I'd really like one of the defenders of Sanders to answer this. I know you've posted it a couple of times and they keep breezing right by. I wonder why.
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Sarah Sanders and Family Reportedly Denied Service at Virginia Restaurant
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I'd really like one of the defenders of Sanders to answer this. I know you've posted it a couple of times and they keep breezing right by. I wonder why.
It's great to try to be a good person, but you should not have to try to be better than Sarah Sanders. The owner of that restaurant could light the building on fire with Sarah Sanders in it and by most metrics would still be a better person than Sarah Sanders (hypothetical example, not condoning it, etc). Refusing service to her and her family could not possibly put anyone at risk for being as bad as Sarah Sanders if they're even a half decent person otherwise. If you have to actually try then you must be doing something wrong.
I mean, I can think of a few things if you'll grant me that Mexicans are human beings for instance.
So you think someone who supports racism and child abuse should be treated the same as someone who doesn't?
Seriously?
Sanders deserves to be charged with a crime. She is supposed to uphold the constitution, and just violated this person's first amendment right.
The logical extreme of "I separate artists from their art": "I separate politicians from their policies"
I'm waiting for the inevitable take where a salty Republican tried to compare this to segregation.
Aaaaaaany minute now
Aaaaaaany minute now
I said I try to be the better person, not a better person. As in, I try to stay true to morals regardless of how other people treat me, although I wouldn't begrudge anyone for choosing a different path.
One of my buddies pointed out she violated some govt ethics rule that she cant use her personal twitter account to complain about anything publicly. She should techniclaly be fired Monday, but probably wont be
Also, to the people complaining about her being treated unfairly, shes a public figure entering a restaurant, not a random citizen buying a cake. A restaurant owner can refuse anyone service they decide for any reason not related to sex or religion, especially someone in the public eye who could cause a scene.
A baker wasnt(but can now because of Republicans) allowed to turn away a couple for asking for a personalized cake.
Also, to the people complaining about her being treated unfairly, shes a public figure entering a restaurant, not a random citizen buying a cake. A restaurant owner can refuse anyone service they decide for any reason not related to sex or religion, especially someone in the public eye who could cause a scene.
A baker wasnt(but can now because of Republicans) allowed to turn away a couple for asking for a personalized cake.
We already had someone call it McCarthyism (oh the irony) so it'll be soon.
This is really a semantic issue about how people are defining the term "discrimination."
If you're using it to mean something like "unlawfully choosing not to serve somebody," then obviously your hypothetical and the Sarah Sanders thing wouldn't qualify since both of these are perfectly legal.
If you're using the term to mean "choosing not to serve somebody," then yes the restaurant discriminated against Sanders, but who cares? There's nothing inherently illegal or wrong about that type of discrimination if you use the word that way.
I think what's happening here is a motte and bailey argument where people are really using the term the second way while hoping to sneak in the "unlawful" or "unjustified" connotation of the first definition.
The business can and should sue. But yeah nothing is going to happen to Sarah especially when you remember who her boss is and what he does with his twitter account.
If your morals tell you that everyone deserves to be treated equally no matter their character, then they're not very robust morals and they don't equip you for all the gray areas in life.
I hope that your morals also tell you when you should take action and stop turning the other cheek. You only have two, you know...
I would much rather support people on patreon who are providing social goods like this than give yet another person a platform to blog about retro video games or host a podcast.
There comes a time even if you want to be a good person that you take a stand against the horrible treatment some bestow upon a society, these people made their bed, people don't have to take it.
Makes me rather proud of the United States to see folks taking a stand instead of taking it like normal.
Makes me rather proud of the United States to see folks taking a stand instead of taking it like normal.
Aren't all disingenuous far right arguments posed in that manner? They think they're smart, but they're just furthering the depths at which they look like inhuman assholes. I simply don't play word games with them anymore. I know and understand they would absolutely put people like me up against a wall if they got complete power. Fuck them. I know what they want.
The generalizations and speaking like a forum is a livejournal is some weird shit thats been happening on this site
In a perfect world, she would be denied service everywhere she went.
She should live her entire life in shame, as should every member of this administration who doesn't end up in jail.
Yes, I know both of those are essentially fantasies.
She should live her entire life in shame, as should every member of this administration who doesn't end up in jail.
Yes, I know both of those are essentially fantasies.
You know what they say... you lie down with dogs, you get rightly kicked out of a restaurant so decent human beings don't have to look at your bigoted face while they're trying to eat.
Good on these guys for taking a stand against pieces of shit who have seemingly made it their mission in life to make the world a worse place for everyone.
I mean... what if Jeremy Irons was forcing them to do it?
Good on these guys for taking a stand against pieces of shit who have seemingly made it their mission in life to make the world a worse place for everyone.
I mean... what if Jeremy Irons was forcing them to do it?
... sorry.
Shes a public figure, she can legally be refused service for the rest of her life because of the scene she could potentially cause. Its the same as a famou srock band being told they cant come to a bar after a show.
Nah fuck this.
The crippling fear you feel right now about how people are being uncivil and partisan isn't 1/100th of the existential dread felt by immigrants, minorities, LGBT people and anybody else in the crosshairs for the ongoing, nationwide campaign to dehumanize them led primarily by the current president and the people who blindly follow him to 'make america great again.' Sarah Sanders is the full-time mouthpiece for such policies. Congratulations, you now possess the absolute minimum amount of knowledge required to participate in this discussion, and your deep, heart-felt """""concerns""""" are still a huge stinking pile of concern-trolling horse shit.
It's because they aren't there for a discussion of why it's important, but why they're right.
Oh, on this administration you can do that and more, have you seen the potus Twitter?
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I know. It's often a struggle.
Tell me about it.
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This isn't even close to being factual. No matter how many times it's repeated, it doesn't reflect reality, but it may get people to believe it more and more. This form of thinking just furthers the divide between the left and the right.
What in the what? Are you guys getting this text from somewhere else? All the same words as another poster in this thread. Beginning to think that LukeOP is on to something with Era being astroturfed.
Edit: LOL, I think I missed the joke.
Edit: Wait you were serious?
*tinfoil hat on*
Mods got some sleuthing to do.
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This isn't even close to being a coherent contribution to the discussion, instead just more tone policing.
I want your life where my big fucking problem is how something 'furthers the divide between left and right' instead of what my family has to go through thanks to the normalization of hateful rhetoric. Have fun caping for the next Unite The Right rally.
Maybe if the Right weren't literally putting children in camps we'd be more civil.
Christ.
