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Midnight Jon

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Oct 25, 2017
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Sorry if it's been covered but wtf is even their official/PR reason for separating the kids in the first place?
~*the parents are breaking laws that democrats put in place and we cannot hold children with them*~

(never mind the fact that US asylum-seeking law clearly states that anyone seeking asylum doesn't need to be at an official port of entry for their case to be valid, with various exceptions that ICE/the DOJ clearly haven't done their due diligence at all to investigate)
 

acheron_xl

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Oct 27, 2017
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I dont believe in stooping to their level so yes I do. I honestly believe if youre going to claim moral high ground. Be the moral high ground. Otherwise youre no better than all the very religion ppl who believe in anti abortion but are okay with seperating children from families.

Pick a moral stick to it.

Fuck off.
 

xxracerxx

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Oct 25, 2017
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I dont believe in stooping to their level so yes I do. I honestly believe if youre going to claim moral high ground. Be the moral high ground. Otherwise youre no better than all the very religion ppl who believe in anti abortion but are okay with seperating children from families.

Pick a moral stick to it.
So there is no moral gray zone? Only moral black or white?
 

samoyed

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Oct 26, 2017
15,191
and the depth and evolution were seeing in the threads about trump? (Dont get me wrong many posters are doing amazing things such as the one who created the thread about how to fight this and who to donate to. But quite a percentage is the whole they should be killed should be shot to the sun ill piss on their grave segment ... wtf is the evolution there? )
https://www.resetera.com/threads/re...has-raised-over-8-million.50296/#post-9474829
https://www.resetera.com/threads/na...nced-by-rep-jayapal-progressive-groups.50017/
https://www.resetera.com/threads/ca...-to-stop-this-protest-their-offices-lo.49986/
https://www.resetera.com/threads/fe...n-policy-heres-what-you-can-do-to-help.49820/

Do something helpful/constructive instead of tone policing every Trump thread.
 

Skelepuzzle

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Apr 17, 2018
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Sorry if it's been covered but wtf is even their official/PR reason for separating the kids in the first place?

Sessions instituted the "zero-tolerance" policy of separating families at the border in May. "If you are smuggling a child then we will prosecute you, and that child will be separated from you as required by law," Sessions said at a law enforcement event in Scottsdale, Arizona. "If you don't like that, then don't smuggle children over our border."

Quite literally "because we can."

Alternatively, because elves hate brown people.
 

wisdom0wl

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Oct 26, 2017
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I dont believe in stooping to their level so yes I do. I honestly believe if youre going to claim moral high ground. Be the moral high ground. Otherwise youre no better than all the very religion ppl who believe in anti abortion but are okay with seperating children from families.

Pick a moral stick to it.
For telling us the world isn't black and white, this is pretty black and white.

But sure, let's just ask them to kindly release the captive toddlers. I'm sure they'll say yes if we all say please.
 

Celestine

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Oct 31, 2017
694
Tokyo, Japan
I dont believe in stooping to their level so yes I do. I honestly believe if youre going to claim moral high ground. Be the moral high ground. Otherwise youre no better than all the very religion ppl who believe in anti abortion but are okay with seperating children from families.

Pick a moral stick to it.

Yep here come the tone police.

"That tiger is eating a baby!! Fuck noo!"

"Why are you saying fuck? We're better than this. Take the moral high ground and maybe this wouldn't happen!"

Dude sometimes it's okay to be angry. Some situations warrant it and anger can be a catalyst to spur people to positive action.
 
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UnpopularBlargh
Oct 26, 2017
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For telling us the world isn't black and white, this is pretty black and white.

But sure, let's just ask them to kindly release the captive toddlers. I'm sure they'll say yes if we all say please.
But don't you see! By posting on a random internet forum that I want to punch Trump in the face I'm the exact same as the ICE officers who lie and steal kids from their parents! /s
 

Jpop

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Oct 27, 2017
2,655
Yep here come the tone police.

"That tiger is eating a baby!! Fuck noo!"

"Why are you saying fuck? We're better than this. Take the moral high ground and maybe this wouldn't happen!"

Dude sometimes it's okay to be angry. Some situations warrant it and anger can be a catalyst to spur people to positive action.

