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So E3 is winding down. Regarding Xbox, do you feel that MS has changed course?
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Except Forza's, Halo's, Gears, XGP, EA Access, don't lock cloud saves behind a pay wall, their own streaming platform, don't lock their games progresses on other consoles and platforms, have most of their first parties on PC, release all their 1st parties on game pass, make superior hardware, Elite controller, controller for people with disabilities.
Besides that they are exactly alike.
Edit: Oh, I forgot freesync for consoles and Backwards compatible.
After reading this list Xbox is a great fucking platform. Jesus....
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So, so much this. I'm just so fed up with Sony arrogance (and their free games suuuuuck.) I'd be glad to back up a MS console next gen. Also yeah they really need that JP support, I like to play games from all regions, hated feeling that JP devs would rather support the Playstation.
For me, yes, absolutely. Here's why, in a nutshell:
1. They put their money where their mouth has been for 3 years. Five studio acquisitions is huge. That is clear proof they have changed course. It wasn't just more talk. It was serious investment.
2. I watched hours of Phil being interviewed this E3. I came away feeling a lot of trust in him and how things are being managed now.
3. Best hardware, by a significant margin. With so many great multiplats coming in the next couple years, that's hard to ignore.
4. The BC initiatives, especially the X-enhanced versions, have been great for a guy like me, who has some nostalgia for OG Xbox and early 360 years.
That was persuasive enough to me, I felt they'd really turned it around. I bought an X because of it. I've had my back turned to Xbox this whole gen, so that was a big change.
The only downside is that the next couple of years will be sparse, in terms of new exclusives. That's okay. Plenty of multiplats and BC stuff to keep me busy.
1. They put their money where their mouth has been for 3 years. Five studio acquisitions is huge. That is clear proof they have changed course. It wasn't just more talk. It was serious investment.
2. I watched hours of Phil being interviewed this E3. I came away feeling a lot of trust in him and how things are being managed now.
3. Best hardware, by a significant margin. With so many great multiplats coming in the next couple years, that's hard to ignore.
4. The BC initiatives, especially the X-enhanced versions, have been great for a guy like me, who has some nostalgia for OG Xbox and early 360 years.
That was persuasive enough to me, I felt they'd really turned it around. I bought an X because of it. I've had my back turned to Xbox this whole gen, so that was a big change.
The only downside is that the next couple of years will be sparse, in terms of new exclusives. That's okay. Plenty of multiplats and BC stuff to keep me busy.
Japanese developers often create games targeted at japanese and worldwide audiences. Of course they are going to support the brand that is much, much stronger worldwide. MS has a chance to make a ton of inroads in NA, possibly even match Playstation or exceed, but let's not forget that Sony's worst console effort and MS' best console effort sold about the same. Sony just has a much broader audience.
This is my exact feeling, too. Microsoft has developed a fine platform, but it's strange to me that everyone is touting this year as a major comeback/shakeup, especially when I feel like they've made more exciting in announcements in the past (i.e. BC, Xbox One X, etc.).
edit: And I feel like Phil gives great interviews every year, no? Everyone comes away feeling incredibly confident about his leadership. This was the sentiment just before Scalebound was canceled.
Xbox One is a bit too late into this gen to see a resurgence, but they're in it to win it with the NextBox.
They need new IP's instead of more of the same with Halo, Forza etc even if they are doing new things with the franchises. I thought they were going to focus more on that but so far it doesn't look like it.
Its cool if they make a handicap controller kudos to them outside of that however controller preference is subjective . Game pass, is that like PS now? The hardware between the 2 is very similar .
Sure. They seem to announce exciting things all the time, but this E3 you now see the roadmap and the future of Xbox and it's exciting. You are starting to see the big picture.
You said there's nothing different and I gave you a boatload of differences. Sony doesn't have an Elite controller and that's subjective but I bet Sony's fans would love that.
As for the first party game we just got SoT and they just bought 5 new studio, expanding the ones they currently own so those are coming. So I'm not sure why you say it doesn't look like they are not focusing on new IP's?
The hardware is simply not the same. Even hard-core Sony fans can probably agree that the X is superior in just about every way to the Pro. MS has become the best hardware devs on consoles. Sorry, but it's true.
IMO, there is no such road map, they acquired 2 studios that already make exclusive games for them. They acquired Ninja Theory who produce AA games (at the very least), acquired an indie developer who has only fully released 1 game, and created a studio that has never made a game.
So this literally simply means that 3 games that would have otherwise never been exclusive to their platform, is now exclusive.
We need to wait for MS to actually show they can foster anything before we say they've changed course...lets not forget they've acquired studios in the last decade that no longer exist.
Yeah, Spencer is a huge asset for the Xbox brand. He's great with PR, often says what gamers wanna hear and he isn't afraid to admit what still needs to change. He still needs to prove himself that he can deliver enough fresh and polished 1st party exclusives, but he did a great job with X1 and BC.
