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Saint-14

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The game is only released in the west for Xbox One and not in Asia/Japan.

Every other Capcom game before and after MHW has released on Xbox One in Japan.

Put two and two together.
There might or might not be a deal about Asia but that still have nothing to do with the west release.
 

ggx2ac

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Oct 25, 2017
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There might or might not be a deal about Asia but that still have nothing to do with the west release.

I said this:
Transcript:

Phil Spencer: I think my view that's maybe a little different is, I love selling Xboxes in Japan and I'd love to be the market leader in Japan. But I kind of take a different view which is that I want Japanese developers to have success globally and I think I can help there. So I guess my tactic is just a little different. I'm not trying go in and try to get them to help us win in Japan. I'm trying to say, here's how I think Monster Hunter can be a great game. ...And that's just an example of talking with the Capcom team long long ago and not this, they signed a marketing deal with Sony but I was like I don't care if there's any marketing in your game I want your game...
Jeff Gerstmann: ...Still coming to the platform.
Phil Spencer: (nods) That's right
.

That sounds like MHW wasn't even planned to have an Xbox One version because of the marketing deal with Sony.

MH main series titles have never been multiplatform until MHW.

Phil Spencer talked to Capcom years ago regarding MHW:

And that's just an example of talking with the Capcom team long long ago

So it sounds like he managed to convince them to release an Xbox One version in the west but had to concede Japan/Asia.

And Capcom has released/planned titles exclusively for PS4 before: Street Fighter V, and Deep Down was planned to be PS4 exclusive.

You replied with this:

He literally says marketing deal, Capcom wouldn't just make the game exclusive unless Sony is funding it somehow like SFV, Sony having an exclusivity deal for the game in Asia doesn't even make sense since Xbox doesn't exist there

You didn't even address what Phil Spencer said trying to convince Capcom in early development to bring MHW to Xbox One. All you laser focused on was trying to say that "marketing deals doesn't mean exclusivity deals."
 

Saint-14

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I said this:


You replied with this:



You didn't even address what Phil Spencer said trying to convince Capcom in early development to bring MHW to Xbox One. All you laser focused on was trying to say that "marketing deals doesn't mean exclusivity deals."
I already explained it, if you followed the conversation you'd know, Capcom wouldn't have released a west focused title on PS4 alone.
 

ggx2ac

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Oct 25, 2017
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I already explained it, if you followed the conversation you'd know, Capcom wouldn't have released a west focused title on PS4 alone.

And we go around in circles.

MH main titles have been exclusive to one platform until MHW.

Phil Spencer said this:

Transcript:

Phil Spencer: I think my view that's maybe a little different is, I love selling Xboxes in Japan and I'd love to be the market leader in Japan. But I kind of take a different view which is that I want Japanese developers to have success globally and I think I can help there. So I guess my tactic is just a little different. I'm not trying go in and try to get them to help us win in Japan. I'm trying to say, here's how I think Monster Hunter can be a great game. ...And that's just an example of talking with the Capcom team long long ago and not this, they signed a marketing deal with Sony but I was like I don't care if there's any marketing in your game I want your game...
Jeff Gerstmann: ...Still coming to the platform.
Phil Spencer: (nods) That's right
.

You're telling me Capcom wouldn't have released a game exclusively on PS4 despite having done so already with SFV and that they planned to with Deep Down before it became vaporware?
 

Saint-14

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And we go around in circles.

MH main titles have been exclusive to one platform until MHW.

Phil Spencer said this:



You're telling me Capcom wouldn't have released a game exclusively on PS4 despite having done so already with SFV and that they planned to with Deep Down before it became vaporware?
A WEST FOCUSED MH game, how is that hard to understand? SFV was funded by Sony, MHW wouldn't have released on Xbox if it was and Deep Down is dead and we don't know much info about the deal.
 

Aters

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Oct 26, 2017
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You're telling me Capcom wouldn't have released a game exclusively on PS4 despite having done so already with SFV and that they planned to with Deep Down before it became vaporware?
Capcom was at a very bad financial position when they started developing SFV and Deep Down. They needed that Sony money. Things have changed now.
 

Saint-14

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Yeah, a western focused MH game isn't on the 3DS. Not surprised.

It doesn't rebut what Phil Spencer said that you keep avoiding to address.
You mean like this?

