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Klobrille

Member
Oct 27, 2017
9,360
Germany
Microsoft owns Minecraft and is a convicted monopolist who likes to use the strategy of publicly embracing open standards and then subverting them. The equivalent to the open standard here is "cross play" which really means, get a competitor's customer to start a Live account and eventually make them your own customer. If this was truly about "cross play" you would not need a Live account when using a Nintendo (or Sony, Amazon, etc.) console.

My view is that Microsoft's end game is either to have competing hardware reduced to dumb terminals for Microsoft GaaS offerings or simply change the requirements for cross play such that playing on a competitors device becomes an increasingly substandard experience. They have already done this by forcing Live integration (i.e. the whole "legacy console edition" shenanigans).
This is factually wrong. Switch - Xbox One crossplay exists for many more titles not using the Live ID (Rocket League, Fortnite, Paladins etc.). For their own games - and Minecraft is a Microsoft game - they are obviously free with how they handle that. Because of Realms coming soon it just makes sense to handle accounts like that. That said, all the other games prove that Microsoft supports crossplay in every shape or form - with a Live ID or not.
 

Trey

Member
Oct 25, 2017
18,013
Sony should just add cross play with switch...just to make this debacle more interesting. This is an Xbox pushed initiative. I'm all for crossplay, but watching all you forget that MS gives just a little a shit about us as Sony does is making me wanna just stand to this side of this whole debate and just watch the brouhaha.

I can assure you that Sony cares as much about you as any corporation. Microsoft has actually been the more pro consumer of the two for the last few years.
 

predrag

Member
Oct 27, 2017
519
Great video! This is how things should be. Anyone against this is just lost soul in fanboyish wars.
 

Redfox088

Banned
May 31, 2018
2,293
User Warned: System Wars + Derailment
I can assure you that Sony cares as much about you as any corporation. Microsoft has actually been the more pro consumer of the two for the last few years.
Welp MS just officially dropped intentions to support VR despite claiming it was coming in the future. So I guess it's less about being consumer friendly and more about capitalizing on consumer interest. When VR was all the industry talked about they assured it was coming...When it cooled they moved on forgetting those promises. "Cross-play? Oh we're all about that!"



I'm fine with crossplay I'm just not as naive as others to believe MS is doing this "in the best interest of gamers".
 

The Living Tribunal

Prophet of Truth
Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,201
Welp MS just officially dropped intentions to support VR despite claiming it was coming in the future. So I guess it's less about being consumer friendly and more about capitalizing on consumer interest. When VR was all the industry talked about they assured it was coming...When it cooled they moved on forgetting those promises. "Cross-play? Oh we're all about that!"



I'm fine with crossplay I'm just not as naive as others to believe MS is doing this "in the best interest of gamers".

Yeah, god forbid they reroute resources to conventional gaming. Just like they did with kinect. The nerve on them.
 

THEVOID

Prophet of Regret
Member
Oct 27, 2017
22,868
Welp MS just officially dropped intentions to support VR despite claiming it was coming in the future. So I guess it's less about being consumer friendly and more about capitalizing on consumer interest. When VR was all the industry talked about they assured it was coming...When it cooled they moved on forgetting those promises. "Cross-play? Oh we're all about that!"



I'm fine with crossplay I'm just not as naive as others to believe MS is doing this "in the best interest of gamers".

MS did come out with VR and supported the hell out of it and few cared. Why would they transfer that to Xbox?
 

Redfox088

Banned
May 31, 2018
2,293
MS did come out with VR and supported the hell out of it and few cared. Why would they transfer that to Xbox?
You missed my point. VR on Xbox was a selling point and a purchasing point. I have never tried VR, so I and apparently others here could care less , but there are plenty in this thread criticizing the same logic when it comes to cross play. I don't care about it "but but I care about it! So should you!" Naw cousin....I'm good. Just pointing out the irony.
 