No, nothing has changed.
They will always remain a challenge Sony in NA, but Europe and Asia will never choose Xbox over PlayStation.
They will always remain a challenge Sony in NA, but Europe and Asia will never choose Xbox over PlayStation.
Ok I should of been more specific , to me they don't have any objectively good/positive differences that set them apart from the ps4 as of right now .
The two studio's they acquired made exclusive games for them sure. Let's not forget that PG is basically two studios now, Rare hiring like crazy with another new IP in the pipe. And why is Ninja Theory up until this point making AA games is a negative? All good games have to be AAA? You are being absurd.
You're opinion, but man, I couldn't disagree with you more. As a platform there are so many positive differences to me that it's overwhelming.
You do you man. No worries.
We have yet to see PG make anything outside of Forza Horizon. Also, Rare in the current state is nothing to applaud. Because there are certain people making it seem like the acquisition is going to bring us a AAA exclusive that is going to sell Xboxes, when most likely that won't be the case.
I'm not saying that, I'm just saying that Microsoft has no problems creating AA exclusives with 2nd party developers (see "Quantum Break" or "ReCore"), bringing in Ninja Theory IMO won't fix their 1st party exclusives problem (even though I'm glad they were acquired because it sounds like they were having financial troubles).
It's a matter of opinion of course, but what about free BC (well, in not all titles I have to add), GamePass, EA Access, pretty much unlimited save space. I think there are few. I am sure same could be said on the PS side, but as far as being PS4 owner only thing which comes to my mind is exclusive games. And they are, at best, few games per year, so even though they are very good, for me it really does not make much sense to play on PS4 aside from exclusives, while being on X. But yeah, that's just me.
I'd argue backwards compatibility, digital refunds and the LFG system are objectively good.
Bringing in only NT won't fix it, but that's not the case. Rare just released a hugely popular game, so no idea why can't we applaud them?
Because something being hugely popular does not equate to being good.
Its comes down to the exclusives for me , like right now I have choice to play Spiderman a long with a lot of multiplatform games coming out
Backwards compatibility is cool I wish they would let me play all the ps1 and 2 classics I downloaded on my ps3 on my ps4 but I have played those games .
So while I would like the feature its not that big of a deal to me , its still on my account.
I'm asking , because with PS now u can stream ps3 and ps4 games for a sub fee
This E3 also demonstrated why Microsoft is so boring to me now.
Sony's main 4 games were 2 new AAA IP, a sequel to a new AAA IP they launched only 5 years ago, and brand new AAA Spider-Man game which is slots into its own unique column. This comes shortly after them launching a new AAA IP from QD, and a re-imagining of one of their most popular IP that has given new life to that franchise. And we're only a year removed from them having launched another AAA IP which is an RPG. And that doesn't stop them from giving sequels to legacy franchises like Gran Turismo or remaking classics like Shadow of the Colossus. They're basically covering all angles.
Meanwhile, Halo, Gears, Forza. It's basically the same old shit. (Although I am excited about the new Halo). Even Crackdown feels like the same old shit because it's been around for so long. And now there are rumors of Fable, which again, is the same old shit. Microsoft needs to make some new AAA IP. That's not to say you abandon your old franchises, but goddamn introduce something fresh to round out your catalogue. The big games matter and you gotta have variety on that front.
Like I'm eagerly anticipating the result of these new studio acquisitions, but the fact is I know I'm gonna be waiting years at the minimum to see what they do produce. Really feels like we're stuck in a huge transitional period.
Sony's main 4 games were 2 new AAA IP, a sequel to a new AAA IP they launched only 5 years ago, and brand new AAA Spider-Man game which is slots into its own unique column. This comes shortly after them launching a new AAA IP from QD, and a re-imagining of one of their most popular IP that has given new life to that franchise. And we're only a year removed from them having launched another AAA IP which is an RPG. And that doesn't stop them from giving sequels to legacy franchises like Gran Turismo or remaking classics like Shadow of the Colossus. They're basically covering all angles.
Meanwhile, Halo, Gears, Forza. It's basically the same old shit. (Although I am excited about the new Halo). Even Crackdown feels like the same old shit because it's been around for so long. And now there are rumors of Fable, which again, is the same old shit. Microsoft needs to make some new AAA IP. That's not to say you abandon your old franchises, but goddamn introduce something fresh to round out your catalogue. The big games matter and you gotta have variety on that front.
Like I'm eagerly anticipating the result of these new studio acquisitions, but the fact is I know I'm gonna be waiting years at the minimum to see what they do produce. Really feels like we're stuck in a huge transitional period.
From all this it sounds like you haven't really been following what microsoft are doing. I have a ps3 and im raging that all the ps1 games i downloaded on it cant be played on my ps4. It cant be that hard to implement.
