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Oct 27, 2017
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There has been much discussion on the Switch's 2018 lineup since E3. Some complain about how empty it is compared to 2017. Others counter with a splash screen detailing dozens of upcoming 2018 Switch titles. It's not so much the volume of titles in 2018, but what KIND of Switch titles we are getting this year. Check out this breakdown of Switch titles by category, 2017 vs 2018. (Of course this is only my opinion on how to break down these titles by function, you might disagree on the categories and some titles could be be slotted in different places)

All New AAA "Home Console" Games:
2017:
The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild, Super Mario Odyssey, Arms, Xenoblade Chronicles 2, Mario + Rabbids: Kingdom Battle
2018: Octopath Traveler, Mario Tennis Aces

Incremental New Installments of Wii U Games:
2017:
Splatoon 2
2018: Super Smash Bros Ultimate

Wii U Ports With Some Enhancements:
2017:
Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, Lego City Undercover, Pokken Tournament DX
2018: Hyrule Warriors: Definitive Edition, Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze, Bayonetta 1/2, Capitan Todd

Party/Casual Games (sample):
2017:
1-2 Switch
2018: Super Mario Party, Pokemon Let's Go, Labo

A-AA Games/3DS Replacement (sample):
2017:
Blaster Master Zero, Puyo Puyo Tetris, Sonic Mania
2018: Kirby Star Allies, Bloodstained: Curse of the Moon, Mega Man 11

Indie Games/Vita Replacement (sample):
2017:
Shovel Knight, Stardew Valley, Rocket League, Axiom Verge, Golf Story
2018: Celeste, Fortnite Battle Royale, Hallow Knight, The Messenger

Looking at it this way, the Switch's 2018 lineup is as strong (or stronger) than 2017 in all but one category. We're getting better Wii U ports for the many people who missed out on that library. This year the Switch has even better indie and A-AA content (a big plus for me personally). Most people would choose Smash over Splatoon in a battle of incremental sequels. And finally, let's not forget the casual/party audience as 2018 is MUCH stronger for that often overlooked group.

The problem is the other category, the all important one where Switch 2017 trounces Switch 2018: All New AAA "Home Console" games. Be they first party titles or 3rd party exclusives, I call them AAA "Home Console" games because Nintendo sold us the Switch as a home console you can take on the go. Look at 2017 vs 2018 in this category! 2017 gave us all time great Zelda/Mario titles, a new Xenoblade we got the same year as the announcement, a cool new IP in Arms, and a weird but wonderful Nintendo-Ubisoft crossover.

I'm not even sure if Octopath/Tennis belong in this category, but it's the best I could do for 2018. I'll play them both, especially the former as I really enjoyed Bravely Default. But c'mon! Nintendo sold the Switch on the premise that you can "take your home console games on the go" (paraphrasing here). Where are those games in 2018? Any two of the following titles could have at least picked up the slack in 2018: Pikmin 4, Bayonetta 3, Metroid Prime 4, Fire Emblem: Three Houses, Yoshi, Pokemon, new Animal Crossing, or something unexpected a la Wonderful 101.

I understand that game development is difficult, costly, and time-consuming. But I thought we were operating under the premise that Nintendo could avoid major droughts now that they have consolidated portable and home console development. After this last E3, I don't see the evidence as we now have a major 1 year drought in the second year of a hit console's lifespan. A more cynical person might suggest that they know they can't avoid droughts, so they stopped Wii U development and went all hands on deck to give Switch a strong Year 1 so they could get your money. Hence the thread title. You'll get your Metroid and Bayonetta at some nebulous point in the future, in the meantime you can drown in all of this other content.

Most of us didn't buy the Switch as a 3DS and/or Vita replacement. I love the device and all of those really strong non-AAA games. But we bought a Switch to play those other games IN ADDITION to All New AAA "Home Console" Games, not INSTEAD of them. So yes, there are plenty of great games coming to the Switch in 2018. But we also need at least 2-3 major new titles a year. That number is actually on the low end for a major console, you could argue that Nintendo should deliver 5-6 major new titles to pick up the slack for inconsistent 3rd party support.

I say this all out of love for Nintendo and the Switch. It's a great device, 2017 was awesome, and 2019 could be another great year. But it's not acceptable for us to be in the position where we're saying "I wonder if the Switch will get major new releases this year." We have to hold Nintendo accountable so they can better serve their customers and fans. Shoot, we didn't even get a "please understand" this time.
 

BlueManifest

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Switch still has my 2 most wanted games this year though, octopath traveler and smash bros
 

stumblebee

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Good post. I think that it's just a side effect of nintendo having such a strong 2017 with Mario and Zelda that not following up with another game from one of their big franchises other than Smash seems a little disappointing. It's not about the good quality of a large number of games, its about not having the absolute blockbuster quality of a few of their biggest franchises.

