Yeah, nobody is talking about the study. Anecdotally, I can confirm this. My BMI is around 26 and my chubby grandma always tells me that I'm too thin and that I need to eat more.
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Normalisation of 'plus-size' risks hidden danger of obesity, study finds (Read OP)
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Yeah, nobody is talking about the study. Anecdotally, I can confirm this. My BMI is around 26 and my chubby grandma always tells me that I'm too thin and that I need to eat more.
I need a break, this is just.... some ugly shit. Really is.
So Im just going to assume that yall look like this
because if you're dont, then yall are really full of shit..... You all argue about ANY instance of extra mass or weight is going to affect your health, then yall better look like fucking Gold's Gym models and back up your shit.
but but subpar....
Thats EXACTLY what people are doing ITT
Racists get more tolerance here than bigger people, fucking touche
Ill prob be back, maybe not but wtf. Yall think you tolerate shit, yall just fucking pick and choose forreal.
First of all, chill the fuck out.
Secondly, I have some idea of what I'm saying as this is what my degree pertains to.
Thirdly, BMI should just be used for a general idea of where you fall. It does not differentiate fat and lean muscle mass. People like Chris Evans, LeBron James, body builders etc. Are all classified as obese. Yet they are in prime health (mostly). Most of the population aren't in shape like elite athletes are, which is why BMI works for the most part.
Fact of the matter is, the heavier you are the higher risk you have of disease.
There's an actual way to define if someone is obese, and it's through BMI. They're not ridiculous body standards, it's a scientific way of seeing if someone's weight is unhealthy or not.
Shitting on people for their weight is really wrong tho.
the reason that bmi works as a general rule of thumb is because 99% of the population aren't super muscle dense world-class athletes.
and those that are already know enough about health and nutrition not be bothered by where they place on the bmi chart.
The problem is plus size is generally a healthy weight for a lot of people and some modeling standards are stupidly skinny.
Well it was just my own anecdote. I said I'd like to see if there have been any studies on it. I guess I should also clarify: I mean people I know getting on my case, and the embarrassing silent looks of strangers. I'm not talking about anyone just walking up to you and being an asshole for the fun of it.
According to ERA, the above people are being considered obese, unhealthy and are being coddled for accepting their bodies.
Some of you posters in here are scum. What an ugly view of people you have.
Pisses me off to no end.
I doubt they are being coddled, but that doesn't look unhealthy or obese to you? What exactly do you consider obese? Sorry if you've already answered this, but I didn't see it. I'm genuinely curious.
There is a literal world of difference between this post and your other picture post, or do you really not comprehend that?
Basically this, not sure why people are making it so complicated.You can encourage people to live healthier lifestyles if possible without being an asshole about it which seems to go over the heads of way to many people.
I need a break, this is just.... some ugly shit. Really is.
So Im just going to assume that yall look like this
because if you're dont, then yall are really full of shit..... You all argue about ANY instance of extra mass or weight is going to affect your health, then yall better look like fucking Gold's Gym models and back up your shit.
Nah. That's a false dichotomy. There is plenty of room between those obese people you posted earlier and Captain America.
Also, one could be obese and yet still be able to see obesity in others. Not sure why you think that would be a gotcha. Are you suggesting that all obese people are liars and/or delusional?
Try again.
I like how the Army handles the whole overweight measurement thing. BMI works for most people, if you fail that then they do the "tape measurement" test on you where they take measurements of your neck, hips and waist (iirc) and plug it into a calculator. Skin test calipers would be even more accurate tho while still being pretty cheap, they're around $10.
This reeks of excuses, I'm sorry. There are a million alternatives to the oven for healthy eating. Healthy eating does not have to be expensive nor time consuming. You are over estimating food prep. I started cooking for my wife and myself at a job that runs me rampant every day. I downloaded podcasts to listen to while I cook and I barely even get to listen to them because cooking for two was way way faster than I thought before I started doing it myself.
Some nights I just cut an avocado open, mix it with vegan mayo, put it on a wrap/hamburger bun with some spinach and eat with a yogurt cup. Maybe 1 minute tops. That's probably what I'll have tonight since I'm lazy on Friday nights. And it doesn't even have to be my expensive hippy vegan crap, regular mayo and yogurt would be fine.
Like that sort of meal takes less time than going through the McDonalds drive thru. Has roughly the same calories or less, and is healthier and more filling.
