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Chrome Hyena

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Oct 30, 2017
8,768
User Banned (1 Week): Dismissing sexual assault and domestic abuse allegations.
He covered all the bases, actually: denied only the "sexual assault", not really being clear about anything else and that's MOST of what Chloe said on her post, to anyone paying attention. Also, by saying this, he's covering any audio evidence she might have of them arguing: "Our three year relationship was not perfect—we were ultimately not a good match and argued—even shouted at each other—but I loved her, and did my best to uplift and support her as a partner and companion in any way and at no time did I sexually assault her".

The reason that it's even more disheartening to see people here on Era and social media demanding "proof" from Chloe is this:



Literally all he did was to deny to sexually assault her. Everything else about how abusive their relationship was... nada. He goes as far as admit to "shout" at her. He is full of shit and I can't believe some can't see it yet. Why is so ridiculously hard to some to believe women?

In my mind its he said /she said especially since he is denying it. So now it comes to credibility. And as for proof if she has it she should share it if simply because she can say "he abused me" and he loses everything but if he says he didn't he won't magically get it back. I simply like more than someone's word when it comes to ruining another's career/ life.
 

ZattMurdock

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
10,333
Earth 616
In my mind its he said /she said especially since he is denying it. So now it comes to credibility. And as for proof if she has it she should share it if simply because she can say "he abused me" and he loses everything but if he says he didn't he won't magically get it back. I simply like more than someone's word when it comes to ruining another's career/ life.

I encourage you to read his "official statement" carefully curated by his legal team again. HE NEVER DENIES THE ABUSE. All he denies is that he has "sexually assaulted" her, and anyone that has read what she has posted will see that it was about emotional/physical abuse AND blacklisting her career. HE LITERALLY DIDN'T DENY ANY OF THIS. Why? She does has proof.
 

xinoart

Member
Oct 27, 2017
506
I encourage you to read his "official statement" carefully curated by his legal team again. HE NEVER DENIES THE ABUSE. All he denies is that he has "sexually assaulted" her, and anyone that has read what she has posted will see that it was about emotional/physical abuse AND blacklisting her career. HE LITERALLY DIDN'T DENY ANY OF THIS. Why? She does has proof.


Again what career? I ask because she hasn't done much of anything before or after their relationship. In fact her last move since he hired her for nerdist, she was watching porn on youtube.
 
Oct 25, 2017
26,560
Very true, but with so many different aspects to cover, you can't just demand someone has proof when it literally involves millions of dollars and future livelihoods of many people. For a simple individual as myself, I could do that, but with someone who has so many projects future projects in different stages and involved in so many projects going on currently, it's not impossible but highly stupid do so such a thing.



I literally know more than anyone on this here forum from personal experience than just from reading stories of people I don't know and have reason to lie just for internet fame.
Okay, how bout listen to a story from someone you do know? Point is, you recognize patterns.

Point is, people don't share these stories to get famous.
 

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Oct 26, 2017
11,284
For someone who is self-admittedly in the industry and has a lot of sources, are you hearing specifics from people that this is all a vengeful attack aimed at ruining his livelihood?
 

xinoart

Member
Oct 27, 2017
506
Okay, how bout listen to a story from someone you do know? Point is, you recognize patterns.

Point is, people don't share these stories to get famous.


I know more than you can imagine, thank you very much. I do recognize patterns and someone with 25 years of experience in the industry with not a single bad thing ever said about him is more believable than a single story.

Also, plenty of people have shared stories to get famous or get back into the public eye. It's fairly common actually.

For someone who is self-admittedly in the industry and has a lot of sources, are you hearing specifics from people that this is all a vengeful attack aimed at ruining his livelihood?

Who is this aimed at? I don't think anyone here is in the industry.
 

Zero315

Member
Oct 25, 2017
7,193
I literally know more than anyone on this here forum from personal experience than just from reading stories of people I don't know and have reason to lie just for internet fame.
Well this is gross as fuck.

Again what career? I ask because she hasn't done much of anything before or after their relationship. In fact her last move since he hired her for nerdist, she was watching porn on youtube.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I know more than you can imagine, thank you very much. I do recognize patterns and someone with 25 years of experience in the industry with not a single bad thing ever said about him is more believable than a single story.

Also, plenty of people have shared stories to get famous or get back into the public eye. It's fairly common actually.
Okay.

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xinoart

Member
Oct 27, 2017
506
User Banned (2 Weeks): Dismissing sexual assault and domestic abuse allegations.
Well this is gross as fuck.