Also you typed 'Captain Todd' lol
 

Jucksalbe

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Fire Emblem and Yoshi were both planned as 2018 titles. Guess the realities of development got in the way.
 

DarthWalden

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I can only speak for myself and I owned a WiiU so a lot of these remasters are a hard pass for me but...

I bought 7 retail games for my switch last year and beside Mario Tennis (which Im on the fence about) I don't plan on buying a single retail game this year. All though I do plan to get the Rabbids & Splatoon 2 DLC.

So yeah its disappointing.
 
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Good post. I think that it's just a side effect of nintendo having such a strong 2017 with Mario and Zelda that not following up with another game from one of their big franchises other than Smash seems a little disappointing. It's not about the good quality of a large number of games, its about not having the absolute blockbuster quality of a few of their biggest franchises.

Also you typed 'Captain Todd' lol

Yup, I didn't want to lose that great inside joke from the "old country." Glad some people still get it :-)
 

Casual

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Definitely a disappointing second year. It's expected with Nintendo though so I wouldn't call it a bait and switch. They've had large droughts on the software side for like 15 years now. Anyone expecting a constant stream of software on a Nintendo console are just setting themselves up for disappointment.

The 1st year was an anomaly caused largely due to Zelda. Zelda being such a long development + Wii U tanking so hard resulted in it being a launch title. It wasn't a normal situation.
 

ryushe

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A year with the best Zelda and Mario Nintendo has ever put out will be a tough one to follow. And I think people are underestimating how big Smash and Pokémon LGP/E will be.
 
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I'm at like 33 games so far on Switch, with 13 of them being from this year. And I already know I'm getting at least another dozen games this year. But I guess they baited me /shrug
 

ThankDougie

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Good post. I think that it's just a side effect of nintendo having such a strong 2017 with Mario and Zelda that not following up with another game from one of their big franchises other than Smash seems a little disappointing. It's not about the good quality of a large number of games, its about not having the absolute blockbuster quality of a few of their biggest franchises.

Also you typed 'Captain Todd' lol

I think we also need to take into account when some of the first year games dropped... in the fourth quarter of 2017. On the one hand, Nintendo could have waited to release one of those in 2018 and then the argument for a bait and Switch (heh, good title) would falter a bit. On the other hand, 2017 was so good that I'm still catching up to it.

2018 is weaker than 2017 for sure, but only because 2017 is one of the best years Nintendo has had in a very long time.
 

Vishmarx

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....project octopath is aaa?

Anyway . The only retail games im getting this year are bayo 2 , hyrule and octopath.
2 of them are u ports and im not even completely sold on the last one. Yeah cant say it's been great for me.
 

guek

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"Incremental New Installments of Wii U Games"
Fuck outta here with this idiocy
 

Xbox Live Mike

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Smash is going to be huge, I'm happy with the content released so far and for what is coming out in the near future.
 

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Smash and Pokemon should be in All New AAA "Home Console" Games category. Seriously.

OP your list is a mess.
 

Meelow

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People that look at this should not call the Switch content starved, and that's what released this month/will release this month.

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NotLiquid

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Star Allies, Tennis, Octo Expansion (+ reinvigorated interest in Splatoon 2), Xenoblade 2 Expansion, Celeste, all those delicious indie games, several of the Wii U ports, Octopath, Smash and Pokémon alone are making this a pretty fun year for me and my Switch personally. I don't need a new game to buy every month, I don't have that kind of luxury.
 
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Personal case of course but it doesn't bother me much, a lot of my spending goes toward indie titles more so than AAA, and my eshop wishlist is bursting at the seams.

Of course it would be great to have fewer quiet periods between big releases but I can't act surprised given the Wii U's history.
 

mopinks

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calling Mario Tennis Aces a brand new AAA game while calling Smash an incremental upgrade is seriously suspect
 

thefro

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Definitely a disappointing second year. It's expected with Nintendo though so I wouldn't call it a bait and switch. They've had large droughts on the software side for like 15 years now. Anyone expecting a constant stream of software on a Nintendo console are just setting themselves up for disappointment.

The 1st year was an anomaly caused largely due to Zelda. Zelda being such a long development + Wii U tanking so hard resulted in it being a launch title. It wasn't a normal situation.

There's a constant stream of software, it just might not be the genres some people like or have a ton of "completely exclusive to Switch" games.
 

blacktout

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Smash and Pokemon should be in All New AAA "Home Console" Games category. Seriously.

Right. I feel like these were moved to different categories mostly to support the OP's argument. Categorizing the Let's Go! games with 1, 2 Switch and Mario Party is a particularly silly stretch.
 
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Yeah 2018 feels a little barren if you aren't interested in indies or remasters. I'll definitely buy Smash but that's about it.

As to avoiding droughts by consolidating development, it doesn't seem this has happened quite yet as 3DS is still having new games announced.
 