And considering the sales of hot dogs, frozen chicken nuggets, etc, I'm going to assume most people spend at least a few minutes chucking something into the oven/microwave. Even if they are really busy.
Maybe I'm just lucky I'm not particularly busy, and I find cooking fun and enjoyable. Part of the reason I got fat in the first place was because I liked the taste of food too much, so I enjoy tasting different things and making different things.
Skin caliper testing is good but you really need to have someone who knows their shit when they do it. It's time consuming and can be error filled if the person you have testing it isn't on their shit.
The discourse around obesity got fucked up when people started using fatness/obesity as a way to look down on others. It made it so people get defensive when it comes up in appropriate (medical) contexts, and shifted the public perception of obesity to 300+ pound outliers. You can tell people to have a positive relationship with their body and to love themselves as they are while also encouraging them to make healthier choices. That's not mutually exclusive unless your goal is to keep slapping your own ass about how much weight you were able to lose.
Yup. Take the bun off and suddenly your meal loses 38+ carbs and sugar. A normal person does not need that many carbs in one freaking meal.
...I get that you're clearly having some sort of mental breakdown in this thread, but what was the point of this post? Someone's whose obese can't tell that someone else is obese? Anyone whose overweight isn't allowed to talk about people being overweight?I need a break, this is just.... some ugly shit. Really is.
So Im just going to assume that yall look like this
because if you're dont, then yall are really full of shit..... You all argue about ANY instance of extra mass or weight is going to affect your health, then yall better look like fucking Gold's Gym models and back up your shit.
but but subpar....
Thats EXACTLY what people are doing ITT
Racists get more tolerance here than bigger people, fucking touche
Ill prob be back, maybe not but wtf. Yall think you tolerate shit, yall just fucking pick and choose forreal.
...... that was the point of the post.
If you want to condemn people to being unhealthy and at risk for obesity conditions for simply having a couple extra pounds instead of saving that critique for high risk people,
and then you dont even have some extremely fit body yourself?
Then youre some righteous big headed hypocrite. Who wants to criticize others and dont even have your own shit together...
Thats the point.
Do you honestly think most people are using BMI to judge a persons health? No. They are basing their views off how a person looks. I also disagree BMI is the perfect measurement. It works but not for everyone.
I will say it again, I don't understand why people care what others do to their body. If it's someone personal to you then there is plenty of ways to assist with weight loss without shaming them.
They're not. You just posted a photo of Chris America and said:
" You all argue about ANY instance of extra mass or weight is going to affect your health, then yall better look like fucking Gold's Gym models and back up your shit."
No one has quantified what "extra mass" is except that the more you have the more you risk harm. You are on this tangent no one is going on about. It's quite obvious you have a specific message you want to say and are latching onto any criticism to say it.
It works for the majority of the people, there are outliers but they aren't common.
It can be easily argued that overweight does affect other people just due to the strain it puts on the health care industry. Whatever reason someone has for being critical of overweight or obesity doesn't mean that it's a good thing to be overweight or obese.
This is the type of misinformation that has been allowed to take hold as "common sense" in modern society.
You don't have to be fit and healthy to know when someone else is unfit and unhealthy.
Fuck outta here, man.
According to what many fashion companies see as plus size....
right there in bold. If thats the case, then he who throwing stones about it better have the fucking least amount of weight on their body.
I have to make the point over and over and over and fucking over
A common weight =/= a healthy weight. They're adapting to market largely becoming more overweight. Fashion companies don't define what's "healthy"
Your point is shit and you're not grasping what you or others are saying.
The heavier you are, the higher chance you have of disease.
Period. End of story. Doesn't matter if you are overweight, obese, or morbidly.
It's not hypocritical to be able to recognize that someone is overweight. You are being absurd.
Dude. Who is condemning anybody for discussing reality? Nobody is coming at the obese individual with hostility. Are you just worked up over the word obese? I'm sorry but if you (not you specifically, you in the general sense) have a little "extra weight", it's probably more than you actually think and it is a warning sign for possibly continuing to gain "a little extra" until that "little extra" is way too much. It's likely too much anyway at just the first instance of "a little too much" but people would rather not acknowledge it. It's insanity.
