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Typhon

Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,116
The optics of this... l guess they really want to give the Gestapo comparisons more fuel.

I'm not holding my breath. No guarantee he won't be rehabbed and treated with the deference any former president is. Look how everyone in the media loves Bush W now.


TBF, that has nothing to do with his policies. As has been said in the past, he's type of guy you wouldn't mind having a beer with. Policies aside, he has a likable personality. I can't imagine anyone wanting to spend 5 seconds around Trump if they didn't have to. He has a toxic, self absorbed personality, no redeeming qualities all. The media wouldn't try because there is nothing to good to say about him.
 

aspiegamer

Member
Oct 27, 2017
10,460
ZzzzzzZzzzZzz...
You know what's sad? I'd trust the general infantry more than ICE or for-profit detention centers in terms of care level. Not by a lot mind you, but a little.

I await the horror stories. Sigh.
 

Sub Level

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
3,517
Texas
You know what's sad? I'd trust the general infantry more than ICE or for-profit detention centers in terms of care level. Not by a lot mind you, but a little.

I await the horror stories. Sigh.

They won't be general infantry. The children will be cared for by Health and Human Services and HHS contractors.

Uh...the military isn't going to be happy with that either?

Probably not but they will by law be reimbursed. Under the Economy Act.

let's call them for what they are:
internment camps


they are internment camps

The tent cities run by ICE thugs yea. But these? There is already precedent for housing refugee children on military bases under the Obama administration. The US military has done this sort of thing before.
 

Ether_Snake

Banned
Oct 29, 2017
11,306
Probably an attempt to disincentivize people from criticizing how they are handled. Cant criticize the troops. Access to the bases might be difficult too. Bet Trump proposed Area 51.
 

Riskbreaker23

Member
Oct 27, 2017
104
What's ironic is that the biggest complaint some Republicans have against immigrants is that they are coming here to leech of the system. Now instead of coming to America, finding a job, and participating in the economy like they normally would, these 20,000 are now basically wards of the state who's every need will now be the responsibility of the government while they are holding them. They created the scenario they complained about in the first place.
 

rokkerkory

Banned
Jun 14, 2018
14,128
What's ironic is that the biggest complaint some Republicans have against immigrants is that they are coming here to leech of the system. Now instead of coming to America, finding a job, and participating in the economy like they normally would, these 20,000 are now basically wards of the state who's every need will now be the responsibility of the government while they are holding them. They created the scenario they complained about in the first place.

Shhh some republicans aren't smart enough to do math
 

Xiaomi

Member
Oct 25, 2017
7,237
Can't quarter soldiers in people's homes, but I suppose there's no amendment against quartering people in soldiers' homes.
 

Brandson

Member
Oct 26, 2017
2,219
The eventual lawsuits against the US Government for this are going to be in the tens of billions of dollars, probably costing more than the wall itself.
 

Powdered Egg

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
17,070
The military already abuses some of its own members and turns a blind eye to it. Children are even more vulnerable. This is some bullshit.
 

RoyaleDuke

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
1,397
Nowhere
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You know what's sad? I'd trust the general infantry more than ICE or for-profit detention centers in terms of care level. Not by a lot mind you, but a little.

I await the horror stories. Sigh.

I wouldn't, most(90%)of the Leo and military had been infiltrated by racists, neonazis, and fascists of all types.

I trust nothing with authority.
 

The Albatross

Member
Oct 25, 2017
39,052
This is what was done under the Obama administration, though for smaller numbers (~7000 vs. 20,000), it seems like something that's better than what we've had.

For people grumbling about this, like, what else do you do? The military has to act within the limits of this administration (the POTUS is the highest ranking commander of the military), so do you keep these innocent kids in temporary tent cities, or get them to places with actual facilities and infrastructure? Like, at least military bases have kitchens, bathrooms, rec areas, and buildings equipped to temporarily house thousands of people... As opposed to these ramshackle aluminum barracks that have been hasted up near the border.

I wouldn't, most(90%)of the Leo and military had been infiltrated by racists, neonazis, and fascists of all types.

I trust nothing with authority.

I'm sorry, but this is a complete lie. I don't care if you don't trust authority, that isn't a license to just lie and say that 90% of the military is infiltrated with neonazis and fascists. Racial minorities make up 40% of the active duty military. There are 1.3million active duty military.

Are you saying that there are 450,000 minority neonazis in the American military?
 
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RoyaleDuke

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
1,397
Nowhere
This is what was done under the Obama administration, though for smaller numbers (~7000 vs. 20,000), it seems like something that's better than what we've had.

For people grumbling about this, like, what else do you do? The military has to act within the limits of this administration (the POTUS is the highest ranking commander of the military), so do you keep these innocent kids in temporary tent cities, or get them to places with actual facilities and infrastructure? Like, at least military bases have kitchens, bathrooms, rec areas, and buildings equipped to temporarily house thousands of people... As opposed to these ramshackle aluminum barracks that have been hasted up near the border.


I mean we could just not put kids in concentration camps like nazis.

Just a thought.

Also nice whataboutism there.
 

