It IS in every Eula. Not sure what you think you gain by arguing this point, Epic putting it in their Eula is 100% standard. Not sure how that somehow makes Sony not the ones at fault for this issue.
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Sony's Fortnite crossplay account block is now covered by mainstream press [Sony Responds]
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Yup. That good ole EULA. I actually want someone to sue, just to see the outcome.
Ah no, that isn't what is being argued here. What is being argued here is that we were not actually given clear distinction of our accounts being locked to a single console platform, in a clear and legible manner. EULA's are not actually legible and actually don't hold any ground in Australia and for certain I believe in the UK/EU as well. The fact I didn't know that me linking my PlayStation account to my Epic Games account was going to lock me out of ever playing the content I bought ON MY PC is utterly ridiculous and a standard EULA agreement isn't going to sway that opinion.
Actually no, I was incorrect in my prior statement as it seems it was possible earlier on this year to switch from Xbox to PlayStation but not go backwards but now it apparently will just straight up deny you on either console side. So the current standard is as follows:
You can create an Epic Games account on Switch, Xbox, PC or Mobile and play between all of those with the one account. As soon as that account is linked with PlayStation though it irreversibly becomes locked to PlayStation 4, PC and Mobile with no forewarning of that happening. So the content you may have purchased via any of the other shops is now only available through one console system, Sony's, and PC or Mobile. No switching between the other console platforms even if you may have bought content on PC or Mobile.
I already said this, but I'll repeat it.
This might work in Freedom ™ Land, but in Europe EULAs don't mean shit. Epic can't just do whatever the EULA says, they might as well not have an EULA.
Question:
Has anyone asked for a refund on their Fortnite purchases on PSN or seeking other damages as a result of loss from this issue? There's a whole lot of outrage over this, but my guess is that Epic and Sony do not perceive this as affecting a substantial number of people. Considering their market presence, giving up the goose to allow crossplay to other platforms that represent a fraction of the footprint that they do is tantamount to charity. Until Sony or Epic see a substantive loss as a result from real users being affected, the parade sounds a lot like a shrill teenager on a bullhorn.
Has anyone asked for a refund on their Fortnite purchases on PSN or seeking other damages as a result of loss from this issue? There's a whole lot of outrage over this, but my guess is that Epic and Sony do not perceive this as affecting a substantial number of people. Considering their market presence, giving up the goose to allow crossplay to other platforms that represent a fraction of the footprint that they do is tantamount to charity. Until Sony or Epic see a substantive loss as a result from real users being affected, the parade sounds a lot like a shrill teenager on a bullhorn.
That's not really an option, Sony have no refund system, you have to phone support and they'll maybe do a full refund for you once (definitely won't with Fortnite BR as you buy V-Bucks from PSN, not the skins). EPIC gives you 3 refunds, but an item can only be refunded if you bought it within the last 30 days.
So let's say I bought a skin for fortnite on Xbox one using Xbox live to make the purchase and equipped it then I turned off my Xbox and logged on into PS4 and played fortnite with the same epic account but made no purshases what so ever then turned off my PS4 and turned on my Xbox one will I be unable to use the Skin that I bought on Xbox live? This can't be true
I will give my take from the account blocking...
Epic is the only one to blame...
Sony probably didn't allow Purchase on PSN to be used on XB1 or Switch (and vice versa) and that is fine in their business.
Epic instead to code a system that support that with either disabling purchase from PSN on others consoles (and vice versa) or handle a secondary profile for the same account or another smart way to handle the issue (ask gamers if want to reset progress and unlink PSN Id to play on others consoles, etc).
No. Epic choose to block your account.
They are the one to blame, the one that can unblock your account, the one you need to ask about, the one that can change how the game handle that.
Sony can't do nothing about that.
Epic is the only one to blame...
Sony probably didn't allow Purchase on PSN to be used on XB1 or Switch (and vice versa) and that is fine in their business.
Epic instead to code a system that support that with either disabling purchase from PSN on others consoles (and vice versa) or handle a secondary profile for the same account or another smart way to handle the issue (ask gamers if want to reset progress and unlink PSN Id to play on others consoles, etc).
No. Epic choose to block your account.
They are the one to blame, the one that can unblock your account, the one you need to ask about, the one that can change how the game handle that.
Sony can't do nothing about that.
Whatever console is signed into first gets priority.
So PS4 first, no Xbox or Switch for that account.
