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Sony WWS are firing on all cylinders, but Corporate/Systems are asleep at the wheel
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Well said.
This.
http://manuals.playstation.net/document/gb/ps4/settings/data_system.html
Been a while but I found this post on the PS forums that reminded me, I think these are still the steps:
http://community.eu.playstation.com...PS4-between-two-consoles/m-p/24918949#M216488
Hope that helps!
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User Banned (1 Week): Inflammatory system wars + comparing opinions about video games to American nationalism
Yup age of trump people
If you want something uniquely American bullshitting and spinning is par for the course
Microsoft and their pr have frequently played opportunistic cards like with crossplay despite this being one of few factors of an advantage fir them and even at that only superficially so since playstation has had crossplay for a while just not with other consoles
An example of bsing.... Who was it who said announcing a console without showing it is one way to do it? And now they've done it twice? Yeah. Microsoft has the American chup on the shoulder more concerned with immediate appearances and image in the moment that American media and fans respond to more but not everyone worldwide and even in us market falls for that
Sony has typically taken the clasier approach of not attacking back in response even if people don't like the fortnite issue major cultural differences between the two companies one likes far more to just let their products represent themselves
But yea writing a story and spinning a narrative despite the factz is fine but unfortunately under the guise of "opinion" a lot of not very genuine people believe that's actually OK but it isn't
Sony and playstation turning around their entire brand and company in the last 5 years and developing syudios over decades and leading the generation on a well planned and executed mosel for games and media apparently means they don't do anything worthwhile behind the scenes? Lol alright
Oh and at the same time they launched the best selling VR platform a games streaming service and a TV service make increasingly advanced medical imaging and thei stock has more than doubled in 5 years and tlou2 has the most impressive animation of any game to date gaming wise
But yea they don't know what they're doing completely out of touch
If you want something uniquely American bullshitting and spinning is par for the course
Microsoft and their pr have frequently played opportunistic cards like with crossplay despite this being one of few factors of an advantage fir them and even at that only superficially so since playstation has had crossplay for a while just not with other consoles
An example of bsing.... Who was it who said announcing a console without showing it is one way to do it? And now they've done it twice? Yeah. Microsoft has the American chup on the shoulder more concerned with immediate appearances and image in the moment that American media and fans respond to more but not everyone worldwide and even in us market falls for that
Sony has typically taken the clasier approach of not attacking back in response even if people don't like the fortnite issue major cultural differences between the two companies one likes far more to just let their products represent themselves
But yea writing a story and spinning a narrative despite the factz is fine but unfortunately under the guise of "opinion" a lot of not very genuine people believe that's actually OK but it isn't
Sony and playstation turning around their entire brand and company in the last 5 years and developing syudios over decades and leading the generation on a well planned and executed mosel for games and media apparently means they don't do anything worthwhile behind the scenes? Lol alright
Oh and at the same time they launched the best selling VR platform a games streaming service and a TV service make increasingly advanced medical imaging and thei stock has more than doubled in 5 years and tlou2 has the most impressive animation of any game to date gaming wise
But yea they don't know what they're doing completely out of touch
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I'm not saying they're not making amazing games on a consistent basis. In fact, my thread title is literally the opposite.
Just wanted to express my disapproval - as I have many times - of Sony's abandonment of their own indies.
For me, the last few years of the PS3's cycle were Sony's prime as far as their software releases were concerned. We got a wide variety of AAA games from multiple genres like The Last of Us, Uncharted 2 and 3, Resistance 3, Puppeteer, and Sly Cooper. And that was also balanced out with some really great digital games like Sound Shapes, The Unfinished Swan, Journey, the various PixelJunk games, and the original PSmini release of Velocity, and Hohokum. The incubated studios working alongside Santa Monica were on fire.
Now that branch doesn't even exist, and even the XDev branch seems to be waning with Housemarque abandoning the arcade genre.
I still have always wanted to know exactly what happened with the Santa Monica situation. I know that in the case of thatgamecompany, they completed their contract for three games, but other developers like Giant Sparrow - who I know specifically signed a similar 3 game deal - were let go of after only releasing one game. Thankfully Annapurna Interactive - which actually contains quite a few ex-Sony employees - picked up a lot of those projects. But other teams, like Queasy Games, were lost in the transition, which leaves me wondering if we'll ever get another terrific rhythm game from them again.
Sure, the indie scene is thriving, and there are even plenty of indie publishers now, but in my opinion there can never be too many. Saying that Sony doesn't need to focus on it now because plenty of other people are covering the indie market is silly. Just look at the case of Queasy Games, a very competent developer who appears to have vanished. There are countless studios like Queasy Games, or Studio MDHR, or Coldwood Interactive, Zoink Games, and Jo-Mei Games, who form mutually beneficial relationships with large scale publishers, allowing them to release projects that may have never been as good as they were, or ever even seen the light of day.
