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I weighted 100 kilos a few years back, i could make harsh diets and lose tons of weight but they always come back after dropping the diet because I was OK and better than before.
The only thing that really worked for me was starting doing weights and counting calories, the thing is that you have to be always dieting, I even turned everything into a game, the gym was like the combat scenario, beating my records was the goal, you can always progress on something.
Then I made a spreadsheet with the food I like, and put a nutritional score attached to it like an RPG (think of an mmo or something like the division, destiny, or diablo), based on the macros.
Chicken breast was an exotic item, while bacon was common trash, not really "powerful" for my goal. They where also rare items like the dark meat of the chicken or magical ones like the eggs.
I ended having fun even analysing the food and turning it into gear... Nowadays I just use a fitbit because it was really timeconsuming, but it was worth it because I achieved the goal because of it.
It worked for me because I'm a data freak, lots of people roll their eyes when I explain my methods (even if I skip the roleplaying aspect of it) and its normal, it takes lots of effort, but its worth it in my opinion.
The only thing that really worked for me was starting doing weights and counting calories, the thing is that you have to be always dieting, I even turned everything into a game, the gym was like the combat scenario, beating my records was the goal, you can always progress on something.
Then I made a spreadsheet with the food I like, and put a nutritional score attached to it like an RPG (think of an mmo or something like the division, destiny, or diablo), based on the macros.
Chicken breast was an exotic item, while bacon was common trash, not really "powerful" for my goal. They where also rare items like the dark meat of the chicken or magical ones like the eggs.
I ended having fun even analysing the food and turning it into gear... Nowadays I just use a fitbit because it was really timeconsuming, but it was worth it because I achieved the goal because of it.
It worked for me because I'm a data freak, lots of people roll their eyes when I explain my methods (even if I skip the roleplaying aspect of it) and its normal, it takes lots of effort, but its worth it in my opinion.
Are valid. Quite interesting to read through this thread of people so concerned for other's health only to respond in the most hostile of ways with all their advice.
Seriously though; I like how people are supposed to go from eating mostly pre-packaged meals, snacks and readily available foods to being an expert nutritionist and chef overnight and if they don't, it's just excuses.
There is a lot involved in first wanting to eat better, then discovering the nutritional value of food, what tastes decent to your pallet which has been trained on unhealthy food, fixing it properly, learning to improve your cooking without adding extra calories/junk, etc. Not to mention any failure in any of these steps makes you feel like a falure and it doesn't take much to push you back toward eating unhealthy again.
Some of y'all have zero empathy for overweight people and it shows.
I actually offered advice and all you can do is tone police my post. Do better.
This is a problem for me. I'd say about 20% of food I buy goes bad before I use it all, unless I eat it for every meal. Its why I stopped buying bread years ago because it would start getting moldy before I use it all. At least at my store I can buy a single onion, or bell pepper, or or similar items.
Though I'm on the side that eating healthy is cheaper, though I also don't have much variety and am fine with bland food.
Tip: Nobody needs advice with a side of derision. Do better yourself or don't bother.
Tip: talking about derision...
They can take it or leave it, I don't really care. But it's sound advice, don't give two shits about how it makes you in particular feel.
For bread, you can make breadcrumbs if you let the bread dry out after it goes stale. Breadcrumbs can be used for making meatballs and meatloaf and for frying chicken and fish.
There are thousands of ways to use food, just takes some internet and imagination so I'm not buying the expiration excuses AT ALL.
And that's the problem in a nutshell with the overly concerned people in this thread. You really don't care; but nobody wants to admit they need to feel superior over somebody so they offer unsolicited advice with tut-tuts and yelling 'no excuses!' when they have no idea about the people they're talking to nor do they honestly care.
Yeah, living in North America for 3 years, I noticed that. The fruit and vegetables aren't really tailored to single people and they also expire faster than in Europe weirdly enough. It's pretty hard to keep them for awhile if you don't cook them right away.
No, what's the problem is you derailing this topic to talk about me. I never said I was overly concerned, I'm not. I can make that clear. If people dont expect unsolicited responses on a public forum then I don't know what to tell them. Maybe they should engage with me, since theyre here, instead of you as their unsolicited proxy.
This topic always goes the same way. Obviously we shouldn't be encouraging people to be overweight, but it's about showing your "concern" for other peoples health in a non-condescending, genuine, caring way. Everyone's case is different, so just saying it's easy to eat healthy, it's cheap to eat healthy, exercise more isn't going to work for every single person. Especially today, there's so many psychological, biological, regional, cultural factors, it isn't one simple easy fix.