He literally says marketing deal, Capcom wouldn't just make the game exclusive unless Sony is funding it somehow like SFV, Sony having an exclusivity deal for the game in Asia doesn't even make sense since Xbox doesn't exist there.

I'm not sure what you are trying to do.
 

Vena

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Phil very much confirmed MHW was intended to be exclusive. He has to specifically interject and lobby to get it on Xbox.
 

ggx2ac

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You mean like this?



I'm not sure what you are trying to do.

You:

Phil didn't say he was the reason the game released on Xbox, he said Capcom told him they had a marketing deal with Sony which means it wasn't gonna be an exclusive.

There might or might not be a deal about Asia but that still have nothing to do with the west release.

You still haven't addressed anything Phil Spencer said in the transcript about him getting MHW on Xbox One when it clearly wasn't planned to be coming to Xbox One:

Transcript:

Phil Spencer: I think my view that's maybe a little different is, I love selling Xboxes in Japan and I'd love to be the market leader in Japan. But I kind of take a different view which is that I want Japanese developers to have success globally and I think I can help there. So I guess my tactic is just a little different. I'm not trying go in and try to get them to help us win in Japan. I'm trying to say, here's how I think Monster Hunter can be a great game. ...And that's just an example of talking with the Capcom team long long ago and not this, they signed a marketing deal with Sony but I was like I don't care if there's any marketing in your game I want your game...
Jeff Gerstmann: ...Still coming to the platform.
Phil Spencer: (nods) That's right.
 

Saint-14

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User warned: Console warring, history of similar behavior.
I even bolded it for you. If you can't infer why Phil Spencer would need to go to Japan to visit Capcom regarding MHW then there is no hope for you.
You read into it what you want, there is nothing in there that is saying Capcom planned it originally to be an exclusive.
 
Feb 22, 2018
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So...what sort of increase can we expect for Splatoon 2 this week? Is expecting it to be over 50k too much? Also... what does the Japanese eShop top 30 look like atm?
 

Funny Face

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Dec 5, 2017
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That would be very surprising, since they already did.
You know what I mean. As in, devote resources towards a meaningful Monster Hunter for Switch. The MHXX port required little effort and made ony the most minor of impacts on Switch sales.

Not saying they won't. Just saying I wouldn't be surprised. Companies do things we consider baffling all the time.
 
Feb 22, 2018
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wait wut... why would splatoon 2 increase much this week??
Idk. I'm a super optimistic when it comes to Splatoon 2. Plus the Octo Expansion launched earlier than expected right? So I just thought that its unexpected launch might have caught some folks that were waiting for the expansion before getting the game by surprise. 50k is too much I guess. 25k definitely seems possible to me.
 

silpheed-mcd

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What happened in here...


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Limabean01

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Idk. I'm a super optimistic when it comes to Splatoon 2. Plus the Octo Expansion launched earlier than expected right? So I just thought that its unexpected launch might have caught some folks that were waiting for the expansion before getting the game by surprise. 50k is too much I guess. 25k definitely seems possible to me.
the Octo Expansion released during the tracking period of last weeks data. i thought its effect on spla2n sales would have been seen last week, but i guess it could have even more of an effect this week considering that it was a shadow drop.
 

Pooroomoo

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Oct 28, 2017
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I even bolded it for you. If you can't infer why Phil Spencer would need to go to Japan to visit Capcom regarding MHW then there is no hope for you.
I find what Phil said to be yet one more confirmation of the initial MH rumor that certain people will fight to their last breath to downplay for their own reasons.

1. He wanted MHW for XB - yet got MHW only in the west (contrary to other games). Had there been no exclusivity deal anywhere, he would have gotten Asia as well.

2. Read carefully what he said: "I'm not trying go in and try to get them to help us win in Japan." - XB had no chance of winning in Japan. no matter what they do, so why would he say such a sentence? Remember that the rumor said Sony's motivation was to win Japan? What Phil is saying can be read as follows "I'm not trying go in and try to get them to help us win in Japan [as opposed to what Sony did]" ...

Which gives me even more hope that (since that was also part of the rumor) there is a MH portable as well in the works.
 

foxuzamaki

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I find what Phil said to be yet one more confirmation of the initial MH rumor that certain people will fight to their last breath to downplay for their own reasons.

1. He wanted MHW for XB - yet got MHW only in the west (contrary to other games). Had there been no exclusivity deal anywhere, he would have gotten Asia as well.