All his political posts are tone policing "us far left liberals" telling us don't stoop to Trump's level.
 

ishan

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Oct 27, 2017
2,192
This doesn't hold much sway because violent resistance has had just as much if not more historical significance all over the world. Even in India itself.
im sorry in india? What the failed 1857 rebellion? prior to british colonization when we were princely states? Bose who tried as ive repeatedly pointed out tried to ally with nazis? Pray do tell me how any violent movement in india is as significant as gandis non violent movement?
 

Not

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Oct 25, 2017
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huh sure in your head that is my core problem. Like literally how does that enter your mind ? I literally have an indian flag as my profile and a name like ishan but youve somehow decided this is about my lack of emphathy for mexican ppl? Do you not understand how silly that sounds?
I don't care if you're Mexican, honestly. You don't have empathy for another subsection of human beings, judging by your prioritizing of tone policing in a thread about growing tolerated dehumanization in modern society.
 

Jpop

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Oct 27, 2017
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I don't care if you're Mexican, honestly. You don't have empathy for another subsection of human beings, judging by your prioritizing of tone policing in a thread about growing tolerated dehumanization in modern society.

Don't bother with him anymore. His entire post history is ton policing democrats for being mean to Trump/Republicans.
 

ishan

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Oct 27, 2017
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Yep here come the tone police.

"That tiger is eating a baby!! Fuck noo!"

"Why are you saying fuck? We're better than this. Take the moral high ground and maybe this wouldn't happen!"

Dude sometimes it's okay to be angry. Some situations warrant it and anger can be a catalyst to spur people to positive action.
were not animals were humans. when we stoop to animal levels then the analogy is valid. I will admit trump admin is getting close but its not nazis yet.

Lets put it this way, europe did not stop the rise of nazi germany, but when it got bad we fought. Maybe some of us prefer to fight with violence only if absolutely necessary. And you should respect that within us.
 

ishan

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Oct 27, 2017
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I don't care if you're Mexican, honestly. You don't have empathy for another subsection of human beings, judging by your prioritizing of tone policing in a thread about growing tolerated dehumanization in modern society.
Im indian . And you obviously are here just to insult me because i disagree with something you feel strongly about without reading what Im writing. Extremes are wrong dude. Read, discuss talk. Ive said many times (read my post history that this is a horrible/messed up whats going on) but I also dont feel ppl should be saying the things they are on this forum .
 

Celestine

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Oct 31, 2017
694
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were not animals were humans. when we stoop to animal levels then the analogy is valid. I will admit trump admin is getting close but its not nazis yet.

Lets put it this way, europe did not stop the rise of nazi germany, but when it got bad we fought. Maybe some of us prefer to fight with violence only if absolutely necessary. And you should respect that within us.

Ok you're absolutely right on that first part let me change it.

"That human is eating a baby! Fuck nooo!"

"Why are you saying fuck? We're better than this. Take the moral high ground and maybe this wouldn't happen!"

But by this point you're just being disingenuous, and I have a strong feeling I'm feeding a troll.

And wtf, when Nazi Germany GOT BAD we fought? Like you're happy things turned out the way it did? Tell that to the millions of Jews who were horribly murdered before then? I mean what, I can't even.
 

samoyed

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Oct 26, 2017
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It's like Ghandi is some secret word that turns the evil off lmaooo. I cannot tell if naiveté or if we're getting trolled
This is actually the same mindset we saw in this thread:
The problem is that racist was thrown around at every Republican and then when an actual blatant racist Republican shows up like Trump nobody is listening because that was hurled at all of them so Trump can go all in on racism and it has no effect.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/a-moderate-democrat-confesses-his-sins.43894/page-14#post-8175708

There's just a certain subset of liberals who seem to believe words have magic powers and can make social problems go away if people would just stop misusing them and diluting their powers!
 

Skelepuzzle

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wisdom0wl

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im sorry in india? What the failed 1857 rebellion? prior to british colonization when we were princely states? Bose who tried as ive repeatedly pointed out tried to ally with nazis? Pray do tell me how any violent movement in india is as significant as gandis non violent movement?
Yes. Even failed movements have lasting influence. Honestly, have you ever studied history? It's not simply winners and losers. Everything has an effect:
After the Second World War, many British officials were unsettled by fear of the Indian National Army, a military organisation made up of Indian prisoners of war released from Japanese custody and led by the famous nationalist Subhas Chandra Bose.