No one is too busy to cook. You're just prioritizing your life in a way that doesn't afford it. Even cooking up a meal every night such as chicken, rice and some vegetables is a 10-15 minute commitment. How long is your detour to pick up drive-through? Cook enough for left-overs and you've halved your time commitment for the next day.
Unless you're the CEO of a company and have kids, you've got time. You've got time to post comments on an internet forum.
How about not belittling someone because they are overweight or obese? That person already knows this. Said person doesn't need shade thrown at them that won't result in any change of lifestyle or diet.
Good thing fashion companies are certified health specialists and aren't just companies out there to sell things to unhealthy people who won't admit they are unhealthy.
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Yeah, but cant seem to see how much of a jackass you potentially look like when talking shit about others for ideals you yourself cant even live up to?
Yeah, we can fuck off together.
You're not making a point, you're fabricating an argument that no one is making. No one has said you need to be skinny (or I missed all those posts in this thread).
You're qualifier for being allowed to criticize weight gain is actually stupid. An obese person is allowed to criticize obesity because your current body type doesn't remove the importance of what is being said: being overweight is unhealthy.
personally, i happen to be a healthy weight. but if other people in this thread are critical of obesity normalization and are overweight themselves then that's totally fine not necessarily hypocritical in the slightest. it would only hypocritical if they called out other overweight people for being automatically lazy and they considered themselves to not be lazy.
heres the thing, thats fucking hard. The small meal part is actually the easier part. Its forcing the pain of thinking you need more food. If you can overcome that it works. I succeed in that by eating a small meal, and keeping no food at home that can be easily snacked on.
The unsweetened tea though...thats impossible, for now. I grew up poor chugging kool aid filled with sugar and soda. I lost all ability to just drink water as I find it has a horrible taste. Unsweetened things then same issue. Breaking these habits is fucking difficult, its why so many poor are obese.
My solution has been to slowly ween off the sugar. These days im drinking "Snapple sorta sweet straight up tea". Its been working for me, and hopefully after a year of this I can get a taste for unsweetened. However this isnt an option for many, as its fucking expensive to buy this tea as my primary beverage.
You don't have to be Captain America to recognize obesity though, and those posters are literally just recognizing it, not being "righteous big headed hypocrites". And you know...if someone is obese and saying someone else is obese, that doesn't make it any less true.
You kind of just proved the point of this research. The images you posted of people having "a couple of extra pounds" were examples of clinical obesity. Having that much fat around your midsection is a major risk factor for cardiovascular disease. But those images have become the new norm.
Literally not a single person you quoted talked shit about others.
I hope we don't get to a point where doctors fear backlash for telling an obese patient that they need to make lifestyle changes if their health is at risk. I understand how problematic body shaming can be, but we need to make sure doctors are immune to those social pressures so they can do their job properly. Otherwise, why have doctors if they are only allowed to tell you that you're healthy?
Unless you're a doctor who is being paid to help me be healthy, or a friend/acquaintance that I ask about my body, you should not be giving your opinions on my weight, etc. The whole "but its technically unhealthy and you increase your risk" excuse is such bullshit because I never hear anyone go on about other unhealthy activity nearly to the same degree as they do with overweight people.
Like geez, even some of the photos people posted earlier are perfectly fine as far as body types go. Some of us like the extra pudge.
Telling someone "Sorry you're overweight, thems just the facts. Maybe if you ate healthier or exercised more you could curb your habits" or anything similar unprovoked is just so dickish.
Like geez, even some of the photos people posted earlier are perfectly fine as far as body types go. Some of us like the extra pudge.
Telling someone "Sorry you're overweight, thems just the facts. Maybe if you ate healthier or exercised more you could curb your habits" or anything similar unprovoked is just so dickish.
Fat people who have turned it around and reduced their weight usually have a good platform to speak from in regards to pointing out the excuses fat people make to stay fat. Because we have all used them before and know what they sound like.
I'm underweight so I don't even care but you're seriously out of touch with some ads if you think that's what's going on
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I don't think any single person has done that in this thread. Just looking at a picture and saying "yes those people look obese" doesn't mean these people are pointing and laughing at others or being jackasses in general. Chill out.
I don't understand, why are you so outraged over very respectful comments and very commonly used terms?
What exactly are you coming from that you're getting so heated over posters plainly identifying people as obese for example?
No, that's the problem. Too many are in complete denial and are going to keep going at it right into their graves all while blaming genetics or a lack of time.