I lost 80 pounds before and got down to a healthy, normal weight, but gained it all back and still have it. When I looked in the mirror and saw how damaged my body was from weight loss I just gave up and gained it all back. I thought I was going to look good when I lost weight, but I didn't.
Losing weight may have made things better for me physically health-wise, but it made things worse for me mentally and physically attractiveness-wise.
I lost 80 pounds before and got down to a healthy, normal weight, but gained it all back and still have it. When I looked in the mirror and saw how damaged my body was from weight loss I just gave up and gained it all back. I thought I was going to look good when I lost weight, but I didn't.
Losing weight may have made things better for me physically health-wise, but it made things worse for me mentally and physically attractiveness-wise.
Oh honey I am one of them and I am engaging with you; because yes, you are part of the problem. But it's not *just* about you; yours just happened to be the latest post with some snide side comment attached to your 'helpful advice' which as you later admitted you really don't care anyway. So yes if i have to turn this mutha fucken train around and ask all the concern-trolls to please disembark, I will do so as is my right. Your ticket has been punched, please take tha baggage with you; because it's not needed by me nor any other overweight person.
Weight loss is calories in vs calories out, I eat mostly packaged foods and readily available snacks and still have lost over 50lb this year, 150lb total lost from my highest weight.
Not this fucking shit again...
Ok, since everyone here loves to give advice based on anecdotal evidence/own experience, here's mine
The first step to lose weight is confidence, wich comes from self-acceptance. If you want to take care of your body you gotta learn to love it first, otherwise the weight loss process will be self-destructive
And no, i didn't lose weight, but I'm thinking on getting into it this summer because I'm curious. Self loathing doesn't take you anywhere.
And don't let ANYONE who isn't a nutricionist to tell you to lose weight and how, that only erodes your Self steem and puts you in the hands of smartasses (that includes people in this thread, yes) who think they know what's best for you better than yourself
Ok, since everyone here loves to give advice based on anecdotal evidence/own experience, here's mine
The first step to lose weight is confidence, wich comes from self-acceptance. If you want to take care of your body you gotta learn to love it first, otherwise the weight loss process will be self-destructive
And no, i didn't lose weight, but I'm thinking on getting into it this summer because I'm curious. Self loathing doesn't take you anywhere.
And don't let ANYONE who isn't a nutricionist to tell you to lose weight and how, that only erodes your Self steem and puts you in the hands of smartasses (that includes people in this thread, yes) who think they know what's best for you better than yourself
Some of you need to actually read the paper.
"Given the price of healthier foods such as fresh fruits and vegetables are higher than processed and energy-dense foods in this country."
"Given the price of healthier foods such as fresh fruits and vegetables are higher than processed and energy-dense foods in this country."
Hi,
I don't want you to feel like I'm picking on you here, or picking up on a tiny fragment of a longer post, but this has really blown my mind. I can't really conceive of someone eating a pound of rice in a single meal - if I was having rice with a curry or chilli then I'd have about 75g tops, which is like a sixth of a pound, and more usually I'd have 50g as a standard portion, which is less than an eighth of a pound.
As I say, I'm not making a judgement here, just an observation.
No you can judge my unhealthy eating if you want. Usually I would make a huge Tupperware bowl worth and go to town and just eat on it all day; so 'meal'. Never weighed it out but could only do that so many times with a 10lb bag. But for the most part I would only eat the rice and not have anything else on the side.
It's quite funny to read this thread, when comparing to ones about dangers of alcohol. "Yolo", "no fun allowed", "I don't trust people who don't drink", "well something will kill you eventually", "atleast I'm having fun while dying". So how about that normalisation?
This comparison doesn't strike me as a particularly valid one. Although excessive drinking and alcoholism are certainly more socially accepted (at least in some societies) than some other addictions, people who face issues with drinking are readily encouraged to seek help, stop drinking, and can be judged for their problems too.
People tend to underestimate at what point drinking is harmful to one's health. You don't need to be a homeless alcoholic or have an appearance of one for alcohol to be unhealthy and harmful to you. But that isn't really a discussion for this thread. Just that when we talk about normalisation and even celebrating unhealthy lifestyles, I think it's more of an issue with alcohol than obesity. Since we don't really get those "yolo" posts in obesity topics, or people deflecting or straight up denying the issue. I do believe it's very rare for people not to be aware of the dangers of obesity, yet people seemingly keep justifying the shaming and judging as "educating" and "raising awareness".