It's gross because she claims to have proof yet won't show it? Sorry I have a rational attitude when it comes to internet rage.

Also, sorry but her boyfriend isn't a source that is reliable.
 

Ketkat

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
4,727
I know more than you can imagine, thank you very much. I do recognize patterns and someone with 25 years of experience in the industry with not a single bad thing ever said about him is more believable than a single story.

Also, plenty of people have shared stories to get famous or get back into the public eye. It's fairly common actually.

What's your opinion on the #MeToo movement in general? Why do you feel that these stories had to become a twitter movement instead of something in the courts? Do you feel that everyone accused was innocent because it was all kept under wraps before these accusations?
 

Deleted member 8561

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Oct 26, 2017
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I know more than you can imagine, thank you very much. I do recognize patterns and someone with 25 years of experience in the industry with not a single bad thing ever said about him is more believable than a single story.

Also, plenty of people have shared stories to get famous or get back into the public eye. It's fairly common actually.



Who is this aimed at? I don't think anyone here is in the industry.

Uhhhh, you? You keep mentioning being 25 years in the industry and you have personal experience.

I literally know more than anyone on this here forum from personal experience than just from reading stories of people I don't know and have reason to lie just for internet fame.

Unless you're saying that because he has been in the industry for 25 years and nothing has come out that he must be innocent.

In which case, that's absolutely hilarious
 

PlanetSmasher

The Abominable Showman
Member
Oct 25, 2017
115,670
I know more than you can imagine, thank you very much. I do recognize patterns and someone with 25 years of experience in the industry with not a single bad thing ever said about him is more believable than a single story.

I hope you realize that some people here actually DO know him or have connections in the industry.
 

xinoart

Member
Oct 27, 2017
506
What's your opinion on the #MeToo movement in general? Why do you feel that these stories had to become a twitter movement instead of something in the courts? Do you feel that everyone accused was innocent because it was all kept under wraps before these accusations?


I don't know why my opinion matters in this regard. The movement was a long time coming and there are thousands of other industries who should be scared and rightfully so. I hope their time will come swiftly.

As I've stated before, only one accuser in over 25 years of being in the industry doesn't fit the norm for rapists, abusers, or people of that ilk. They are more likely to be serial perpetrators of abuse. In my opinion right now, the evidence isn't there and I prefer to be cautious than calling for his head. Chloe has a lot of past demons that people aren't looking for. Chris doesn't appear to from what I've seen.

She won't show the proof to YOU. YOU are not involved in this. YOU don't need to see the proof.

I never said I wanted proof. I said he shouldn't make any call for the proof until he talks to lawyers or such. I'm not the one claiming for the proof to be shown to the public. I'm saying if their is proof, she has a case, but saying you have proof but aren't using it for whatever reason does sound a bit iffy to me.

If he is responsible for what is being claimed, what reason is there for her to withhold information from the proper authorities since she has already made all of this public? She should definitely take proof she has to the governing bodies and sort it out. Public social media isn't the place though. Especially when just claiming you have proof is enough to get someone fired from every current job with no real blowback on her.
 

Miles X

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
710
What's your opinion on the #MeToo movement in general? Why do you feel that these stories had to become a twitter movement instead of something in the courts? Do you feel that everyone accused was innocent because it was all kept under wraps before these accusations?

I believe Chloe, and pretty much all other accounts of abuse from others. It is/will be interesting?(awful) the day somebody does lie about somebody though and their life is ruined. Lets not pretend there are people out there that aren't capable. I think some people that use the 'woah, innocent until guilty' line are perhaps just skepticle of the story, or it's related to somebody they don't want to see the worst in. Of course a lot are just sexist and think of women like crap.
 

Deleted member 8561

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Oct 26, 2017
11,284
I don't know why my opinion matters in this regard. The movement was a long time coming and there are thousands of other industries who should be scared and rightfully so. I hope their time will come swiftly.

As I've stated before, only one accuser in over 25 years of being in the industry doesn't fit the norm for rapists, abusers, or people of that ilk. They are more likely to be serial perpetrators of abuse. In my opinion right now, the evidence isn't there and I prefer to be cautious than calling for his head. Chloe has a lot of past demons that people aren't looking for. Chris doesn't appear to from what I've seen.

What exactly have you seen that you can enlighten us with?
 

PlanetSmasher

The Abominable Showman
Member
Oct 25, 2017
115,670
I don't know why my opinion matters in this regard. The movement was a long time coming and there are thousands of other industries who should be scared and rightfully so. I hope their time will come swiftly.