Plus, a platform holder can always use that extra diversity in their lineup - especially considering the bloating development times we're seeing today and the disappearance of genres completely. There's a lot of value in having your own, exclusive, unique, smaller titles to fill the gaps between big releases.
On the subject of the PS+ offerings, I actually preferred the older way. If I want to play a AAA game, I'll buy it - especially if it is first party. So while a lot of people cheer any time a AAA game is offered, I'd actually prefer quality indies. Some of my favorite offerings were Resogun, Velocity 2X, and Furi - all phenomenal games given away at launch for free. I vastly prefer that, or the method of voting that never took off, over AAA's sloppy seconds from years ago.
For me, the last few years of the PS3's cycle were Sony's prime as far as their software releases were concerned. We got a wide variety of AAA games from multiple genres like The Last of Us, Uncharted 2 and 3, Resistance 3, Puppeteer, and Sly Cooper. And that was also balanced out with some really great digital games like Sound Shapes, The Unfinished Swan, Journey, the various PixelJunk games, and the original PSmini release of Velocity, and Hohokum. The incubated studios working alongside Santa Monica were on fire.
Now that branch doesn't even exist, and even the XDev branch seems to be waning with Housemarque abandoning the arcade genre.
I still have always wanted to know exactly what happened with the Santa Monica situation. I know that in the case of thatgamecompany, they completed their contract for three games, but other developers like Giant Sparrow - who I know specifically signed a similar 3 game deal - were let go of after only releasing one game. Thankfully Annapurna Interactive - which actually contains quite a few ex-Sony employees - picked up a lot of those projects. But other teams, like Queasy Games, were lost in the transition, which leaves me wondering if we'll ever get another terrific rhythm game from them again.
Sure, the indie scene is thriving, and there are even plenty of indie publishers now, but in my opinion there can never be too many. Saying that Sony doesn't need to focus on it now because plenty of other people are covering the indie market is silly. Just look at the case of Queasy Games, a very competent developer who appears to have vanished. There are countless studios like Queasy Games, or Studio MDHR, or Coldwood Interactive, Zoink Games, and Jo-Mei Games, who form mutually beneficial relationships with large scale publishers, allowing them to release projects that may have never been as good as they were, or ever even seen the light of day.
Plus, a platform holder can always use that extra diversity in their lineup - especially considering the bloating development times we're seeing today and the disappearance of genres completely. There's a lot of value in having your own, exclusive, unique, smaller titles to fill the gaps between big releases.
On the subject of the PS+ offerings, I actually preferred the older way. If I want to play a AAA game, I'll buy it - especially if it is first party. So while a lot of people cheer any time a AAA game is offered, I'd actually prefer quality indies. Some of my favorite offerings were Resogun, Velocity 2X, and Furi - all phenomenal games given away at launch for free. I vastly prefer that, or the method of voting that never took off, over AAA's sloppy seconds from years ago.
Corporate was calculated to close unprofitable studios with low potential. I hope Sony shuts down the London studios next and buys/opens a new studio elsewhere. It is by far the most expensive location in EU to build games, and they are making the worst games in there.
Onrush is a bomb and it is at least 50% Motorstorm, the franchise had no future. Closing Evolution was a right step.
Onrush is a bomb and it is at least 50% Motorstorm, the franchise had no future. Closing Evolution was a right step.
Thanks. It turns out the process is hobbled. You can activate auto upload for saves only on the primary console, leaving you to manually manage any other PS4 you log into. It shouldn't be so hard, and another example of a Sony-ism for this thread.
The primary purpose of PS+ is enabling the ability to play online. That's what everyone is subscribing to it for. Everything else is an additional "bonus" feature.
If Sony just removed the monthly games from it entirely, they would lose almost no subscribers.
Didn't realize the cultural divide between Washington and Southern California was so wide.
Wow Sony fits 120k employees in one roof amazing! Stupid and facetious response doesn't even deserve this response but let's play along for a post
Didn't realize the cultural divide between Washington and Southern California was so wide.