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Telling me I'm part of the problem is a fantastic deflection. If you want to use my post as a springboard to project your own demons that's fine. But your unwillingness to discuss the actual thing, that is using food so it doesn't expire, tells me enough.
People tend to misunderstand how much (little) alcohol has a harmful aspect on ones health, but I have not seen many people promote a regular abuse of alcohol other threads (although perhaps I'm missing threads where a regular alcohol abuse is suggested).
I haven't seen many people in here criticise having 'bad' foods in moderation or as a treat (and certainly there have been threads on the forum where such foods have been 'celebrated'), but there have been people criticise the abuse of such foods (either in terms of portion size or frequency). I can agree that the 'celebration of obesity' is not really something I've seen (although normalisation I would feel is a different matter), but I've also not seen a celebration of alcoholism either (yes there is a 'drinking culture' just as there is an 'eating culture', but I don't think it's valid to compare 'obesity' just to drinking rather than the much more applicable 'alcoholism').
The obesity epidemic which is plagueing many countries is not just as a result of having junk food, it's the result of abusing junk food (and why this has happened does have systemic cause and is a complex issue)*. So I don't think think bringing in the comparison to alcohol is really a good one; unhealthy habits with alcohol are certainly prévalant in society but I don't agree at all that a similar level of abuse of alcohol is normalised or accepted.
*to clarify I don't mean junk food in the typical manner the term is used, I mean it in the manner of "garbage/useless/unhealthy" food.
Clearly our own anecdotal experience has been different on this matter.
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Sure, this part is probably colored a lot by the country I'm personally from. As in here we are more of a binge drinkers compared to most of Europe, not sure about the US. It's also linked to masculinity a lot, as you aren't a real man if you don't drink. Though there's also a joke that a "real man weights atleast 90kg, rest are weighed at child care centre" (doesn't really have the same ring to it when translated). But that's what it is, a joke. People who weigh under 90kg aren't ridiculed for it, while people who don't drink can be. People upload Youtube videos where they drink a whole bottle of hard liqour with one swig because that's "cool". Having developed a high tolerance for alcohol is also often considered "cool". While being able to eat a lot rarely gets one admiration. I think it's somewhat common at parties in US too to drink through a funnel (beer bong, chugging)? Or that's the impression I've got from American movies, that people gather around to applaud and cheer the rapid consumption of alcohol. That's encouraging and celebrating excessive drinking. With alcohol just one night can be fatal, you don't need to be an alcoholic to go overboard. So it's really not just about celebrating alcoholism that's irresponsible and dangerous, but celebrating alcohol and downplaying it's dangers or brushing it under the rug under the guise of "fun". Sure there are those hot dog, doughnut etc. eating contests, which can be dangerous and probably shouldn't be a thing either.
And when it comes to body positivity. I take it as feeling of being equal to others, feeling of being capable and worthy person just like everyone. Not that people should be happy specifically about being overweight, but that they aren't a worse person for it. They still should try to live healthy for their own sake, but they shouldn't feel discouraged of doing certain activities in example. Dressing sexy, going to a beach etc. just because there are bad people around who think they are repulsive and also let that be known. Nor should people be stereotyped because they are overweight.
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Honestly, the more baffling thing about the entire obesity epidemic is people going "JUST EAT LESS, YOU PIG!"
I mean, the entire first world - and especially the USA - got a lot fatter in the last 50 years. Did everyone just lose their force of will? Human nature changed?
It's actually fucking hard to lose weight and keep it off. Some people never experienced it - because they never picked up bad habits, or genetics helped them, or lived an active lifestyle all along - and assume it has to be easy, because it was easy for them.
It's not. It's never been. And like 80% of the population of the USA is trying to lose weight and not hitting their goals.
Due to lifestyle choices for a long time I have been overweight for years...but have more recently been working hard to avoid obesity for the last year despite having two kids and a wife. It is working.
So this study struck a cord with me. I think pro-obesity political movements perpetuate what is a larger social epidemic of inactivity and overeating. Also, attempts to categorize practical cultural responses as a civil rights issue dissuades people from making healthy choices.
Pro fat movements are becoming more popular but are a negative reinforcement - not because of a need to have a beautified culture...
Rather it is a drain on health resources, it requires expensive accommodations, and it kills people.
So this study struck a cord with me. I think pro-obesity political movements perpetuate what is a larger social epidemic of inactivity and overeating. Also, attempts to categorize practical cultural responses as a civil rights issue dissuades people from making healthy choices.