THEVOID

Prophet of Regret
Member
Oct 27, 2017
22,868
You're being a hypocrite. There's a thread. There's a group of the community who are spurned by this, but it's not an issue to you so it's irrelevant. Like crossplay is too me...irrelevant, and if don't never changes..oh well.

You're calling him a hypocrite and then admitting you yourself are a hypocrite by your example. Okay?
 

The Living Tribunal

Prophet of Truth
Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,201
You're being a hypocrite. There's a thread. There's a group of the community who are spurned by this, but it's not an issue to you so it's irrelevant. Like crossplay is too me...irrelevant, and if don't never changes..oh well.

Lmao

I'm being a hypocrite because I prefer MS to invest in conventional games instead of dumping resources in an expensive gaming niche.

Try again.
 

TheGhost

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
28,137
Long Island
You missed my point. VR on Xbox was a selling point and a purchasing point. I have never tried VR, so I and apparently others here could care less , but there are plenty in this thread criticizing the same logic when it comes to cross play. I don't care about it "but but I care about it! So should you!" Naw cousin....I'm good. Just pointing out the irony.
VR is not worth it man, they can take one look at PSVR and figure that out. Abysmal attach rate, yeah 3 million is a lot, but it ain't shit when you have 80 million users.

Why waste the money to make a few people happy when they can drive forward with better games, developer aquisitiins, console features and partnerships like they are obviously doing with Nintendo and make almost everyone else hapoy VR won't be accepted by the mass market until it's better, you don't get sick and no more wires.

Right now they are a novelty house party device to show guests you have extra money. When every traditional game can be played in VR with out making me puke, then it will be good.
 

Lord Arcadio

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Oct 27, 2017
2,172
Microsoft not supporting VR on Xbox vs Sony not allowing cross-play with other consoles.

One requires Microsoft actively invest resources into something while the other only requires Sony to stop being jerks and just say yes.

Hmm...
 
Jan 1, 2018
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Welp MS just officially dropped intentions to support VR despite claiming it was coming in the future. So I guess it's less about being consumer friendly and more about capitalizing on consumer interest. When VR was all the industry talked about they assured it was coming...When it cooled they moved on forgetting those promises. "Cross-play? Oh we're all about that!"



I'm fine with crossplay I'm just not as naive as others to believe MS is doing this "in the best interest of gamers".
Part of putting their best interest in gamers is to admit when gamers have lost interest and move on from that - it's also a smart business move. If they pushed out a VR headset this year, while I'm sure there'd be good reactions from some, but overall the feeling would be something of "too little, too late". Just because you got burnt by it doesn't make it MS's fault, if gamers were still interested, still wanted it, and were still wanting to buy it, they'd continue to put money into R&D. That said, we don't know what's in store for next generation, or what limitations they hit with the current line of Xbox consoles that they decided would be better to wait out to fix.

EDIT: Just to add to the conversation, I think it's really cool to see two rival companies team up for an ad campaign. Xbox One X is the best place to play these games in terms of graphics, Switch is the best place in terms of portability. It's a really good match between the two and I enjoy how much all the Nintendo and Xbox twitters have been playing it up.
 
Oct 25, 2017
7,523
Haha the wife is watching Riverdale on Netflix on the Xbox One, while I'm playing Minecraft on the Switch. I unlock an achievement and the notification goes off on the Xbox, wife asks "Are you seriously playing Minecraft right now?"

What a world we live in.

It's the kind of futuristic wizardry that I couldn't even have imagined as a kid.

Will never happen. Sony was as its top arrogance when PS3 launched. By then:
- PS3 was at least 100 dollars more expensive than 360
- PS3 had shitty multiplats
- PS3 had no quality exclusives
- 360 was on the marker a year longer.

Yet from the day PS3 launched, it outsold the 360 worldwide.

Xbox will never be market leader unless Sony so a PS4U kind of fuck up.

Pretty much. That PlayStation logo/nostalgia is too strong, they can shit all over their customers and people will keep going back for more. There's no reason for them to ever change.

It'll be interesting to see if a similar nostalgia kicks in at the start of the next gen as there are going to be a whole bunch of people in that 20-30 range for whom their first console was an Xbox 360.

