I don't see this as a way to show his superiority at all. Did you watch the video? Macron's body language? When he pats kid's hand he is like a father that is scolding his kid and teaching him manners.
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Macron scolds teenager for calling him “Manu” instead of “Mr President”
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I know. The logic you're using to justify Macron's actions is garbage.
Leaders can be held accountable for the effects and influence of the things they say. It's okay.
This whole thing kinda does show how Trumpism works though. Here we have a bunch of people who probably all despise Trump, yet a large part are still game for punching down, as soon as a suitable target is found. And this kid was it, nothing better for relentless humiliation than a punk kid saying something silly. And Macron provides, because like Trump he has an animal cunning about this sort of stuff.
Just ignore them, especially that guy who compared this to slave terms.
Outhc replies to her Tweets are something else. They totaly miss the fact that the president enabled the bullying by tweeting the video.
Some kid calls him a cute nickname doesn't equate to treating him like a slave.
lmao
I'm honestly curious how certain posters function IRL, or even have a job
Nah you might be the president from day one of your win, but you have to earn the right to be addressed that way by me.
Stop trying to compare his position to the one of some random public servant. He's not some random employee in an administration, he's the bloody President. He was elected by the people. He was given mandate by the people to implement policies that will impact the nation at large. He's the face of the country and its population overseas.
Yes, he does deserve some degree of respect just because of his position. Even if you don't like the man, you can respect what he represent. That Band of Brothers video posted earlier fits this situation perfectly.
And besides, he's not even asking for special treatment like lowering your head as he walk past or anything, he's just asking to be called by his title or "Mister". Mr Macron would've probably worked as well. It's pretty standard behaviour in France to use Mr/Ms when you're talking to someone you're not familliar with, especially when it's a child talking to an adult. This is pretty much basic decency for anyone in France, nevermind public servants or the fucking President.
Macron was hardly out of line with his response here. The kid's behaviour would've considered rude toward just about anyone in this situation, not just the President.
No, but he's showing a lack of respect that would be considered rude for a lot of people in this situation. Manu is something that you'd call a friend, not an adult you don't know when you're a child. Just because he's a public servant doesn't make it acceptable.
Also Macron's position doesn't matter for shit. You don't call a restaurant waiter or a salesperson at a random shop "dude" or "girl".
Macron didnt do that. He hold his lecture and someone recorded it and put it online.
You generally don't address somebody by the first name unless you know that somebody is fine with it or you're in an environment where this is encouraged. You don't do that with complete strangers. If you're a bit educated, that is.
Mostly this (I don't think he should be given any extra politeness due to his status, just the standard for literally everyone in France), plus if you watch the full video they keep on talking after that first exchange, with a more light-hearted tone. The kid says he's already got enough points to pass his national diploma, Macron goes 'Go for the honours then!', the kid asks 'but why', and then Macron explains why you should always strive to do your best.
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Common cortesy is mandatory to anybody that has no direct link to you. It's basic education, at least in europe.
You can hate a guy and still give him basic etiquette. Not doing so speaks more about you than about him.
You didn't earn any rights by me, so if i meet you i can call you mickey ?
Macron is 100% right here, the only part that could be discussed is the reuse of the video for political reasons, but that's how politics are nowadays unfortunately.
Edit : Seems like i'm late :)
Just because the federal government of the US is run by shit flinging circus animals doesn't mean a decent enough head of state of a country (that has a long history pf priding itself with formalities and decorum) should be adressed by nicknames.
He shouldn't have posted the video on twitter, but jesus christ, some of you.
He shouldn't have posted the video on twitter, but jesus christ, some of you.
Going out of his way to embarrass a kid in public for some stupid slight comes across as super shitty for an grown man in his position to do. Something like that happens the right thing to do is to move on.
By grasping what an employer-employee relationship is and how it differs from this topic.
If you met face to face with Hitler today, would you speak civilly to him? Your position, in itself, does not make you deserving of respect.
All humans are equal. Your position is irrelevant. Do you feel the same about monarchs? Dictators? They certainly attained a position of authority.
He's entitled to ask whatever he wants. No one has to oblige his request. Posting this on twitter is (one of) the biggest act of ego-inflation I have seen in a long time.
And? How is this relevant to what I said?
Criminalising disrespect when they have the ability to exert force over you is not civilised.