Pro fat movements are becoming more popular but are a negative reinforcement - not because of a need to have a beautified culture...
Rather it is a drain on health resources, it requires expensive accommodations, and it kills people.
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You are. You literally called me anti science to insult me.
Playing football and skiing are drains on health resources. Somehow the reaction to that is different.I have been overweight for years, but never obese. I am working hard to keep it that way despite having two kids and a wife.
This study struck a cord with me. I think pro-obesity political movements perpetuate what is a larger social epidemic of inactivity and overeating. Also, attempts to categorize practical cultural responses as a civil rights issue dissuades people from making healthy choices.
Pro fat movements are becoming more popular but are a negative reinforcement - not because of a need to have a beautified culture...
Rather it is a drain on health resources, it requires expensive accommodations, and it kills people.
Clearly, you are the victim in all of this. What's your patreon?
I do ski if that's you point. Not really sure what you are trying to say. The only point I was making is that constant insults towards fat people in this thread are not helping anyone and are only making people miserable.
When it comes to skying, the most drains on health resources are accidents and if I saw a beginner attempting to sky down a high difficulty course I would have some stern words for him too / my sympathies after he would break both his arms and three ribs would be rather limited.
The thing is, when it comes too obesity there are no accidents, only certainty. Or better even, you might accidentally not suffer any weight related health issues (beyond all the fat getting in the way) - probably by dying to an unrelated injury before reaching your forties.
And sorry about the tone, I was being an abrasive idiot.
First of all the best skiers usually have a ton of accidents. It come with the sport. Just look at the Olympics. But that will be dragged out argument. I've said earlier in this thread but I will repeat it again. In most cases health reasons are secondary for loosing weight. It's nice bonus, but the reason why most people don't want to be fat is because of looks. In my case I convinced myself that I lost the weight because of health reasons, but eventually I realized that isn't true. When I gain some weight back I stop seeing friends because I'm ashamed in turn that makes me unhappy and guess what makes me happy? Yes, food. I found a way to fight it, but seeing posts in this thread that resemble bullying and hazing that I received since I was 7 years old is really disheartening. I mean I had a friend tell me when I was like 8 that my heart was all covered in fat and I will die.
Like any real personal growth and improvements, getting fit takes effort. Effort means struggle, discomfort, time and failures. Some people adapt to these feelings better and some people just can't do it. In this age of free and accurate information about diets and excercise it just comes down to how much any given person wants to be healthier.
Shaming people is not productive, it's not like a fit dumb person starts to read more if you just shame them on their lack of knowledge for example.
Shaming people is not productive, it's not like a fit dumb person starts to read more if you just shame them on their lack of knowledge for example.
Somehow different? One has an order of magnitude larger societal cost than the others.
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Shaming people is not productive but fit people must be dumb and must not read books. It's pretty sad where we are at this point. Impossible to have self-awareness and always trying to bring down others to compensate for some of our weaknesses.
I think there is a big difference between body shaming, favoring bulimia type models and glorifying obesity. Obesity is not healthy and should not be promoted as such but people don't deserve to be humiliated because of it. Just like you don't make fun of people with mental health issues. There is definitely a need for resources to help people struggling with this issue but like everything else the first step is to accept you have a problem and need to change and that is usually really challenging.
What kind of help can others provide if I hate myself for being fat? I literally avoid friends until I loose weight that I gained. Sometimes it takes years.
The answer is in you post. It's society's problem. Fat shaming is not helping society in the slightest. At best you will have slightly healthier but more depressed society.
One thing that was hard for me to do, but changed this for me was making smaller trips to the market but a bit more frequently. Just buying a carrot or two, single potatoes, 2 apples, etc. Just thinking in terms of meals for a few days instead of say... 2 weeks. I think a lot of people may not have that convenience if they are not near to markets or other factors, though. Being raised in a family that did the massive end-of-the world grocery buying was hard to shake out of when I was newly independent. I wasted a lot at first buying things in bulk. Eventually, changing it saved money and useless calories. If it wasn't in my cabinets, it wasn't prepped or eaten, so it instilled a bit of discipline.
Then again, at the time I lived in walking distance where corner bodega-like places with individual produce were plentiful. And some US cities can be sprawls and shit with public transportation.