2. Read carefully what he said: "I'm not trying go in and try to get them to help us win in Japan." - XB had no chance of winning in Japan. no matter what they do, so why would he say such a sentence? Remember that the rumor said Sony's motivation was to win Japan? What Phil is saying can be read as follows "I'm not trying go in and try to get them to help us win in Japan [as opposed to what Sony did]" ...

Which gives me even more hope that (since that was also part of the rumor) there is a MH portable as well in the works.
I still cant believe sony thought MHW would win them Japan back, then again back when it was just the WiiU maybe this would have been a turning point
 

ShinobiBk

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Phil very much confirmed MHW was intended to be exclusive. He has to specifically interject and lobby to get it on Xbox.
I also think it was intended to be completely exclusive, as in no PC version either.
Which would make sense as this is the pretty much the only Capcom game this gen released on PS4 and Xbox One that didn't hit PC at the same time. For some reason, the PC port was always announced as coming later and then got delayed even further to fall just before the console launch and we haven't heard a peep since.

I'm sure people will start pointing out other delayed PC ports from Capcom this gen but whatever you get my point. Their major titles have all been on PC in a timely manner except this one
 

Kaguya

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I'm sure people will start pointing out other delayed PC ports from Capcom this gen but whatever you get my point. Their major titles have all been on PC in a timely manner except this one
Don't think there are any other delayed PC ports from Capcom this gen, even PS exclusive SFV was on PC day one.
 

Radishhead

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Oct 30, 2017
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Won't Minecraft numbers be somewhat restricted by the fact hundreds of thousands of Japanese gamers already bought Minecrsft on Switch for the eShop version last year?
 

Gotdatmoney

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It's just hilarious to me. If all these games were coming to Xbox One no matter what why would Phil Spencer even make these trips to Japan in the first place?

The Xbox One is the promised land I suppose? And MH, the series that sold 4x in Japan than what it did in the rest of the world was a sure fire bet for the Xbox. Never a doubt.

lol
 

KillerMan91

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Oct 25, 2017
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It's just hilarious to me. If all these games were coming to Xbox One no matter what why would Phil Spencer even make these trips to Japan in the first place?

The Xbox One is the promised land I suppose? And MH, the series that sold 4x in Japan than what it did in the rest of the world was a sure fire bet for the Xbox. Never a doubt.

lol

It's more about Xbox One being so similar tech wise to PS4 that it really should get all multiplats that have even somewhat higher budget. You can pretty much lower resolution and call it a day. Both MHW and FFXV should be at least around a million on Xbox One globally and so easily covered the trivial porting costs.
 
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silpheed-mcd

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Oct 27, 2017
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GEO Ranking Sales, 2018 (Jun 18 - Jun 24)

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"In Geo we also sell set products with original sports bags" ~ 1.200 stores


01/ N [NSW] Mario Tennis Ace
02/ N [PS4] New Gundam Breaker
03/ N [NSW] Minecraft

04/03 [NSW] Splatoon 2
05/02 [PS4] Fate/Extella: The Umbral Star Link
06/08 [PS4] Kingdom Hearts - HD 1.5 + 2.5 Remix -
07/07 [NSW] Mario Kart 8 Deluxe
08/05 [PS4] Detroit: Become Human
09/06 [PS4] Dark Souls Remastered
10/09 [NSW] Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze


NSW: 5
PS4: 5

(Mario Tennis Ace) "it is the best sales number compared to Mario Tennis past works."

今週のランキング1 位は新作のSwitch「マリオテニス エース」となりました。ゲオではオリジナル スポーツバッグ付きのセット商品も販売しており、マリオテニス過去作と比較しても最高の販売数となっております。
一方、2 位のPS4「New ガンダムブレイカー」は予約の伸びは良かったのですが、過去作と比べると厳しいスタートとなっている状況です。3 位のSwitch「Minecraft」はDL 版の後発ですが、他機種版とのプレイもできるなど大幅なアップデートにより高い初動値を見せております。
また、先週同様Switch「Splatoon 2」、PS4「キングダム ハーツ -HD 1.5+2.5 リミックス-」は好調をキープしています。
(株式会社ゲオ メディア商品部 メディア商品2 課 バイヤー 武藤 崇史)



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https://sites.google.com/site/gamedatalibrary/
 
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Limabean01

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Oct 29, 2017
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GEO Ranking Sales, 2018 (Jun 18 - Jun 24)