Yes you do the same. You can be sarcastic in your tone, or be even more adult and just tell him what you think ( even if it will finish in your death in some of these cases.)
But insults , or not showing basic social etiquette, is just diminishing you, not the guy.
And if everybody is equal, Mr macron is the bare minimum.
By the way some of you should stop mixing your feelings with the kids , it's not because some of you don't like Macron that the kids was doing an incredible political statement, he was just trying to be a smartass, it's even less excusable.
ITT: English speakers don't understand how other countries have rules for addressing people in society.
Shit boys, we just invoked Godwin's law. Abort thread.
Shit boys, we just invoked Godwin's law. Abort thread.
This happened in France where they have different culture, language and society.
Psssh. Macron is basically a slave master, exactly the same as Trump and talking to people older than you with "vous" and their last name basically means you completely subverted to authority you opinionless slave.
Like, fuck, seriously. I know American politics are completely fucked and your president eroded all sense of decorum and respect, but you guys are projecting haaaaaard. France isn't America, Macron isn't Trump and that kid isn't some abused minority.
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I don't know what you're on about. I'm not exerting anything.
I suggest that you work on your reading comprehension before posting any further. There is context in that very paragraph. If you reread it a few times, perhaps you can discover its meaning? I'm hopeful that you can.
Plus he tells them that they should strive to do the best they can in school. If you look at the video (and understand french, but I'm sure there are translated video's out there) and then see how some make comparisons with slave owners, hitler, trump and nazi's. It might be because of cultural differences but it also makes me worried on how they look at daily situations.
He didn't go out of his way to embarass him, he explained him why he shouldn't be doing what he did. That's it.
Are you serious with this? Do you seriously think that Macron's position, how he accessed it and his behaviour are in any way similar to hitler, stalin or mao? Do you really think this comparison works at any level whatsoever?
Sorry, I'm not going to entertain this. It's too silly.
Then that kid should treat everyone with respect. That wasn't the case here.
As for the second part of that quote, that's incorrect. Some people get different status under the law because of their positions. Positions such as... Being the President.
And nothing would've happened to the kid if he hadn't. Last I checked Macron didn't threaten legal actions or any sort of consequences against him.
There's a reason why the video continues after the initial exchange you know.
How is it not relevant? You were saying that being a public servant doesn't warrant respect. I answered that the kid's behaviour is disrespectful toward just about everyone, not just public servants.
I think people are making a bigger deal of this than it is, having watched the video. Seems more like Macron was just trying to teach proper etiquette before having a polite discussion with the kid.
It's seems like you don't know the Godwin's law.
"As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Hitler approaches 1"
It applies perfectly here.
No he was totally bullying him man !
Complete overreactions everywhere. If twitter morons bully him, it's their fault, not macron's for politely trying to teach him social etiquette.
And showing respect to someone and showing respect when you talk about someone is absolutely not comparable.
I feel like this thread is filled with parents that scold teachers even if their kid has done some shitty or rude ass shit.
President or janitor i would not let my teenager talk to an adult like that.
But understandably the french language and its nuances is lost on the native english speakers so you guys have no idea how it actually sounds.
President or janitor i would not let my teenager talk to an adult like that.
But understandably the french language and its nuances is lost on the native english speakers so you guys have no idea how it actually sounds.
Macron is able to scold a 16 years old ? What a president.
Talking about revolution, saying to a kid that he will be able to express himself when he'll be able to work and buy food by himself is totally out of proportion.
We're talking about a kid who just said : "How are you Manu ?" have you never been stopped by a kid in the street who talked too friendly without knowing you ?
It's probably rude but we're not in a situation that must be used in order to fuel the credibility of a President who is disapproved by over 55% of France.
We have no use of a President who's just good at shaking hands and scolding kids... and remove taxes for the richest while removing helps for the poorest.
Talking about revolution, saying to a kid that he will be able to express himself when he'll be able to work and buy food by himself is totally out of proportion.
We're talking about a kid who just said : "How are you Manu ?" have you never been stopped by a kid in the street who talked too friendly without knowing you ?
It's probably rude but we're not in a situation that must be used in order to fuel the credibility of a President who is disapproved by over 55% of France.
We have no use of a President who's just good at shaking hands and scolding kids... and remove taxes for the richest while removing helps for the poorest.
Or some people are just in need to bring back the "culte de la personnalité" in our country ;)