As I've stated before, only one accuser in over 25 years of being in the industry doesn't fit the norm for rapists, abusers, or people of that ilk. They are more likely to be serial perpetrators of abuse. In my opinion right now, the evidence isn't there and I prefer to be cautious than calling for his head. Chloe has a lot of past demons that people aren't looking for. Chris doesn't appear to from what I've seen.

This is not true in any way.

Also, Hardwick has a ton of past demons and he used to talk about them all the goddamn time.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I don't know why my opinion matters in this regard. The movement was a long time coming and there are thousands of other industries who should be scared and rightfully so. I hope their time will come swiftly.

As I've stated before, only one accuser in over 25 years of being in the industry doesn't fit the norm for rapists, abusers, or people of that ilk. They are more likely to be serial perpetrators of abuse. In my opinion right now, the evidence isn't there and I prefer to be cautious than calling for his head. Chloe has a lot of past demons that people aren't looking for. Chris doesn't appear to from what I've seen.
Where do you keep pulling all this rope from?
 

Alucrid

Chicken Photographer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
11,426
I don't know why my opinion matters in this regard. The movement was a long time coming and there are thousands of other industries who should be scared and rightfully so. I hope their time will come swiftly.

As I've stated before, only one accuser in over 25 years of being in the industry doesn't fit the norm for rapists, abusers, or people of that ilk. They are more likely to be serial perpetrators of abuse. In my opinion right now, the evidence isn't there and I prefer to be cautious than calling for his head. Chloe has a lot of past demons that people aren't looking for. Chris doesn't appear to from what I've seen.

i would think the cautious approach would be to not say anything instead of tipping your fedora to hardwick's defense
 

Leeness

Member
Oct 27, 2017
7,857
Chloe has a lot of past demons that people aren't looking for. Chris doesn't appear to from what I've seen.

I just want to interject a moment here, and as someone who is INCREDIBLY disappointed and really liked Chris:

It doesn't matter if a woman is a perfect, pure angel, or literally has 12,000 skeletons in her closet. She doesn't deserve to be emotionally and psychologically and sexually abused, and people should believe her account when she tells it.

This comes off as "well, she deserved it".
 

Deleted member 8561

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Oct 26, 2017
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Guys why are you being so hard on some random internet poster who is defending an accused abuser when he is just asking questions and mentioning that the abused wasn't an angel???
 

Feep

Lead Designer, Iridium Studios
Verified
Oct 25, 2017
4,602
I hope you realize that some people here actually DO know him or have connections in the industry.
I am personal friends with Chloe and if he has ever, ever had a bad interaction with her, I'm interested in hearing about it, because I enjoy breaking down how people lie.
 

Lord Brady

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
8,392
It's gross because she claims to have proof yet won't show it? Sorry I have a rational attitude when it comes to internet rage.

Also, sorry but her boyfriend isn't a source that is reliable.
There's no reason he can't be reliable. If there turns out to be no proof at all, he gets hurt by this as well. It also isn't cllear (at least what's been linked here) what he's seen proof of. It looks like he's just talking about the blacklisting portion of the story.
 

Sedef122

Member
Nov 7, 2017
391
User Warned: Personal attack.
I don't know why my opinion matters in this regard. The movement was a long time coming and there are thousands of other industries who should be scared and rightfully so. I hope their time will come swiftly.

As I've stated before, only one accuser in over 25 years of being in the industry doesn't fit the norm for rapists, abusers, or people of that ilk. They are more likely to be serial perpetrators of abuse. In my opinion right now, the evidence isn't there and I prefer to be cautious than calling for his head. Chloe has a lot of past demons that people aren't looking for. Chris doesn't appear to from what I've seen.



I never said I wanted proof. I said he shouldn't make any call for the proof until he talks to lawyers or such. I'm not the one claiming for the proof to be shown to the public. I'm saying if their is proof, she has a case, but saying you have proof but aren't using it for whatever reason does sound a bit iffy to me.

If he is responsible for what is being claimed, what reason is there for her to withhold information from the proper authorities since she has already made all of this public? She should definitely take proof she has to the governing bodies and sort it out. Public social media isn't the place though. Especially when just claiming you have proof is enough to get someone fired from every current job with no real blowback on her.

You victim blaming sack of dog shit. No politeness, no trying to reason with you. Fuck that. You are an utter prick and the fact you seem to think you are the reasonable one is fucking adorable.
 

Gamer @ Heart

Member
Oct 26, 2017
9,589
There's no reason he can't be reliable. If there turns out to be no proof at all, he gets hurt by this as well. It also isn't cllear (at least what's been linked here) what he's seen proof of. It looks like he's just talking about the blacklisting portion of the story.