No.. the short of it;
1. Make purchases on PC
2. Link account to PSN generally say for a free skin or to "play at a mates house"
- zero money spent on PSN -
3. Try to use Epic account on Switch - No benuo
Account is now locked to "Sony approved platforms" (read everything else other that X1 or SW)
Only remedy is to create a new account to use on SW - as prescribed by their error messages
Thus the "account held hostage by Sony"
Note: This also applies in reverse. Account used on X1 or SW initially can not be linked to PSN - they have girl cooties or something.
Main scenarios that trip people up
A) Example used above (as my case - well my nephews) Play on PC, bought v-bucks via PC, linked to PSN for whatever reason, now can't use account on their SW
B) PS4 owners whom have bought the SW and can't use the account.
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Thank you for your "hot take" that has no basis or reason, I would like to draw your attention to the error message as presented in the OP.. in case you missed it, it will paste it below
But hey, Epic could be lying in that to "protect" Sony.. I guess?
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You choose to believe this, but that is your choice. Epic made it very clear that Sony is responsible. You can choose to believe they are lying or not.
There is basically no way to Sony block a 3rd party account in a 3rd party game lol
It is not a matter of believe or not.
They can of course ask (and have a contract) to Purchase to not be used in others devices.
How to handle that is on own game developer.
BTW where is the Epic "very clear" statement please.
Epic finally made a statement directly about the account locking? Link please.
That could have some grounds of reason, but if you actually read some of this thread, you will find examples of when people whom have not spent a single cent in PSN on Fortnite being locked (refer to those Paragon accounts)
The sheer act of just linking and only linking is enough to get the account lock
User Banned (two weeks): History of bad faith arguments, moving goalposts, to defend a company.
That what I said... Epic choose the easy way to code just an account block instead to handle it in a proper way.
Said that the biggest issue with Crossplay for platform holders is the share of the revenue from purchase... that is thing that the developers/publishers will have to find a solution in the middle way where all platform holders get a share to make them accept Crossplay.
While they didn't reach a consensus for all parts Crossplay won't work in a business sense.
But that is another talk not related to the account block... that is on Epic side to fix the things.
Yes, Epics dev teams are full of enept coders and DBA with fountains of cash flowing at them.. at least I should be happy that you said there is an account lock in place.. which is more that others have done.
Now it's just doing a Chris Crocker and a "Leave Sony Alone" theme.
When the fault of the issue lies on developer... of course.
There are many ways to not have an account lock even following the Sony's crossplay rules.
So how it works?
If anybody believes the share from purchase (these 30%) are not a issue... then I don't know why different console platforms or app/game stores exists.
Everything could be PC with an single open store.
How you revenue from purchase is the base of any business... not only software.
No there isn't btween consoles. DQX actually has crossplay but it still segregates accounts and purchases entirely just like Fortnite.
At this moment I don't like Sony's arrogant behavior with this situation.
I remember in March this year, Epic CEO mentioned that they are still in discussion for Cross play between Microsoft and Sony, but can't confirm any dates or details yet.
IMO, Sony will eventually have to open up at some point...
I remember in March this year, Epic CEO mentioned that they are still in discussion for Cross play between Microsoft and Sony, but can't confirm any dates or details yet.
IMO, Sony will eventually have to open up at some point...
Segregate... not lock.
Sony didn't allow to use puschase from PSN on competitor consoles or vice versa... you just disable these purchase or create a secondary profile behind your account to separate these purchases or any other way to handle these platform's rules.
That is what I said before.
The only one that can fix that is Epic.
Even if Sony chanfevit rules only Epic can fix it.
There is no way Sony can change the Eluc's game code.
I'm talking about how you think Epic can flip a switch and fix the account issue. It's not theirs so fix.
Developer creates game.
Developer meets with platform representatives.
Platform representatives give developer guidance and rules to release said game. Developers must adhere to this or risk not getting their game on said platform.
Each platform has a specific set of guidelines for the developer to meet.
Developer's game goes through verification process to make sure their game adheres to the guidelines set forth by platform holder.
Game releases on platforms.
Epic does not own the accounts. The platform holder owns the account.
The lock is in the own Epic account...
PSN account or other console account is only linked to it.
Hell Epic even could give an option to unlink account to unlock their account in others systems.
Jesus, Epic.. hire this guy!
Dude.. now your showing your lack of knowledge of the subject and just running Sony defense force..
Because Epic does offer you an option to unlock... but there is a big box there that says "will not remove the platform lock"
I would post that image for you but I just can't be bothered. (Hint: it's pasted in this thread like 15 times already)
No, DQX accounts are locked too. You can't use it on Wii U or Switch even though you can crossplay with them.