If you don't realize how reductive your own post is that's just.straight up hopeless choosing to be so foolish is a bigger problem than most seen in this thread already at leasy op had some guise going on
But congratulations on the trumpism doing very well with how meaningless your post is unsurprisingly only focused on imagery with no substance channelling strong trump americanism nice
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i miss yu yoshida, adam boyes, jack tretton etc and the spotlight they gave indies. even if it was just smoke and mirrors to get me thinking they were "cool", sony's attitude early in the ps4 gen was one of the reasons i felt really good supporting them
everything feels so buttoned up and corporate, now. and the way theyve stopped pushing indie titles at stuff like e3 makes the early indie focus feel opportunistic, rather than genuine. now they have enough big AAA games so they dont need those indie guys anymore
everything feels so buttoned up and corporate, now. and the way theyve stopped pushing indie titles at stuff like e3 makes the early indie focus feel opportunistic, rather than genuine. now they have enough big AAA games so they dont need those indie guys anymore
Well when you get back in a week, realize that this thread is about Sony Interactive Entertainment, which has ~8000 employees and is headquartered in California, not the entire conglomerate. If you want to talk about the consumer-friendliness of Sony Financial's insurance packages, then maybe start a thread in Off-Topic.
And maybe save the Trump comparisons for a time when thousands of migrant children aren't being kidnapped, and possibly tortured and killed. Some unenlightened Americans might mistake it as tasteless and crass.
Playing Ratchet & Clank from PS+ I just realized that I really wished Sony made sure the PS4 got more of these real fun feelgood cartoon games on their system. As much as I like and look forward to their current titles it's all very gritty and dark. The PS4 could also use some more lightheartedness. Sure Dreams and Spiderman are coming but I'm really missing R&C, Jak & Daxter and Sly Cooper type games.
I'd be shocked if we didn't get another Ratchet and Sly. Knack 3 will also fill that genre of games. Though for PS4, those type of games are probably dead, with Concrete Genie being the closest we'll get.
From all the steps in the right direction that Xbox division did ..In my opinion if the X had thos 2 or 3 good cinematics third person exclusive games at year there would not even be a competition
The system software updates are really poor. The last few we've gotten have added minor features like Events and a lot of Parental guideline stuff.
Update 6.0 should hopefully come this fall and I really hope we see something interesting from it.
Update 6.0 should hopefully come this fall and I really hope we see something interesting from it.
Although Knack 2 apparently isn't half bad it's a far cry from the former cartoony platformers Sony brought in the past. I guess you are right though but Sony really could surprise me with some new fun platformers (and some JRPG). That would really bring me back to the PS2 glory days.
All these complaints are so minor or picky lol.
People are really looking for any reason to knock Sony off their throne these days.
The only complaint I have is that PS4 still sells for $299. That's ridiculously high this late in the gen. They could be selling so much more consoles if they were competitive with pricing.
People are really looking for any reason to knock Sony off their throne these days.
The only complaint I have is that PS4 still sells for $299. That's ridiculously high this late in the gen. They could be selling so much more consoles if they were competitive with pricing.
They just revealed one for PSVR. That's where most of the quirky stuff is going now.
Astro bot rescue looks like that kind of game. Although it's psvr
E3 dampened my outlook that this gen would surpass PS2 quality. I've moved from excited to content, even though I just got a PS4 Pro. Everything just seems a lot more routine now.
Sony has been great this gen. Hopefully they are 100% focusing on ps5 stuff now. only thing missing is streamable demos for all games. I think they are going in that direction with ps now. I hope they have all these great features ready for ps5.
Would be great if native bc with all ps consoles was there for ps5 but i dont expect it. maybe with ps now.
Would be great if native bc with all ps consoles was there for ps5 but i dont expect it. maybe with ps now.
I think your take on backwards compatibility is somewhat naive and ignorant.
The best part of backwards compatibility on Xbox one, to me, isn't that my old games work but rather that old games I never played work. I use backwards compatibility more to play games I missed out on than I do to replay games I already experienced. A few weeks ago I purchased and played SSX 3 for the first time ever. I wouldn't have done that if it wasn't backwards compatible and easily available on the store.
It's not just a handful of people using their old disks. It's games getting a new life. It saddens me that people downplay this just because their team doesn't support the feature.
Or maybe they just simply aren't interested and don't get much gaming time so it's hard to keep up with new releases.
I had a launch ps3 that was fully BC and I used it maybe twice. I know for sure I finished the very last bit of FFXII and played about half an hour or resident evil directors cut .
I work 40+ hour weeks and have a two year old so I get about 5 hours gaming time a week off I chose to ignore my other hobbies such as playing guitar or writing so for me personally BC is actuality a negative as if it isn't there when the PS5 is around that gets rid of my backlog and I can move on with new games.