FreezePeach

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
12,811
Former director of ICE was on Chris Hayes last night and he said there is no way this is happening. He said it would be billions in budget they dont have and they are already at their limits. He seemed really smart about the numbers and costs of the situation and where the current administration is. So i suspect this only happens with some new funding bill.

He also said a big reason why detainments didnt always happen and people were released was because the resources needed was too much. Trump wants everyone detained, which will inevitably lead to intense resource issues, and then thats when the shit gets bad.
 

The Albatross

Member
Oct 25, 2017
39,052
I mean we could just not put kids in concentration camps like nazis.

Just a thought.

Also nice whataboutism there.

I completely agree. We should not put kids in concentration camps.

Military bases are way better than the caged tent cities they've been in, and if this is something that previous administrations have done then it's way better than what this administration has been doing. I trust the Obama administration a hell of a lot more than the Trump administration when it comes to immigration.

There is at least infrastructure in military bases, especially if this was done just a few years ago to provide temporary housing.

Given the situation, that the Trump administration has rounded up thousands of migrant children and there's a 2-year backlog on asylum applications... Where else do they go? The government has a responsibility here having fucked this up so badly, you cant just open the doors and force out literal children into badlands to fend for themselves.

What other government institution actually has infrastructure to temporarily house thousands of people but military bases? WHat is your alternative? Air drop children in the desert, deport them back to countries they're trying to escape from? Use private detention facilities like the Shiloh facility that has decades of child abuse and already can't handle the limited number of children they have now...?

There comes a point when you, and others, have to use your brain to come up with solutions and promote those... And not try to pretend like someone is saying "WHATABOUTISM" or defending "putting kids in concentration camps like nazis," when somebody says "Yeah, this is probably one of the better ways to resolve a terrible situation that the government caused." Grow up, start being constructive instead of being an asshole and maybe Trump wouldn't be president in the first place.
 
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RoyaleDuke

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
1,397
Nowhere
What are you talking about? He is saying there is historical precedent for it. That's not whataboutism. And he's right, these facilities are preferable to makeshift tents.

This is what was done under the Obama administration, though for smaller numbers (~7000 vs. 20,000), it seems like something that's better than what we've had.

This is what he said in the opening of his post.

Definition of whataboutism, and a typical deflection by the right.

Following it up with, "what can be done?" Apathy, and it reads like a formulaic post from the typical right wing person.

This entire situation was avoidable, trying to downplay ethnic cleansing is disgusting.
 

The Albatross

Member
Oct 25, 2017
39,052
This is what he said in the opening of his post.

Definition of whataboutism, and a typical deflection by the right.

Following it up with, "what can be done?" Apathy, and it reads like a formulaic post from the typical right wing person.

This entire situation was avoidable, trying to downplay ethnic cleansing is disgusting.

You're such a fraud.

I'm not ... downplaying ethnic cleansing? What the fuck are you even talking about? You're just posting outright lies ("the military is 90% neonazis" Wtf how does this even make sense, the military is 40% minority...)

I'm also not on the right, I'm a liberal, from the most liberal state in the country.

Mentioning solutions that other administrations have taken to problems is not whataboutism. As much as you might hope, not everything is a convenient, brainless internet slang. It might be easy to for you to think that way, so that you don't have to use critical thinking, but it's not true. Whataboutism would be if I said, "Well obama used cages, so Trump using cages is okay!" No. The Obama Administration used military bases to temporarily house migrant children just a few years ago, it's not ... fucking justifying ethnic cleansing (wtf...? You think the Obama administration participated in ethnic cleansing...? Is this like your state that 90% of the military is neonazis?), because it's a temporary solution that might actually help.

I don't even think you know what the phrase whataboutism means. The way you're using it suggests you've seen other people use it on the internet, and you want to feel like how those other people might feel when they use it accurately, so you're trying to use it too. Whataboutism is when you justify something bad with something bad and irrelavant that some other administration/person did. But, when you're talking about immigrant housing crisis, and if the previous administration had a potential solution that seemingly worked... it's not whataboutism to mention "This is what previous administrations did and it seemed to help."

The government has a responsibility to make the best worst decision here with these 20,000 children. The government has put them in this position, but they actually exist. They're not just an internet argument. It's not one of those things that you can post lies about -- say like what the President does -- and sling mud, call someone names, and then *poof* it's fixed. No, the government actually has to temporarily house these children while they reunite them with their families and process their asylum applications and integrate them into the country. There may be some better alternatives than military bases, like it'd be great i fthere was some infrastructure of migrant settlement homes or something, but there aren't, and previous administration had used military bases to try to solve similar problems.

Also, the people coming up with temporary solutions like these aren't Trump. They're people who Trump crticize -- Trump's so-called "The Deep State." The Trump Administration is not willing to come up with solutions, but the administrative network in the government -- that network that has been in these positions for years through multiple administrations -- is trying to. Someone in the Pentagon probably suggested this to the administration, then of course Trump goes out and pretends like he came up with it and then orders the Pentagon to do it... Trump doesn't have the chops to come up with solutions on his own.
 
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Blackflag

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
1,968
What else do they sometimes house on military bases? Prisoners..convenient eh?

Fuck this garbage administration.