There is a lack of representation for the portugese in gaming. Fixed.

Amazing.
 

Shrennin

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Oct 25, 2017
3,685
Microsoft not supporting VR on Xbox vs Sony not allowing cross-play with other consoles.

One requires Microsoft actively invest resources into something while the other only requires Sony to stop being jerks and just say yes.

Hmm...

If anything, it shows Microsoft is not willing to just blindly jump into something based on initial hype. I very much doubt we won't see VR with Xbox, but I think Microsoft is waiting for the tech to improve so they can introduce it on the next Xbox. Wireless headsets and no external sensors would greatly increase interest if they can launch it at an affordable price.
 

khamakazee

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
3,937
Microsoft owns Minecraft and is a convicted monopolist who likes to use the strategy of publicly embracing open standards and then subverting them. The equivalent to the open standard here is "cross play" which really means, get a competitor's customer to start a Live account and eventually make them your own customer. If this was truly about "cross play" you would not need a Live account when using a Nintendo (or Sony, Amazon, etc.) console.

My view is that Microsoft's end game is either to have competing hardware reduced to dumb terminals for Microsoft GaaS offerings or simply change the requirements for cross play such that playing on a competitors device becomes an increasingly substandard experience. They have already done this by forcing Live integration (i.e. the whole "legacy console edition" shenanigans).

So to summarize it's ok for Epic to have their accounts intertwined on multiple systems, have Sony over-ride them and lock out its users and reduce their freedom, but it's not ok for a 1st party publisher like Microsoft to use it's Live account system because you don't like them.
 

Theorry

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Oct 27, 2017
61,046
Lol was at the supermarket just now waiting in line. And there was some kids infront of me. 8 to10 years old or something and they were talking about Fortnite and Xbox/Switch and talked also about how you can play together also with Minecraft haha.
 

Omeganex9999

Member
Oct 25, 2017
765
London
I think this is the right way to poke fun at Sony. It's an invitation to join in, after all.

...which won't happen, for the same reasons we've been talking about these last few days.
 
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Liliana

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
3,375
NYC
Microsoft owns Minecraft and is a convicted monopolist who likes to use the strategy of publicly embracing open standards and then subverting them. The equivalent to the open standard here is "cross play" which really means, get a competitor's customer to start a Live account and eventually make them your own customer. If this was truly about "cross play" you would not need a Live account when using a Nintendo (or Sony, Amazon, etc.) console.

My view is that Microsoft's end game is either to have competing hardware reduced to dumb terminals for Microsoft GaaS offerings or simply change the requirements for cross play such that playing on a competitors device becomes an increasingly substandard experience. They have already done this by forcing Live integration (i.e. the whole "legacy console edition" shenanigans).

People posting straight up FUD now. The mindset of a superfan never ceases to amaze me.
 

Bunkles

Attempted to circumvent ban with alt account
Banned
Oct 26, 2017
5,663
Lol was at the supermarket just now waiting in line. And there was some kids infront of me. 8 to10 years old or something and they were talking about Fortnite and Xbox/Switch and talked also about how you can play together also with Minecraft haha.

Yup. PR nightmare for Sony. They brought this shit on themselves.
 

Deleted member 12635

User requested account closure
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Oct 27, 2017
6,198
Germany
Found this on twitter. An enhanced version of the "Survive together" from the ad ;)

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Quite a meme and fitting the situation.
 

nekkid

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
21,823
You're being a hypocrite. There's a thread. There's a group of the community who are spurned by this, but it's not an issue to you so it's irrelevant. Like crossplay is too me...irrelevant, and if don't never changes..oh well.

The only people who are up in arms about MS dropping intentions for console VR on the X just sound like they're trying to switch focus away from this issue, to be honest.

There's very few, if any, people in that thread who appear to be genuinely upset and had intentions of getting VR on the X - rather they're just glad of any tenuous opportunity to accuse Microsoft of anti-consumer behaviour.