Then you're doing it wrong, or you're doing it the way YOU want to, and making it more expensive than necessary. Buying grass fed organic beef from Wholefoods is more expensive, yes, but you can get decent beef from Albertson's, or any grocery store, for dirt cheap. Just because it's more expensive for you doesn't mean being healthy is more expensive, because it's not. This is not up for debate. You are literally speaking something that isn't true, and I can, as many poster have since you wrote this trash post, prove you wrong. I spend between 20 and 30 dollars a week on groceries for me and the occasional guest, and 1/4 of that isn't spent on healthy food. Yes, clearly I'm mad. This mentality is utterly infuriating.
You can buy a variety of fruits, veggies, beans, eggs, and meats for cheap. You can have variety and health for cheap. Stop peddling this nonsense.
No it doesn't, and I stand by the fact that this sort of trash posting should be moddable. It's the second thread in as many weeks where I've seen people bemoaning the cost of healthy living, which perpetuates an idea that causes those who COULD be healthier to not be healthier, and directly harms them. I absolutely blame you and people like you for this.
This issue always seemed quite simple to me in that nobody should be shamed for their body shape but, at the same time, everyone should always be encouraged to try a healthier lifestyle (which goes beyond what people eat). If a persons weight is a significant health risk then this is something that should be addressed by their doctor or perhaps somebody close to them in a respectful way, not by anyone else.
I'm not buying the it's in the genetics argument. I have 3 friends who were 20st plus who decided to eat well and exercise and shifted a tonne of weight.
One guy 25st, parents and siblings all obese because all they ate was Turkey twizzlers and chocolate. Decides to change his diet and hit the gym. He now has <10% body fat and is about to enter his first BNBF comp.
Genetics is just an excuse (IMO)
One guy 25st, parents and siblings all obese because all they ate was Turkey twizzlers and chocolate. Decides to change his diet and hit the gym. He now has <10% body fat and is about to enter his first BNBF comp.
Genetics is just an excuse (IMO)
Honeslty the key is to just cook things that keep well. It's cheaper to buy things in bulk, and as much as many people bitch about not having time to cook and/or disliking cooking that's also one way to minimize the amount of time spent cooking each week. Just make a big meal a couple nights a week and have that for dinner (and maybe lunch too) for 3 days or so.
Other option is to just cut up stuff and portion it out into freezer bags for future use. Most vegetables freeze well in just a ziplock freezer bag. Even better with a food saver vacuum sealer, but that's not really needed if your just freezing stuff to use in the next month or so.
Societal cost. Also societal responsibility, but only to a point. A lot of what is being called shaming and bullying is just a POV of personal responsibility.
Are you familiar with the concept of a food desert, my dude? There are a lot of places where healthy food is not cheap or readily available.
Please stop being hostile. You can give advice without being so aggressive.
And keep in mind food prices vary wildly from places to places. Over here, fresh vegetables and meat are sadly not cheap at all, and fish is even worse, it's a sheer luxury even when on sale. I'm fortunate that I can afford them but it's not always that easy for everyone.
And I'm telling you that it doesn't fucking work. I was bullied and hazed since I was a toddler and I didn't loose the weight until I was 25. It's 25 years of being miserable for what?! And even now I avoid people when I gain a bit of weight. But enough about personal stories. Just look at any statistics. There's a reason why most people who loose weight gain it back. And there's a reason why doctors go to meds (blood pressure and cholesterol) no matter how much their patients struggle to loose weight. They know that chances are slim no matter ho committed the patients seem to be.
While this is definitley true, it's certainly not a main cause of the obesity epidemic as that's nationwide in the US and not confined to food deserts. It's simply worse there. There are way to many obese people even in booming metro areas with a gazillion grocery stores and markets everywhere, and among the middle and upper classes who have plenty of money and time (aren't working multiple jobs etc.).
It's an issue that needs resolved, but in the US the majority of people wanting to eat a balanced, healthy diet can do so without even changing where they currently shop. I live in a poor, mostly black neighborhood and eat healthy shopping at the same Publix and Kroger everyone around here shops at, and for those without cars there are bus stops at both and all over the area.
Again, not discounting the issue of food deserts, but that's a smaller part of the problem and more related to why obesity rates are higher in certain areas rather than why they are so high nation wide. It needs fixed, but even if you eliminated all food deserts rates wouldn't change much as most people would still buy unhealthy food at the new stores as it's a societal/cultural problem more than an access and cost issue (though both matter of course).
You are really arguing that sports cause injuries so they are as bad as overeating? Sports are the only things keeping a good amount of children and young adults from becoming overweight.