Jahranimo

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Every year can't have non-stop bangers every 1-2 months. It's just unrealistic.

2018 has a lot of Wii U ports to pad in while the bigger stuff gets released later on. The other consoles do the same for the most part, although their previous console wasn't a huge flop with a number of games never reaching their true sales potential and audience.

It's fine. 2019 will definitely have more of that good shit we all are waiting on. Just need to be patient and play other games. If you only have a Switch AND aren't interested in Wii U ports and Indies then well....tough?
 

guek

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I feel like this thread is a bait and switch troll thread

Brb, making a thread about it
 

Jonneh

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Smash is a tad more than a "Incremental" sequel. Smash Wii U contained around 55 stages, Smash Ultimate has only been shown at E3 so far yet we've seen 84. There's three new characters thus far in addition to five who didn't appear in Smash Wii U and the core mechanics have been heavily altered to make it as much of a sequel as any new fighting game. This is a full on new game, nothing incredmetal about it.
 

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Ctrl + F

"Valkyria"
"Starlink"
"Vesperia"
"Crash"
"Ys"
"Wolfenstein"
"World Ends With You"
"Monster Hunter"
"Overcooked"
"BlazBlue"
"SNK Heroines"
"Dark Souls"
 

Jessie

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Smash and Pokemon should be in All New AAA "Home Console" Games category. Seriously.

OP your list is a mess.

I think by "AAA" they mean open world adventure games that are on par with PS4 and XB1.

I don't think we'll be getting any more from Nintendo for a while. But it's not like that's the only thing Nintendo is good for.
 

Dwebble

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You've put both Pokémon and Smash in the wrong categories, for a start.

Catching systems be damned, Let's Go is still going to be an RPG that lasts for dozens of hours.
 

Casual

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There's a constant stream of software, it just might not be the genres some people like or have a ton of "completely exclusive to Switch" games.

Sure there's a steady stream. But like you said, not the software most people want out of a Nintendo system.

Most of the steady stream is worse versions of games that have been available for months/years on other platforms.

Nintendo consoles are only as good as the first party software Nintendo releases on them for most people.
 
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It always baffles me when people see games like Splatoon 2 and Smash Ultimate as small updates. I don't understand what more people need for something to be treated as a proper sequel.

New mechanics, improved looks, and new content isn't enough I guess.
 

Yoshimitsu126

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We haven't seen any mode besides Smash yet for Ultimate so maybe we shouldn't call it incremental yet. Plus it has 65 characters (not counting the three echoes) and over 80 stages shown so far.
 

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I think by "AAA" they mean open world adventure games that are on par with PS4 and XB1.

I don't think we'll be getting any more from Nintendo for a while. But it's not like that's the only thing Nintendo is good for.
If that is OP's criteria for AAA then its a stupid criteria. Pokemon and Smash are both big experiences for the Switch and OP is trying to sell them short to make his point seem more valid.
 

Clix

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Splatoon 2 was not an incremental. The single player campaign was vastly different and longer. Salmon Run, New Rank Modes. The expansion is what I would call an incremental, but still amazing, upgrade to Splatoon 2.

As for Smash, may as well say that for every Smash game since Melee.
 

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I feel like after 2017, if I can use baseball analogies, everyone was expecting the Switch to hit another home run in 2018. I think they're just playing small ball which isn't terrible, releasing good titles, but nothing massive and game of the generation type deals with BOTW and Odyssey for some. I think they have some stuff up their sleeves for 2019 and I'm not too worried.
 

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It always baffles me when people see games like Splatoon 2 and Smash Ultimate as small updates. I don't understand what more people need for something to be treated as a proper sequel.

New mechanics, improved looks, and new content isn't enough I guess.

Show Smash 4 and Ultimate to someone without prior knowledge of the series and odds are they won't see any difference.
 

Rezae

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Switch still has my 2 most wanted games this year though, octopath traveler and smash bros

I think those are mine too (even though I've rarely played Smash I think this time I'll dig in).

I think it's evident that 2017 was so strong because they scaled back and shifted resources off the Wii U during it's last year or two. This year I still don't have enough time to play everything, but there are obviously a lot of ports and Indies filling the calendar. I think 2019 and 2020 will be equally strong years as the 2017 teams flesh out their next round of games.
 

Instro

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I feel like after 2017, if I can use baseball analogies, everyone was expecting the Switch to hit another home run in 2018. I think they're just playing small ball which isn't terrible, releasing good titles, but nothing massive and game of the generation type deals with BOTW and Odyssey for some. I think they have some stuff up their sleeves for 2019 and I'm not too worried.

I think part of the reason that everyone is so thrown by 2018 is that Nintendo came out with fairly lofty hardware/software goals, so it was just assumed that they would be firing on all cylinders
 

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your strange and questionable categorization of games and complete exclusion of many others will be this thread's downfall