He may end up in Sacramento nobody knows but to claim that 1) lakers don't know how to develop their young players and 2) that lakers need Kawaii to get LeBron is 1) simply stupidity 2) assumptive without actual evidence.
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NBA superstar Kawhi Leonard wants out of SA; LAL preferred destination (Update: Traded to Toronto)
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He may end up in Sacramento nobody knows but to claim that 1) lakers don't know how to develop their young players and 2) that lakers need Kawaii to get LeBron is 1) simply stupidity 2) assumptive without actual evidence.
I don't agree with the guy that said the Lakers are a bum ass organization or that they can't develop young players... But LeBron isn't trying to wait for players to develop. He wants guys that are ready to help him win a championship right now. Ingram, Ball, and Kuzma aren't ready to do that. Plus LeBron seems to be dead set on playing with at least two other superstars to compete...
If the Lakers can flip that young core into Kawhi and PG, then they have LeBron's attention. It'll take nothing less.
Yeah, tell 'me like it is. I'm glad you're in here speaking truths instead of assumptio-
Oh wait, nevermind. Everything is speculation and assumptions. Your posts and everyone else's. Unless you're secretly Magic you don't know anything more than anyone else in here lol
How does a system hold you back?
Systems is how you win championships.
Kwahi and LeBron makes perfect sense. Kwahi's defense will give LeBron a break and extend his career. He deserves 3-4 more years winning rings in LA.
/quietly puts flags back on car
Spurs handled this terribly. Kawhi doesn't strike me as the type to fake an injury. Dude was hurt and he got shit on by the Spurs for not rushing back and risking his career. There is no coming back from that.
Kawhi and Lebron scares the shit out of me
Lebron knows how to manage his body and his minutes now and Kawhi is a goddamn dominator
Lebron knows how to manage his body and his minutes now and Kawhi is a goddamn dominator
Alternatively, the Spurs were right and knew Kawhi was being fed a line of bullshit from his inner circle who are chasing endorsement dollars.
I'm not actually suggesting it's that clear cut either way but believing the Spurs fucked up this colossally goes against everything we know of the past 2 decades.
I want Kawhi on my team, but I can't seem to understand how this drama started. So he was misdiagnosed and now he wants to be traded? I'm confused
We do have history. History of Lakers refusing to trade their assets for Paul george and instead waited to try and sign him. Is that a guarantee of what they will do in this situation? No. But we do see how this management group views trading a bunch of key assets for a one year non guarantee long term player.
This Kawhi thing is so annoying. Dude is my favorite player, I just wanted to see him make more Finals appearances in a Spurs jersey. For me, the '14 Spurs playoff run was the most beautiful team to watch since MJ left the Bulls.
lol... He's pushing it.
Finals L. Maybe better for him to go out west since he's holding too many of those.
An interesting twist to this that I hadn't heard about until today (on a podcast) was that any team that trades for Kawhi can't extend him for 6 months, so any agreement he makes to stick around with a team that trades for him would be 100% unofficial and under the table stuff.
The difference is adding George that year did them no good. Not getting Kawhi now likely impacts their attractiveness to other FAs this year. It's not a 1:1 situation.
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Probably helps if LA is his preferred destination, but it also creates risk for them. Remember everyone assumed Dwight would resign after becoming a Laker.
Couldn't they still have Kawhi sign with SA and then immediately flip him to the second team? I know you can't do that with the super-max contracts but should be okay otherwise.
It really depends on how firm his team is on the West coast only thing. Boston isn't going to trade away Brown+picks if they know Kawhi isn't going to extend his deal.
my guess is that he is unlikely to go to any team that could be considered a contender with his services.
The Lakers will get Kawhi in a trade before the season starts if they offer the Spurs front office the best collection of assets/picks for him. The Spurs organization isn't suddenly going to screw themselves with bad contracts and parts that don't fit, just because Kawhi wants out.
That being said, while Kuzma and Ingram are solid, I'm not even sure they will be the best offer we will get. I guarantee we will get better offers than Kuzma/Ingram and Deng's contract and in order for LA to make their dream of Kawhi, Lebron and PG a reality, they are going to have to find someone to take on that Deng contract. Don't think the Spurs are going to do them that favor.
