Yeah. that's an important distinction. The marketing and presentation of this game has been pretentious. Who knows what the game ends up being.
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Are the Death Stranding reveals pretentious?
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Love to not know anything of how a game is supposed to play literally a year after it's announced but hey here's some b-tier actor you clearly don't give a fuck about mucking around in our fancy in-house engine with these empty ass visual motifs that will probably mean absolutely nothing by the time the game actually goes gold $59.99 you fucking dumbass
I'm tired of this game. I'm tired of the forced intrigue bullshit the developer is trying to push, these empty, meaningless visuals that I couldn't give a shit about
It's as if Kojima read the Wikipedia page of the STALKER film and just aped a bunch of nonsensical slog behind it's backdrop that the could also convinently pass off as 'quirky, Japanese bullshit' that his audience loves to eat up
Why can't Kojima just make a game that's as good as MGS3 again man
I'm tired of this game. I'm tired of the forced intrigue bullshit the developer is trying to push, these empty, meaningless visuals that I couldn't give a shit about
It's as if Kojima read the Wikipedia page of the STALKER film and just aped a bunch of nonsensical slog behind it's backdrop that the could also convinently pass off as 'quirky, Japanese bullshit' that his audience loves to eat up
Why can't Kojima just make a game that's as good as MGS3 again man
Yes. People use the word pretentious way too loosely, anything that leans towards art and forgoes traditional game design gets labeled pretentious. We don't even know what Death Stranding is yet.
There is no question here at all of what they're making.
The gameplay scenes showed us the scale of levels we can expect, the genre, the inclusion of stealth play, a focus on traversal, and maybe a hint of survival play elements. I've said this elsewhere; Phantom Pain released just three years ago and in between they established a team, founded an office, chose and are continuing to learn a new engine and began marketing and development immediately. The pace of this game's development is actually fast given all of that and we already have a better idea of how this game is going to actually play than some other long announced games (FF7 remake, Cyberpunk).
We're all eager for even more information. Insinuating that it's a non-game is just condescending.
I'd recommend you watch all of the trailer breakdowns and realize all of the fuckery that's already being discussed.
From Kojima's interviews, this is shaping up to be his swansong, he's put so much love in it I believe he'll retire after releasing DS.
From Kojima's interviews, this is shaping up to be his swansong, he's put so much love in it I believe he'll retire after releasing DS.
I kind of see where you're coming from, OP. The trailers/gameplay we've seen so far hasn't given real impression of the game yet besides some tone, and that's a little strange considering we're 4 in.
Dunno if I'd call it pretentious necessarily, but I wouldn't be surprised if I felt that wa after playing it. I kind of just imagine kojima is now trying to make his dream game, and whether that works out or not still needs to be seen.
Should be a trippy time regardless.
Just let me 180 no scope some fools, all other games are art house bullshit
This game is very story focused. And, if teasing and not giving away all about the story is pretentious, then half of hollywood trailers have been "pretentious".
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Sometimes I open this forum fully expecting to age by at least another two months by reading nonsensical fanwank from people who don't even bathe
Today I've aged four months by reading this post
I'm baffled. Fucking perplexed.
So what you're telling me is we're at least 4 trailers away from it coming out
You keep just saying it's pretentious, but what is it about this the trailers that makes it that way to you?
isn't this the same guy whose last game had every single mission open & close with a credit sequence? his friggin' middle name's 'pretentious' :) ...
now, does he continue to out-pretentious even himself with all the death stranding stuff? hell, yes. to the point it's laughable, verging on pathetic, unfortunately...
now, does he continue to out-pretentious even himself with all the death stranding stuff? hell, yes. to the point it's laughable, verging on pathetic, unfortunately...
I really enjoy Kojima's work but I'm almost fatigued of this game already...I understand the mystery and slow burn but come on...
Maybe accurate, but now they're going to be showing us more and more of the game world.
I wouldn't call them pretentious, but I do think they are not really effective. It feels like the hype around this game has deflated quite a lot since its reveal. That said, I dont think it matters since gamers are very forgiving and fickle and it just needs one good trailer to get the buzz going again.
I dont understand this at all. How is what I said not true? He's famous for melding odd concepts and really off the wall presentation with off beat humor, great mechanics, and memorable execution that is wholly unique to his vision. And he frequently lacks subtlety but is adored just the same. There are a lot of famous developers but only one Kojima.
For the record I don't even like most of his games. MGS3 is the only masterpiece in that series as far as I'm concerned, but I cant sent he's one of kind.
Your post seems disproportionate to my comment.
Four trailers in I was expecting something meaty. Obviously I'm disappointed but it's a Kojima game. He loves doing this.
This sounds like less a problem with Kojima and more a completely self-inflicted issue. Don't watch?
I love this marketing. It sets the tone perfectly.
I prefer mystery over giving away the entire plot in trailers.
I prefer mystery over giving away the entire plot in trailers.
That remains to be seen.
To call it pretentious requires the context of the actual game, not just its trailers.
To call it pretentious requires the context of the actual game, not just its trailers.
If that's what you really believe avant garde is, and believe that Kojima is the closest thing the industry has to avant garde filmmaking then I find that incredibly baffling, that's it
If you're that upset by it, maybe you should focus on something else. Breathe, man. Jesus.
Well it's good to watch if you want to have a real opinion on the matter. That said the last trailer is a much bigger reveal than it gets credit for even if the overall game is still shrouded.
Yep. A lot of posts in here come off as nothing more than 'pump the brakes, this isn't the video game tone and self-seriousness I'm used to'.
This is silly. He's made 5 of better games ever made, all immensely critically recieved. Even a single dud wouldn't destroy his reputation, especially as he's landing on his feet.
Add to that, it does vaguely make sense, you just have to pay attention and use some analysis and thought. Basically, things aren't blatantly spelled out for anyone, but the bread crumbs and fundamentals are there, which in a day and age where every single video game spoon feeds and hand holds us through everything narrative and trailer wise, isn't necessarily a bad thing. Though I can fully appreciate if it's not everyone's cup of tea. I don't think it's supposed to be.
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I was half joking, but I seriously think we get 2 more trailers and it'll release cross gen with the PS4 and PS5 in 2020
In AAA game development? I sure do. I don't see how he doesn't fit an approximation to that label. I also amended my post to,elaborate that I dont adore him or anything, but he stands out. I may play this game, may not. So far I don't really find much apoealing about it.
Now there are a ton of indie devleopers who probably fit that label just as well, but they're not household names amongst the gaming community yet.