Despite being defeated militarily, the INA strengthened British unease that the continued occupation of India would be met by violent resistance. Following the end of the war, the trial of INA prisoners provided a serious problem for colonial legitimacy and helped to stoke the mass nationalism that forced Britain to withdraw in 1947.

So while it is the memory of Gandhi and non-violence that is now marked by British politicians when they visit India, the other side to the story is very real, and should not be forgotten.
 

Midnight Jon

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Oct 25, 2017
4,161
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while we're on the subject of holocaust references, I regret to inform you that The Nib elected five Jewish cartoonists to speak for everyone last year

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ishan

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Oct 27, 2017
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It's like Ghandi is some secret word that turns the evil off lmaooo. I cannot tell if naiveté or if we're getting trolled
at least get the spelling right if you're trying to make a point . And no its not. Its the ideas he built of you can tell someone to fuck off without having to fight. The idea you say no and you take any killings on your side and then they realize hey what are we doing. Its a deep idea. Its not a magic person . But it is a fucking magic idea thats why mandella and mlk liked it.

EDIT: Its literally the anti terrorism doctrine. You dont kill or terrorize you go do what you need to we still want this were doing this we wont fight you . Humans stop killing if you do that because were humans. No shit its an amazing idea
 

samoyed

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Oct 26, 2017
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The idea you say no and you take any killings on your side and then they realize hey what are we doing.

https://qz.com/726245/more-black-pe...n-were-lynched-in-the-worst-year-of-jim-crow/
On an average, 39 black people were lynched per year under Jim Crow. In 1892, the worst year, 161 black Americans were lynched.

More than a century later, the numbers have hardly improved. In 2015, 258 black people were killed by US police, representing over 26% of deaths.

They realized they weren't killing enough Blacks and ramped it up since Jim Crow.
 

Jpop

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Oct 27, 2017
2,655
Please everyone ignore ishan

He constantly trolls in political threads tone policing democrats, while calling both sides extreme.
 

Deleted member 41271

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Eh. Sure, he's human. But at a certain point, there's not really any turning back. When you've done so much evil shit in your life, there's not really a road to redemption. Most of his supporters? Sure, they can probably turn back pretty easily. But Trump's soul is fucked.

I do not think that his supporters or he can turn back. I do think their souls are screwed due to their own choices.

But not because they're subhuman. Because they are human, and embraced hate to gain power. That, to me, is FAR worse than "subhuman" - a monster wouldn't really be able to do a thing about what they are. Trump would have been able to act differently. He chose not to.

Again, I'm not saying this for moral high ground stuff. No, I genuinely believe that saying he's subhuman is essentially excusing parts of his actions. And I feel that should not be done.
 
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UnpopularBlargh
Oct 26, 2017
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I already posted about Gandhi and Mandela, and their views on the sometime validity of violence. Here's MLK since someone had to namedrop him alongside the other two:
But it is not enough for me to stand before you tonight and condemn riots. It would be morally irresponsible for me to do that without, at the same time, condemning the contingent, intolerable conditions that exist in our society. These conditions are the things that cause individuals to feel that they have no other alternative than to engage in violent rebellions to get attention. And I must say tonight that a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it America has failed to hear?...It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice and humanity.
No one is saying that peaceful protest is wrong or misguided. But to say it's the only way? That just by thinking of doing violence against the oppressor we're the same as them? Nah. All three (Gandhi, Mandela and MLK) knew the limits and power of both violence and non-violence. So please stop trotting them out to prop up your surface level understanding of their history.
 
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wisdom0wl

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Oct 26, 2017
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at least get the spelling right if you're trying to make a point . And no its not. Its the ideas he built of you can tell someone to fuck off without having to fight. Its a deep idea. Its not a magic person .
You serious? You know who I was trying to make a point about, fuck off. But sure. I'll make sure to spell Gandhi correctly from now on. Also, hit that apostrophe button fam. You gotta know when to use the possessive form. It was real tough trying to parse this and see what point you were making.

You also keep bringing up Mandela as if he didn't understand that non violence has its limits. Multiple people in this thread have brought up sources for you to check, and yet you ignore it because it takes away from the fact that sometimes wars need to be fought and words are not enough.

I'm done with this. Live in your fantasy.
 

Maquiladora

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Nov 16, 2017
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This evil racist fascist lying sack of putrid shit only became president because too many of you didn't prevent it by voting for Hillary...I will never not be furious about that.
 