Ok that's great for you. But that doesn't change the fact that his take on backwards compatibility is bad. If you don't have a ton of free time and don't want to play old games that's your business, but it doesn't change the fact that backwards compatibility is a good feature to have. Writing it off as something that only a handful of people will use is simply incorrect and a terrible way of downplaying what could be a great feature for playstation. And my main point was that the person I quoted simply ignored a major part of backwards compatibility: that every backwards compatible game is available to be purchased digitally and it's not just for the "5000 people who still have PS2 disks laying around."
Also, comparing backwards compatibility on Xbox One (and what we would like to see on playstation) to backwards compatibility of past consoles is a bit ignorant of the current landscape. You might have been more likely to use the feature if some old games you never played were available to download on the store for somewhere around $10-$20. I didn't use backwards compatibility much in the past either outside of playing Halo 2 on my 360, but I have used it a lot more on my Xbox One. There are a lot of great games I missed out on back on the 360 and OG Xbox which are now easily available and cheap on Xbox One.
It looks like it but Sony was surprised with the success of the recent Crash Bandicoot game for PS4. It did really well in the charts. Apparently there is a market for the quirky cartoony platformers like the PS2 had. We'll just have to wait and see if Sony does the smart thing and do something with it.
Not that I don't value that they are bringing out titles like that on PSVR but the PS4 needs them too.
I never had a PS3 until 2016. I only bought a PS3 to play Demon's Souls and MGS4. Then I bought a PS4 to play Bloodborne. Would've been nice to play Demon's Souls/MGS4 without shelling out an extra hundred dollars for a PS3 because a company is too stubborn to implement BC. BC is great for people who never owned a PS3 until a PS4.
Don't shit on it just because you don't use it.
The games were available to buy on the ps3 store well ps1 games.
But Sony did say when they removed the hardware BC on ps3 it was only 6% of users that used it consistently.
I never once shat on it I was just providing an alternative perspective rather than BC is great or BC is bad.
Some people are disinterested because they have no use for it not because a competing platform has it.
so, about BC, the ps3 was a hardware really really really bad designed, there are lots of interviews about how devs had no Idea of how programing for. That is why we are not surprised by the fact that ps4 don't have BC. Even the processor is weaker compared to ps3.
Good lord, talk about reaching. BC and PSN ID change are technical limitations. No, Sony is not your friend. And neither are MS and Nintendo, assuming that's the delusion you are under. But none of them are intentionally holding back features just to piss you off. This isn't a cartoon. These are huge businesses that prioritize different things. Just because your wishlist doesn't align with their business plan, doesn't make them "evil". They cater to the market, not just a few people on a forum.
Shutting down studios? Everyone does that. Welcome to multi-million dollar business. It's not all rainbows and sunshine.
$20 4k blu ray drive? That's a lot of money when it comes to manufacturing. And they determined the extra cost wouldn't be worth it given the extremely low number people buying UHD discs. It's not personal, it's just the math they did. If MS came to the other conclusion, that's fine. Maybe it will be reflected in their Xbox One sales eventually...
Taking advantage of being "market leader"? Duh. That's what businesses do. They got to this point by doing the things you're criticizing them for. Obviously it's worked well for them. Now it's up to the competition to force their hand.
Ultimately you can make a laundry list of pros/cons for all three companies to prove they are "asleep at the wheel" or "anti-consumer". Yes, even Microsoft. None of them are perfect.
PS1, PS2, and PSP emulation are not technical limitations. They have a PS2 emulator, they just charge for it. They also used a PSP emulator to run Parappa.
Yes, I'm sure they could. Would it be worth it just to satisfy a few people who are into collecting? Probably not. And even if they did, that particular crowd would just find something else to whine about. Like not being able to use their original ps1 memory cards or some shit.
There's a reason the ps2 section on the ps store is so anemic. It's not some goldmine for publishers. Trying to sell super old sub-480p games with shit graphics and shit controls is pretty hard in 2018, I'd imagine.
A lot of publishers have expressed interest in bringing back their old games to newer systems. There are some publishers that have enabled some of their old Xbox and Xbox 360 games to be played on Xbox One. Some of those same games were also available on PlayStation 2, but those games are not playable on PlayStation 4.
The PS2 emulator on PS4 adds other benefits to the old games, such as improved performance (higher resolution rendering and better frame rates), screen shot/video capture, Remote Play, and SharePlay.
The reason you haven't seen much action from publishers is not because they think the games wouldn't look or play well, but because Sony mandates the addition of trophies to the games. Unlike the other benefits I mentioned in the above paragraph (which are mostly "automatic" anddon't require developer intervention), adding trophies requires a sizeable time and labor investment. When you factor in that investment, most publishers simply don't want to be bothered. Lifting that requirement would likely motivate these publishers to jump on board.
alot of ps2 games are fucking iconic and could easily be sold back to people at a nice price. I barely played my PS2, it'd be awesome to play some of those games. microsoft does it with ORIGINAL xbox games. Why can't sony?