DgdEqI_U0AAybZB.jpg


01/ N [NSW] Mario Tennis Ace
02/ N [PS4] New Gundam Breaker
03/ N [NSW] Minecraft

04/03 [NSW] Splatoon 2
05/02 [PS4] Fate/Extella: The Umbral Star Link
06/08 [PS4] Kingdom Hearts - HD 1.5 + 2.5 Remix -
07/07 [NSW] Mario Kart 8 Deluxe
08/05 [PS4] Detroit: Become Human
09/06 [PS4] Dark Souls Remastered
10/09 [NSW] Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze


NSW: 5
PS4: 5


今週のランキング1 位は新作のSwitch「マリオテニス エース」となりました。ゲオではオリジナル スポーツバッグ付きのセット商品も販売しており、マリオテニス過去作と比較しても最高の販売数となっております。
一方、2 位のPS4「New ガンダムブレイカー」は予約の伸びは良かったのですが、過去作と比べると厳しいスタートとなっている状況です。3 位のSwitch「Minecraft」はDL 版の後発ですが、他機種版とのプレイもできるなど大幅なアップデートにより高い初動値を見せております。
また、先週同様Switch「Splatoon 2」、PS4「キングダム ハーツ -HD 1.5+2.5 リミックス-」は好調をキープしています。
(株式会社ゲオ メディア商品部 メディア商品2 課 バイヤー 武藤 崇史)
the trend definitely seems to be MTA>New Gundam Breaker>minecraft. How much are we/YSO expecting NGB to sell?
 

Aters

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Oct 26, 2017
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Making an AAA game with western market in mind means XBOX must be part of the plan.The install base is too big and the porting cost is too trivial.

Phil's trip to Japan is for the AA stuff, like Bamco games.
 

Rainrir

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Oct 25, 2017
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Making an AAA game with western market in mind means XBOX must be part of the plan.The install base is too big and the porting cost is too trivial.

Phil's trip to Japan is for the AA stuff, like Bamco games.

That's not what Phil said....
 

hiska-kun

Member
Oct 26, 2017
3,410
GEO Ranking Sales, 2018 (Jun 18 - Jun 24)

DgdEqI_U0AAybZB.jpg

"In Geo we also sell set products with original sports bags" ~ 1.200 stores


01/ N [NSW] Mario Tennis Ace
02/ N [PS4] New Gundam Breaker
03/ N [NSW] Minecraft

04/03 [NSW] Splatoon 2
05/02 [PS4] Fate/Extella: The Umbral Star Link
06/08 [PS4] Kingdom Hearts - HD 1.5 + 2.5 Remix -
07/07 [NSW] Mario Kart 8 Deluxe
08/05 [PS4] Detroit: Become Human
09/06 [PS4] Dark Souls Remastered
10/09 [NSW] Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze


NSW: 5
PS4: 5

(Mario Tennis Ace) "it is the best sales number compared to Mario Tennis past works."

今週のランキング1 位は新作のSwitch「マリオテニス エース」となりました。ゲオではオリジナル スポーツバッグ付きのセット商品も販売しており、マリオテニス過去作と比較しても最高の販売数となっております。
一方、2 位のPS4「New ガンダムブレイカー」は予約の伸びは良かったのですが、過去作と比べると厳しいスタートとなっている状況です。3 位のSwitch「Minecraft」はDL 版の後発ですが、他機種版とのプレイもできるなど大幅なアップデートにより高い初動値を見せております。
また、先週同様Switch「Splatoon 2」、PS4「キングダム ハーツ -HD 1.5+2.5 リミックス-」は好調をキープしています。
(株式会社ゲオ メディア商品部 メディア商品2 課 バイヤー 武藤 崇史)



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https://sites.google.com/site/gamedatalibrary/

So, Mario Tennis had the best start of the series (I doubt they are counting the N64 version though).
Gundam Breaker had good pre-orders but the start was a disappointment compared with past entries.
Minecraft showed a high level start.
Splatoon and Kingdom Hearts keep selling as the previous week.
 

Charamiwa

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Oct 25, 2017
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the trend definitely seems to be MTA>New Gundam Breaker>minecraft. How much are we/YSO expecting NGB to sell?
I'm pretty sure the data from specialized store tend to inflate games for core gamers (mostly PS4), so something like Minecraft might actually be higher than it seems here. Maybe someone can confirm.