Gamepass isnt like psnow. U donwload the games to your hard drive rather than streaming. The games remain on the pass for however long is negotiated with publisher. The division was added and is on there until november. If you download a game on it, u can choose to purchase the game with a significant discount. It will also hve all 1st party titles on launch days. So it will have forza horizon 4, crackdown 3 etc.
My ps4 pro is now just for the sony 3rd person exclusives.
They are better positioned today than they have been since the heyday of the 360 (Bioshock/Gears/Mass Effect-era). However, that still doesn't mean much in the short-term and the long-term is a giant question mark.
In my mind they are firmly entrenched as the weakest platform holder and I don't see that changing.
I play all of my third party games on PC
In my mind they are firmly entrenched as the weakest platform holder and I don't see that changing.
I play all of my third party games on PC
In your opinion.
Plenty of people happen to love it. Not sure what else to tell ya.
While the Xbox One X is more powerful than the Pro. That should hardly be surprising given it came out a year later and cost considerably more. People also seem to forget how the Pro and X make up a small part of the market. It's mostly OG PS4 and XBox One that people still use and in that regard the PS4 is the stronger machine. While it's great that Xbox are 'back' they won't find it easy to close the gap on the lead Sony now have. Japan has zero interest in Xbox and Europe similarly is a PS stronghold. Microsoft just don't seem to care about games that suit European/Japanese tastes. More Gears/Halo, no matter how good they are, won't go about changing that. A well made Fable 4 on the other hand...
I don't care about features like Game Pass, EA Access, only games (you know, those features I mentioned are there because of games lol).
So unless something new and exciting comes out for the Xbox plattform during the next few years it doesn't matter how many features and dashboard updates that releases. Im all about the games and Xbox is not there for me.
So unless something new and exciting comes out for the Xbox plattform during the next few years it doesn't matter how many features and dashboard updates that releases. Im all about the games and Xbox is not there for me.
User Warned: Console warring.
BC?
If I wanted to play last generation game, I would play in a console of the last generation.
"Buy an xbox one to play xbox 360 games"
No one cares about retro, other than xbox one fanboy.
Buy console to play windows update?
HUAUHAUHAUHA
If I wanted to play last generation game, I would play in a console of the last generation.
"Buy an xbox one to play xbox 360 games"
No one cares about retro, other than xbox one fanboy.
Buy console to play windows update?
HUAUHAUHAUHA
That's fine.
Rare isn't going to make their platform any more or less attractive to the average consumer, so they are really a non-factor in the MS 1st party studio stable at this point.
You realize you automatically discount your own post with this shit right?
That rhetoric is old and now completely false.
"same old shit" repeated 3 times for games that are either reinventing or reinvigorating their formulas is about as lazy of an argument as you can get.
God of War is the "same old shit" would be an example of what you are doing. Come on now.
christ...
Considering they announced the same halo,gears and Forza again my opinion hasn't changed at all. You can buy all the studios you want but until there's some new (good) end product it's the same old story.
I don't know exactly how popular Sea of Thieves is exactly, but it is my most played game this year. In my opinion, it is a great game, a very unique experience to play with friends and even by yourself. I understand that some people might not like the type of game it is, but there is a lot of people that like it. I like it so much because, in all my gaming life, no other game has given me the exact same experience of messing around online with my crew and other crews. But again, we just differing opinions, just wanted to make the contrast, both are completely valid and I actually understand why some people might not like it.
The only thing is lacking for me is content. And if they keep adding things to do it could very well become one of their most important first party games for those that do like the game.
On topic, I think Microsoft has been changing course for the last couple of years. But with the last MS reshuffling Xbox seems to have gained a more important role in the overall company. Allowing Phil to take advantage of bigger budgets and support from the top leadership. It will be some years until we can really tell how much of an impact it will have. But the new studios and their best E3 in years truly give a positive outlook for the future of the brand.
Nope, it's the same shit every year since spencer took over, world exclusive trailers and more promises while this gen is almost over.
For someone like me who doesn't care about forza gears halo triumvirate and xbox bc there is still nothing convincing enough to give them my money.
I doubt much will change at least in the first half of next gen.
For someone like me who doesn't care about forza gears halo triumvirate and xbox bc there is still nothing convincing enough to give them my money.
I doubt much will change at least in the first half of next gen.
So you basically removed all context from my post to make this asinine argument? There's no reinvention or reinvigorating formulas going on with either Halo or Gears. Forza's the only that's done that, and it's now on the fourth bloody entry of that. God of War isn't the one game Sony has released. You have The Order, Bloodborne, Detroit, Horizon etc. that have released, and then Ghost and Death Stranding upcoming. Spider-Man feels new because we haven't had a huge AAA game based on him in a long time. Even The Last of Us is fresh in comparison to all those AAA games from Microsoft because it only began as an IP 5 years ago.