PSO2 accounts are also locked, and no crossplay. Noticing a pattern?
Respectfully, this is all gobbledygook.
You're clueless as to how any of this is "coded," both in the more technical/practical sense, and also what's the result of policy demands from Sony. The revenue, presumably, is handled exactly as you'd expect; The marketplace where the content is purchased gets their cut, and Epic gets the remainder. Since Epic is the publisher, they can "give" users any content they choose when they use that account on any platform it's available on. Acting like that's some impossible quagmire is ignoring the reality of literally every other platform except the PS4 being worked out just fine in Fortnite to share game progress data and profile purchases. It's exactly how the Ubisoft Club rewards work on every platform. The idea that given all that, "it won't work in a business sense" is inane.
The idea that Epic is the party that needs to deal with this is laughable.
So Epic can activate Crossplay/Crossprogression and there is nothing Sony can do about it? If Sony has no control over the code, then hell, even Rocket League could just flip their switch and have no repercussions.
Epic has established that if it was there choice, everything would be crossplay/cross progression.
Sony has established that if it exists on their console, it isn't going to do anything with any competing console.
With that said, i think complaining to Epic is a waste of time, because we already know both companies stance's on this subject, and which one would be responsible for causing the change if it happened. Unless all you want is a warning screen, that is.
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Sony needs to deal with it and judging by their response, they're not doing anything about it. Epic's hands are 100% tied. What do you want Epic to do? Force Sony? Take matters into their own hands and risk the game being locked out on Sony's platforms? Get sued? Please tell me how Epic needs to deal with this.
Well, that's just it, though. Where is the ERA poster doing the victory dance for us?
The blame I put on Epic is them knowing of the locking and not putting up a clear warning before the linking of their accounts to PSN.
Epic isn't even responding to the locking of accounts at all. That to me shows they knew this was going to happen from the start and never warned customers of what would happen when linking their Epic Games Account to PSN.
All I ever wanted is that Epic be held accountable for not warning about the locking once you linked to PSN.
People acting as if Epic is an innocent party in this is laughable. Now, I am not saying they deserve any kind of discourse on the same level of Sony, but certainly deserve some.
Really feels like enough time has passed that Sony is going to get away with this. Other than a vocal minority, it feels like the outrage has moved on to acceptance.
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This is what I think and this is only my business opinion. Epic, unless they want to get into a legal battle with Sony, can't (for lack of a better term) be a voice for accounts that are not under their control.
Warning players about Sony's policies on accounts, linking, gear, etc, can be a breach. More or less, "We knew what would happen, but we couldn't say anything about it until after the fact because the warning would be a detriment to the platform holder.."
Ok, since im getting a bit tired of doing this, i'm just going to quote an older post and say that the developer can't imply that you could or should play somewhere else from inside the game, for what i hope are obvious reasons, and therefore was unable to even warn people of this.
And more importantly, solving the effect doesn't solve the cause. Complaining about not receiving a warning that your account got locked, and not about the fact that your account got locked, makes me feel like we skipped a few steps somewhere.
The majority of people probably are single console (or primarily single entry point) players. It sucks but honestly Sony is likely okay taking a short term optics hit versus the revenue they might potentially lose.
I never once said that Sony wasn't at fault. I just think they are not the only ones. That has been my stance from the very start of this. I didn't jump or skip any steps. :)
I don't see the issue going away. It will loose its intensity, sure. But that's because of the initial launch to ~current~ Switch owners. And most now have accepted the fact, cut their losses and made new accounts.
I made a post 'about 20pgs back explaining why I personally feel it won't - but I'm not a soothsayer and can't predict the future but we are talking about the biggest game 'of the moment'
And when I said this on Monday;
"The narrative will change -you see the line "Xbox haz no games" - people will start replying with "at least they don't steal my shit" or "at least they are pro consumer"'
You can already see that happening with some of the various other threads between then and now.
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This has ALREADY happened. With Fortnite.. MULTIPLE times.
MULTIPLE times Fortnite Devs have fucked up an update and released versions that had PSN - XBL crossplay enabled.
Lol wat?! So Sony is running the Account servers for Epic games?
By that reasoning... you believe then that sony is keeping track of data and progression for IOS, PC and all android accounts?
Orrr are you saying that Apple owns all the IOS accounts
Microsoft Owns all the PC accounts and Google owns all the Android accounts?
Is that your claim?
Does Google own my Tinder account too?