Green Yoshi

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Oct 27, 2017
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Trump is only the beginning. There will be even worse presidents in the future who are evil AND smart.

But for now let's hope Democrats won't fuck up the 2020 elections.
 

Kitsunelaine

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Oct 25, 2017
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Just because we dont see something doesnt mean its not real. Judgement day for everyone is inevitable thats what i believe anyway. Trump and the all the scum of this world will get what they deserve.

But don't pin your hopes on some ethereal judgement. That's how real life judgement fails to happen. People get complacent with vague gestures to "They'll get what's coming to them". Be it through hell or by someone else's hands.

This thoughtline is actively dangerous to the idea of justice.
 

hjort

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Nov 9, 2017
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Just because we dont see something doesnt mean its not real. Judgement day for everyone is inevitable thats what i believe anyway. Trump and the all the scum of this world will get what they deserve.
If you believe in that, fair enough, but just to be on the safe side I think we should make sure these fucks get what they deserve in this world, that we can all be (comparatively) sure exists. If there is a god or whatever that wants to give 'em a little extra after that, that's fine too, but we shouldn't rely on that.
 
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vicisac

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Nov 2, 2017
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Putting the obvious stupid crap Trump says, there is a bit of truth with the smuggling part. The people crossing into the US pay a lot of money to smugglers to get them across the border, and they do take advantage of the loopholes in the law, that's why they take children with them. The right and the left wing media paint things in absolutes, when it's an extremely gray area.

Those illegal immigrants are not all horrible monsters and rapists like the right thinks, but the liberals are also a bit retarded and being taken advantage of, they are hardly poor defenseless victims. I don't support taking kids away from their families, but what the fuck are they doing crossing illegally?
 

Ludens

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Oct 29, 2017
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But don't pin your hopes on some ethereal judgement. That's how real life judgement fails to happen. People get complacent with vague gestures to "They'll get what's coming to them". Be it through hell or by someone else's hands.

This thoughtline is actively dangerous to the idea of justice.
I get your point. But real justice for the powerfull and wealthy people rearly happens and they are the most guilty of crime and injustice on this planet. So there must be something els. I refuse to believe that they will get away with all the shit they cause to the rest of humanity.
So yeah its comforting to believe that they will get punished in the hearafter.
 

Kitsunelaine

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I get your point. But real justice for the powerfull and wealthy people rearly happens and they are the most guilty of crime and injustice on this planet. So there must be something els. I refuse to believe that they will get away with all the shit they cause to the rest of humanity.
So yeah its comforting to believe that they will get punished in the hearafter.

It shouldn't be comforting. It's placating. It's just one of the many mechanisms these people have to escape justice.
 

Ludens

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Oct 29, 2017
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If you believe in that, fair enough, but just to be on the safe side I think we should make sure these fucks get what they deserve in this world, that we can all be (comparatively) sure exists. If there is a god or whatever that wants to give 'em a little extra after that, that's fine too, but we shouldn't rely on that.
And we sure as hell shoundnt rely on our justice system for people like Trump.

What can weak people like us really do? The damn system is built around those scum.
 

hjort

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And we sure as hell shoundnt rely on our justice system for people like Trump.

What can weak people like us really do? The damn system is built around those scum.
No, you're absolutely right. There is no such thing as equality before the law, but that's just another one of those tragically tangible things that we all have to try and deal with, somehow. If the system is flawed (it is) we need to change it. The cards are stacked against us, and there's nothing any single individual can do, but if many enough of us get together we just might stand a chance.
 

Ludens

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No, you're absolutely right. There is no such thing as equality before the law, but that's just another one of those tragically tangible things that we all have to try and deal with, somehow. If the system is flawed (it is) we need to change it. The cards are stacked against us, and there's nothing any single individual can do, but if many enough of us get together we just might stand a chance.

For big changes like this to even have some kind of chance to happen it requires some big sacrifices. You have to give up most of your time, your wealth, forget all the things you love to do, even your loved ones will get effect and last thing your own life, which is the hardest part because it can mean long ass prison time or even death. How many do you think are really up for that challenge?


It shouldn't be comforting. It's placating. It's just one of the many mechanisms these people have to escape justice.

These people are already escaping the justicesysten with them believing in hell or not. So i dont get your point really.