Yeah, the black listing is pretty much the only part where others were involved so can be verified. Everything else is behind closed doors.
 

Zero315

Member
Oct 25, 2017
7,193
It's gross because she claims to have proof yet won't show it? Sorry I have a rational attitude when it comes to internet rage.

Also, sorry but her boyfriend isn't a source that is reliable.
It's gross because you're insinuating that she's lying for "internet fame", and her boyfriend is a well known actor who's putting his career on the line by backing her claims. Why do you automatically jump to her lying but believe the statement that Hardwick put out?

I never said I wanted proof. I said he shouldn't make any call for the proof until he talks to lawyers or such. I'm not the one claiming for the proof to be shown to the public. I'm saying if their is proof, she has a case, but saying you have proof but aren't using it for whatever reason does sound a bit iffy to me.

Literally you on the last page:

I want to see the proof since it supposedly exists.
 

Deleted member 8561

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It's gross because you're insinuating that she's lying for "internet fame", and her boyfriend is a well known actor who's putting his career on the line by backing her claims. Why do you automatically jump to her lying but believe the statement that Hardwick put out?



Literally you on the last page:

that doesn't count!
 

Miles X

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
710
You victim blaming sack of dog shit. No politeness, no trying to reason with you. Fuck that. You are an utter prick and the fact you seem to think you are the reasonable one is fucking adorable.

Sounds to me like he's theorising more than hardcore defending Hardwick? What is with yours and others completely aggressive over the top reactions to this guy?
 

Ketkat

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
4,727
I don't know why my opinion matters in this regard. The movement was a long time coming and there are thousands of other industries who should be scared and rightfully so. I hope their time will come swiftly.

As I've stated before, only one accuser in over 25 years of being in the industry doesn't fit the norm for rapists, abusers, or people of that ilk. They are more likely to be serial perpetrators of abuse. In my opinion right now, the evidence isn't there and I prefer to be cautious than calling for his head. Chloe has a lot of past demons that people aren't looking for. Chris doesn't appear to from what I've seen.



I never said I wanted proof. I said he shouldn't make any call for the proof until he talks to lawyers or such. I'm not the one claiming for the proof to be shown to the public. I'm saying if their is proof, she has a case, but saying you have proof but aren't using it for whatever reason does sound a bit iffy to me.

If he is responsible for what is being claimed, what reason is there for her to withhold information from the proper authorities since she has already made all of this public? She should definitely take proof she has to the governing bodies and sort it out. Public social media isn't the place though. Especially when just claiming you have proof is enough to get someone fired from every current job with no real blowback on her.

I wanted to know your opinion on the movement in general because this story is a part of the movement. The issue with the way that you're looking at this, is that you're essentially giving a model that abusers have to meet, and if they don't, then you don't believe the accusations against them in the slightest. If the #MeToo movement has taught you anything, it should be that someone being nice and decent on TV or in movies does not somehow make them a good person. They are people that were in positions of power, and had the means to cover up what they were doing for a long time.

I understand that its easier to believe accusations when multiple women come forward, but not everyone who is an abuser or commits sexual assault will go after multiple victims. And it's not like victims themselves are keeping up with what that person was doing during all of that time, so they can't be sure of that either. If someone only sexually assaults one victim, then they're still guilty and I hope that you can understand that. And its important that we show support to victims whether they're the only one or not.

And most importantly, there's a difference between wanting to wait and see more evidence, and actively defending the accused while trying to discredit the accuser in any way you can. There's no reason to come into a thread about a topic like this and start talking about how she wants to settle this out of court, or how she's lying about parts of her story, or anything like that. It is frustrating from a victim point of view that people have that wait and see attitude, just because the nature of these crimes typically mean that there isn't much evidence, but its understandable to have that point of view. Just please don't come in here and start calling the victims liars, and please consider the impact of what you're saying, because what's said in these threads might be intended to be aimed at a specific case in general, but they do have impact on other victims who read through these.

And I know he's banned, this is more for other people peeking in with similar views.
 
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Zero315

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Oct 25, 2017
7,193
Sounds to me like he's theorising more than hardcore defending Hardwick? What is with yours and others completely aggressive over the top reactions to this guy?
Their "theorizing" consisted of saying she was lying for "internet fame", saying her boyfriend who backs up her claims is also lying, that she has no career before or after him (except watching porn on youtube, that was important enough to point out), and trying to paint her past as being troubled. All while saying they've never heard a bad word against Hardwick... despite the fact that Hardwick has a very troubled past that he has talked about at length.
 