For real, and it's not like it has been that long since their last Championship, less than a decade.
I was kind of under the impression it was Laker's fans that wanted them to do this, not everyone else. Doesn't every fan base want their team to get better?
I prefer a Knicks superteam. Kuwaii and LeBron can win anywhere as long as the former is healthy.
Isn't Kuwaii a country
True, anyways its kinda weird that a meek dude like him, who isn't really about the flashy life wants to go to LA.
Something isn't adding up here
He grew up in L.A. like PG did. I get them wanting to play here even though I'm a Clipper fan and wanted him to play for us instead. You're not going to find too many players who grew up wanting to play for the Clippers.
Of course. People tend to want any Dynasty team that isn't their own to fail though. I know plenty of LeBron haters who wanted the Cavs to win this time just to see the Warriors lose, if we all just assume the Warriors will win every year, then the entire league is boring.
Ah didn't know Kawhi grew up there, then that makes sense.
By the way how did you choose the Clips over the Lakeshow if you are from the area?
Bro chill. Theres no need to be hostile. It sucks we get it. But to act like the Spurs have any options without Kawhi's blessing is pretty ignorant. If the Lakers offer you Ingram and Deng....you take it.
Its Lakertown through and through. Clippers fans are just hipster LA fans who have the luxury to root for the unpopular team....Clippers fans have been real quiet since Lob City got demolished.
I feel like Kawhi and Lebron joining up in LA would be a metron ton of karma coming Skip's way lol
Yes. Pretty much. The Spurs team doctor apparently told him he was clear to play where his own doctor said no. That is what caused this whole ordeal of him not playing the remaining season, Pap throwing out subliminal shots via player interviews saying that they were in a similar scenario and still played(want to say it was Parker).
Skip last year: "Kawhi is the BEST player in the NBA, not the chosen one turned into a frozen one!"
Skip today:
"Kawhi isn't a superstar!! He's been exposed!!!"
Honestly I'm not from here. I grew up in Arkansas. I moved here about 9 years ago and adopted the Clippers as my team since they were the fun underdog and I was sick of the entitled attitude of many Laker fans.
That's basically paying Ingram $25M per year. The Spurs would be better off sitting Kawhi all season and see who'll pay him after not playing two years straight.
This slipped past me but - Ingram and Deng for Kawhi?
Oh, you! HAHA.
What if these is all LeBrons master plan, convincing everybody he's going to the Lakers. Tell Pop to trade Kawhi for Ingram and kuzma and then convince PGeorge to join him to play for Pop in SA.:p
Add the drama that followed Isaiah Thomas and his trade to and from the celtics was just a warning sign to all players. I am actually pretty confident that Boston has 0 chance with Kawhi because of that IT3 shit.
Wade is speculating as much as anyone.
Bron hasn't made a decision yet. He's gonna watch where the chips fall and then make a decision that maximises his chances of winning a championship.
You're an idiot if you think he's not hoping to team up with Kawhi, who the best player in the league not named LeBron and maybe KD when healthy.
Take your pills and sit this out.
It's not hostility, it's keeping delusional Lakers fans in check.
Kawhi holds a ton of leverage, as he should, but the Spurs control the timing, and that in and of itself makes other teams beholden to us, not the other way around.
Kawhi may want to go LA and team up with LeBron now when there's money to go around to build a superteam, but a year from now that won't necessarily be an option.
If the Lakers don't land Kawhi this year, LeBron might head off to Philly, stay in the East and be on a solid team that can still make moves to get even better.
Or he might go to Houston.
Or even New Orleans.
But he sure as fuck isn't going to the Lakers for Paul George and Lonzo Ball.
So, nah, realistically, if the Spurs say hand over a combination of Ingram, Kuzma, Hart, Randle - y'all can take it now or remain a bum ass organisation for the forseeable future while you pin all your hopes and dreams on PG13 (if he doesn't decide to go elsewhere or stay in OKC) and we'll hold on to Kawhi and use that year to convince him to stay in San Antonio.