Literally, my entire post is that you need a variety of AAA games, and your argument is, "But Sony made God of War, and that's similar to how Halo, Forza, and Gears are?" And even that is inaccurate. Like, the fact is Microsoft is the same old shit when we're talking about AAA games. They've done nothing to change their game up and they feel stale as a result.
Coming out of E3, it's no different. All there is the promise of the future and a waiting game to see if they do manage to succeed in introducing new titles.
phil taking over xbox and more recently being given a direct line to the ceo of microsoft have been huge. the xbox one has done a total 180 in pretty much every way it possibly could but honestly this gen was set right when it started. 2013 was too significant to actually flip the table. I do feel like they're in a great place moving into the next gen though and all their work during this gen is going to really pay off for them. their recent hardware with the S and the X, their commitment to backwards compatibility, seeing some really nice enhancements for certain backwards compatible games, beefing up their first party studios, lowering the barrier between console and pc gaming, gamepass, cross platform friendly, etc.
if we envision a near future where they release the next gen equivalent to the xbox one x, with the same commitment to backwards compatability and enhancing old games (perhaps 4k across the board for xbox and xbox 360 games and a mix between native 4k and checkerboard 4k for xbox one games with framerate improvements where possible as well), with the same forward thinking vision as they have now in regards to gaming as a whole, and their first party efforts begin to start paying off with actual released software (with all the moves they've made the first half of the 2020's should see some interesting games from them) they're going to be in a good position
if we envision a near future where they release the next gen equivalent to the xbox one x, with the same commitment to backwards compatability and enhancing old games (perhaps 4k across the board for xbox and xbox 360 games and a mix between native 4k and checkerboard 4k for xbox one games with framerate improvements where possible as well), with the same forward thinking vision as they have now in regards to gaming as a whole, and their first party efforts begin to start paying off with actual released software (with all the moves they've made the first half of the 2020's should see some interesting games from them) they're going to be in a good position
Assuming that PS5/Next Xbox are launching in 2020, that's 2 years away. Let's say a gen is, on average, 8 years. So first half of next gen would be 2024. Let's assume 343, The Coalition, Undead Labs and Turn 10 stay on their main franchises with no new IP.
You don't think we'll see the new games/IPs from Playground, Ninja Theory, Rare, The Initiative and Compulsion by 2024?
That's the thing tho , take away the multiplatform games and you still have Spider-Man , Last of Us, Ghost of Tsushima, God of War, Bloodbourne , Horizon
When Xbox can get to this point I will say they are in a better position ,gamepass does seem cool though
I'm definitely feeling more optimistic about Xbox after this E3 than I have in about a decade. They gave strong signals that they're changing course after nearly ten years of bad decisions (I was a 360 owner who soured on the brand starting with their Kinect/Avatar push in '09). However, they also seemed like they were trying to course-correct in 2014 as well, but most of the games they announced either were canceled or were disappointing. So we'll see if they're actually able to pull it off this time. I'm just happy that I don't have to have an Xbox to play their games, since I have a PC, heh heh.
I'm also happy that there seems to be some competition between MS and Sony on the horizon. I want to see big moves! I want to see Sony pressured into building in PS2 backwards compatibility on the PS4! (I have 80 PS2 disks that I don't want to have to boot up my PS3 to play, lol).
EDIT: Sony is still leagues ahead in first party development, and will be for years to come. Microsoft buying and forming all of these studios is something that should have happened many years ago.
I'm also happy that there seems to be some competition between MS and Sony on the horizon. I want to see big moves! I want to see Sony pressured into building in PS2 backwards compatibility on the PS4! (I have 80 PS2 disks that I don't want to have to boot up my PS3 to play, lol).
EDIT: Sony is still leagues ahead in first party development, and will be for years to come. Microsoft buying and forming all of these studios is something that should have happened many years ago.
So much salt here..
Dont forget that there's also a high chance the next Xbox will also play Xbox one games with some enhancements to boot. By the time the next Xbox comes out, you will have access to 4 generations of gaming. No one can anticipate or even believe Sony will do the same.
Just an educated factual post.
Fwiw, I totalled the first page's responses.
Yes: 22 (61%)
No: 4 (11%)
We'll see (wait to see games/next gen): 10 (28%)
Very positive response. 61% yes.
Yes: 22 (61%)
No: 4 (11%)
We'll see (wait to see games/next gen): 10 (28%)
Very positive response. 61% yes.
Cautiously optimistic, but won't buy another Xbox until they show me, not tell me about all the great games they'll have.
XB1 burnt me too much for me to jump straight back in. If my youngster brother didn't want it, it wouldn't have even been turned on in like 3 years.
XB1 burnt me too much for me to jump straight back in. If my youngster brother didn't want it, it wouldn't have even been turned on in like 3 years.