I find it incredible that Sony hit it out of the park at the start of this gen and continued the fantastic streak ever since.
Great existing 1st party exclusives, great investment in new IPs, great 3rd party support, VR innovation and support, fantastic hardware price ect.
While MS spent all this gen course correcting and Nintendo swept the Wii-U under the rug after 3 or so years and replaced it with the Switch almost as fast as MS killed off and replaced the OG Xbox. But hay MS and Nintendo are the good guys who give gamers everything and sony are the evil corporation.
I just don't get it?
Like are ports and services more important than games now?
Great existing 1st party exclusives, great investment in new IPs, great 3rd party support, VR innovation and support, fantastic hardware price ect.
While MS spent all this gen course correcting and Nintendo swept the Wii-U under the rug after 3 or so years and replaced it with the Switch almost as fast as MS killed off and replaced the OG Xbox. But hay MS and Nintendo are the good guys who give gamers everything and sony are the evil corporation.
I just don't get it?
Like are ports and services more important than games now?
Sony is so taking advantage of their position that they don't make people pay for online f2p games.
They also used their position to not force small indies on "better than parity" and other bs clauses.
*They didn't allow EA access because it's basically a competitor to their own store and PS Now.
* Mods have been allowed since a whille now
* They have championned Xplay, just not with their direct competition
* They have had a form of BC since before the competition with PSNow, but PS3 games apparently can't be emulated. PS2 and PS1 games should be though.
* Refunds do exists, just not automatic
* PSN name change is coming, as per Layden, but it seems to be technically complex probably due to PS3 legacy support
* They actually are opening new studios for games, one this year even is in creation currently
* The PSVR has had actually very good support, including deals to bring AAA such as RE7, Skyrim, Ace Combat 7 among others.
... We're at the point of making things up now, wth is going on here?
This thread is a huge example of why I hope Microsoft and Sony come out of the gates next gen on even grounds. People tout exclusives like the only thing that matters but this is a very recent development. The last two years have been undeniable with game quality but history revisionists like say its been like this all generation. Not even Nintendo is that consistent and they are the kings of exclusives in this industry. So that let's me know it won't last forever.
Unlike what people say on Era it's there is more to consoles now than games . Who new they wanted Netflix or Twitch, Game dvr or discord servers before they become popular? I like Microsoft because they are a technology company and are always looking for the next innovation.
Eventually the games will catch up. I know they Sony faithful don't want to believe that but I'm sure someone thought the same thing about Nintendo and Sony 15 years ago. So then what will be left? Who can provided the better all around gaming experience.
Like someone said earlier in this thread momentum can shift in an instant in this industry. No one is a monolith not Sony and not Nintendo before them. It will be interesting to see who's gaming philosophy will win with no major fuck ups at the start of a generation. Hopefully discussions can get more interesting than hero deep muh exclusives and Sony are arrogant fools.
On all honesty this gen makes Sony seem like a reactionary play it safe company. When was they last time the were first or invented something?
Unlike what people say on Era it's there is more to consoles now than games . Who new they wanted Netflix or Twitch, Game dvr or discord servers before they become popular? I like Microsoft because they are a technology company and are always looking for the next innovation.
Eventually the games will catch up. I know they Sony faithful don't want to believe that but I'm sure someone thought the same thing about Nintendo and Sony 15 years ago. So then what will be left? Who can provided the better all around gaming experience.
Like someone said earlier in this thread momentum can shift in an instant in this industry. No one is a monolith not Sony and not Nintendo before them. It will be interesting to see who's gaming philosophy will win with no major fuck ups at the start of a generation. Hopefully discussions can get more interesting than hero deep muh exclusives and Sony are arrogant fools.
On all honesty this gen makes Sony seem like a reactionary play it safe company. When was they last time the were first or invented something?
What the hell are you talking about? Sony won 3 out of 4 of their consoles, Sony understands the console market more than the other companies, no one is saying exclusives are the only important but dismissing them just makes you look silly and a fanboy of another company.
First of all "winning" consoles make you look like a fanboy. If Sony understood so well this thread wouldn't exist and Ps3 would it have been the failure it was at launch and I didn't say exclusives aren't important, but when you have enough disposable income to buy more than one system they matter less.
Yeah Sony is the reactionary one who led with Streaming on twitch or PSN, remoteplay, shareplay, PS NOW stream, PS Vue, and a multitude of services not locked behind PSN plus. Ya'll are some funny people rewriting history.