Surfinn

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
28,590
USA
I see the victim blaming/"just asking questions"/"where's the proof" defense force showed up.. A little later than usual at least.
I just want to interject a moment here, and as someone who is INCREDIBLY disappointed and really liked Chris:

It doesn't matter if a woman is a perfect, pure angel, or literally has 12,000 skeletons in her closet. She doesn't deserve to be emotionally and psychologically and sexually abused, and people should believe her account when she tells it.

This comes off as "well, she deserved it".
How is this so fucking difficult for people to understand. Thank you.

And he didn't deny any of the other abuses and is banking on the semantics of defining sexual abuse.

Fuck him.
 

Miles X

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
710
Their "theorizing" consisted of saying she was lying for "internet fame", saying her boyfriend who backs up her claims is also lying, that she has no career before or after him (except watching porn on youtube, that was important enough to point out), and trying to paint her past as being troubled. All while saying they've never heard a bad word against Hardwick... despite the fact that Hardwick has a very troubled past that he has talked about at length.

Yeah, I should have really read more than his last two posts to be fair. I guess him 'theorising' was this concern trolling.
 

SeanM

Member
Oct 26, 2017
2,432
USA
Zac Eubank (former showrunner of Geek & Sundry) is saying on Twitter that Chloe was in fact blacklisted.


 

Loakum

Member
Oct 27, 2017
472
Did ya'll see her photos? That poor girl was starving herself because of all that abuse. I believe Chloe! It's beyond sickening what Chris put her through. I had to stop reading the article due to how inhumane she was treated.
 

Deleted member 3542

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Oct 25, 2017
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I know more than you can imagine, thank you very much. I do recognize patterns and someone with 25 years of experience in the industry with not a single bad thing ever said about him is more believable than a single story.

I know you're banned and rightfully so but

1) Nobody gives a fuck how long you've been in the industry
2) You aren't the only person on this forum that works in the entertainment industry. But keep bringing it up, dude. Maybe if you tell everyone it will make you feel superior or something.
3) Experience doesn't matter don't victim blame. Industry guy here too, never heard anything bad about Hardwick either, but I believe her without question.
 

Surfinn

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
28,590
USA
Zac Eubank (former showrunner of Geek & Sundry) is saying on Twitter that Chloe was in fact blacklisted.



More corroboration. I keep forgetting about the blacklist stuff which is also incredibly fucked up
I know you're banned and rightfully so but

1) Nobody gives a fuck how long you've been in the industry
2) You aren't the only person on this forum that works in the entertainment industry. But keep bringing it up, dude. Maybe if you tell everyone it will make you feel superior or something.
3) Experience doesn't matter don't victim blame. Industry guy here too, never heard anything bad about Hardwick either, but I believe her without question.
I like this guy.gif
 
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Mj1108

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
113
User Banned (2 Weeks): Dismissing sexual assault and domestic abuse allegations.
If she claims to have evidence, she should present it. After the Takei thing, I'm a bit hesitant. Hardwick seems like a douche, but if you are admitting to having evidence it would be easy to prove. Most victims wish they had evidence.

Sums up my thoughts exactly. If she has proof, she needs to present it. It doesn't matter if she has 100 other people saying it's true - without the evidence it all "he said, she said".
 

PhoncipleBone

Community Resettler
Member
Oct 25, 2017
11,338
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Sums up my thoughts exactly. If she has proof, she needs to present it. It doesn't matter if she has 100 other people saying it's true - without the evidence it all "he said, she said".
And presenting it openly like that opens up a lot of legal issues. As others said, she will show it to those that need to see it.
And we have corroboration of the blacklisting stuff now, but I guess that isn't evidence enough for some people is it?
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Sums up my thoughts exactly. If she has proof, she needs to present it. It doesn't matter if she has 100 other people saying it's true - without the evidence it all "he said, she said".
100 people saying it's true is what you call witnesses.
Proof will be shown to the people who need to see it.

Also, a case being "he said, she said" doesn't suddenly make it a non-issue.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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In my mind its he said /she said especially since he is denying it. So now it comes to credibility. And as for proof if she has it she should share it if simply because she can say "he abused me" and he loses everything but if he says he didn't he won't magically get it back. I simply like more than someone's word when it comes to ruining another's career/ life.
The problem here is that you think the story was shared for the sake of ruining Chris' life. His name wasn't even mentioned in the post. This isn't about him, this is about her telling her story.