached to doesn't!
No, my overattachment is not an underlying issue at all. I'm naturally compelled to down play an issue's importance because I and my social circle live and breath < insert product here>.
:p >.<
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They might actually build some ads specifically around cross progression and play;
To highlight that it works with PS4, Android, PC, iOS, Mac. In most European countries people would not even notice Xbox missing from the ad.
People who rage on twitter or harass Sony Facebook pages will just make the brand they are representing look bad. People reading those public posts could think instead of going to the store and buy an Xbox : "whew it's a good thing I don't have to cross-progress with those fools!"
If Sony has a good PR team they will turn the situation into a positive. Maybe give all people who register their Epic accounts to PS 100vbucks every month or something?
I personally already did it. Got my blockbuster skin on PS4 (just in case) and won't be touching the game there. Created a new account on Switch, waiting for season 5.
If they had been open to crossplay on Switch a lot of this would not have happened. It blew up because there are a LOT of PS4/Switch owners now. Sony themselves said they don't see Switch as a direct competitor so them treating it like Xbox is bizarre and a bad move.
At the very least they should add in Switch to the mix and a lot of this would go away.
User warned: Thread whining and derailing
There are more posts in this thread than people actually concerned about Crossplay.
Some people need to get out of their room, >98% of the players WW dont know what Crossplay is (or don't care) and just play Fortnite on one single machine...
Crossplay is good thing. And Sony did it already back than on PS3.
But if it was my company I wouldn't allow it on my machine if I had a 40-45 million lead vs my direct competition.
MS didn't allowed it back than with a 5 million lead...
Some people need to get out of their room, >98% of the players WW dont know what Crossplay is (or don't care) and just play Fortnite on one single machine...
Crossplay is good thing. And Sony did it already back than on PS3.
But if it was my company I wouldn't allow it on my machine if I had a 40-45 million lead vs my direct competition.
MS didn't allowed it back than with a 5 million lead...
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You missed the context. He wasn't saying that is what Fortnite does, he's saying that's what game developers ought to do in the future, in order to highlight Sony's position against cross-platform play.
MS compete with Sony in the console space, so naturally they will show some type of hostility to Sony when the time is opportune. To me it gives Sony even more reason not to work with MS on anything, how can they work with a business that is going to market against their interest. I thought "Good guy Phil" was above this level antics? Apparently it just boils down to competition at the end of the day going by execs behavior on twitter, makes Sony's position on Xpaly correct.
Although Sony should give folks back their Epic account
Fully agree with the Switch, however, looking at Nintendo allowing a mandatory XBL sign in for their users for online Minecraft, and even advertising it... I am pretty sure MS already could have some Nintendo deals /contracts in place to prevent cooperation with Sony for cross progression.
MS knows Nintendo will overtake them soon
Well that only makes you as bad as Sony and that you prioritize a company over fellow gamers despite being a gamer yourself.
You should probably read the OP next time you shitpost and defend a corporation that doesn't give a shit about you. The main issue at hand here is the account hostage/blocking. Crossplay, or lack thereof, is just another issue.
You're also doing a terrible job of downplaying the crossplay situation. Who are you to tell people upset about this issue to get out of their rooms? Just because you're not affected doesn't mean you should be a corporate apologist.
What does Sony having a few crossplay titles on PS3 have to do with anything? The Xbox 360 and Wii had crossplay, too. So? And this false narrative of install base needs to stop. Microsoft doesn't give a shit about that because the Xbox One has a healthy and populated install base. I'll never understand why stans think that 40 million~ is a barren wasteland.
Since you're on about install bases, what about Minecraft, which not only has a bigger install base on Xbox over PS4 by itself, but is now combined with Switch, Android, iOS, and Windows? What's your argument there? Or Rocket League, where the developers are the ones that were pushing for crossplay?
Lastly, you bring up a decade ago (sad in itself) when the issue was never about install bases, but according to Microsoft, the lack of quality of PSN. They weren't wrong. PSN was shit back then. Was that probably an excuse like #4thechildren? Sure! But you fail to realize that Sony never pushed crossplay like Nintendo and Microsoft are doing today. They were okay with a few titles being crossplatform with PC because it never harmed their bottom line and actually helped in the case of SOE before they shut them down. We have a very own ex-CEO from SOE saying himself that internally Sony didn't want you to buy something on Playstation and play it on Xbox. But again, using whataboutism to further your agenda is irrelevant because this is now, not a decade ago. Companies change. Leadership changes. In Microsoft's case, their Xbox division looks like a new fucking company compared to the days of Ballmer and Mattrick. To be stuck on the past is foolish and technically the past can be used against any company, especially they one you're defending here.
Exactly. It makes no sense.
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98% of players don't know crossplay is a possibility if we keep shhh-shhh'ing the situation and trying to stomp it out Everytime it comes up. Luckily Nintendo and Microsoft are putting in work to make it more well known it's possible.
As far as accounts, I'm sure by now the people Sony locked out have made new accounts on their switch, whatever they buy with their own money going forward Sony won't see a cut of it. They must not like money.
Yup. Xbox is in good hands with Phil and it seems like he's been given enough rope through, at least, next gen to really show what Xbox can do. If MS and Sony keep on the these same paths I have a feeling the landscape is gonna look a bit different next gen.