Hmmm the A1 would be the same size as the other two? If not, go bigger on the 900F
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Television Displays and Technology Thread: The ERA of OLED is Now
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Hmmm the A1 would be the same size as the other two? If not, go bigger on the 900F
Even if the majority of the usage will be gaming? Reading through different posts on burn in and image retention over at AVS make me hesitant. That's what's really holding me back on pulling the trigger with this set. Otherwise I'm leaning towards the 930E I think.
I would like to go bigger, but need to stick in the 55" range.
The X930E is an amazing 4K HDR gaming television. The brightness is insane and the HDR is really really impressive. No burn in concerns, good 4k input lag, no banding and a BFI option
Go 930E and don't look back. Windows plus burn in concerns = ideal LED purchase.
Trying to decide between the Samsung Q7FN, Q8FN, or the Sony X900F, all 55". Opinions on that? I do mostly gaming (X1X) and netflix watching, with a few movies here and there.
I get an employee discount on the Sammy's. Decisions, decisions. Halp
I get an employee discount on the Sammy's. Decisions, decisions. Halp
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Currently I'm looking at 3 options which all seem good, but I have no idea which is the better of the 3.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07CFYMH38/ref=twister_B07CQC2RCJ?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&tag=av0c-21
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Panasonic-...1529162684&sr=1-16&keywords=4k+tv&tag=av0c-21
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-MU...722&sr=1-5&keywords=4k+tv+samsung&tag=av0c-21
Thank goodness I found this thread, cause I had thought of making a new one in EtCetera, but see there's no need for that.
I'm on the lookout for a television. Nothing state-of-the-art, and only just mid-budget. I want it to have true 4K and real HDR technology really, for my PS4 Pro games and 4K Blu-ray movies. That's it.
I found this Samsung 58" UE58MU6125. It seems to be part of a 6000-series, but I don't know how old it is. I have found it hard to find reviews of it on Google, as it mostly finds places to buy it.
Can anyone tell me anything about this television, and if it will fulfill my needs?
The one I have had for the past decade is a Samsung UE46B8050XW:
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Just read this rtings.com review and it seems to be bad at motion, and it can't produce bright HDR highlights. Also have bad viewing angles.
I'm on the lookout for a television. Nothing state-of-the-art, and only just mid-budget. I want it to have true 4K and real HDR technology really, for my PS4 Pro games and 4K Blu-ray movies. That's it.
I found this Samsung 58" UE58MU6125. It seems to be part of a 6000-series, but I don't know how old it is. I have found it hard to find reviews of it on Google, as it mostly finds places to buy it.
Can anyone tell me anything about this television, and if it will fulfill my needs?
The one I have had for the past decade is a Samsung UE46B8050XW:
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Just read this rtings.com review and it seems to be bad at motion, and it can't produce bright HDR highlights. Also have bad viewing angles.
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It's been a while. If you are going to be concerned about gaming on an OLED don't buy one, but rest assured the majority of OLED buyers don't have any issues with burn-in. I've been gaming on my 2016 B6 for over 2 years now, day in and day out and it is still in A1 condition.
Hey all. I'm looking for a suggestion for a 75 inch tv that is 4k and has low input lag, but also good scaling for systems like Switch. Would also like it to play nice with Xbox One X and PS4 pro. Hoping to stay under 3k, any suggestions?
So I auditioned a bunch of speakers today. Tried to keep it to tower fronts and centers, to be apples to apples. The best buy Magnolia rep was (surprisingly) incredibly helpful. We listened to both Avatar (the movie) and some Pink Floyd.
I avoided MLs and B&Ws because I really don't want to spend that much.
Overall, out of the speakers I listened to (Klipsch references, Definitive, Sony, ELAC, Bose, Pioneer and Sonos) the ELAC Debut 2.0s stood out BIGTIME. The Definitive BP9020 were more oomphy with music but the magnolia rep was telling me that's to be expected because they have 8" woofers in them.
The ELACs sounded so good, and crisp. Without even having a sub or surrounds on, I felt like I was in Pandora. The rep said he was pretty new to ELAC and he agreed they sounded the best. The entire 5.1 setup is $2000 which I'm totally comfortable with.
I'll keep doing research, auditioning, etc but man they blew me away.
I avoided MLs and B&Ws because I really don't want to spend that much.
Overall, out of the speakers I listened to (Klipsch references, Definitive, Sony, ELAC, Bose, Pioneer and Sonos) the ELAC Debut 2.0s stood out BIGTIME. The Definitive BP9020 were more oomphy with music but the magnolia rep was telling me that's to be expected because they have 8" woofers in them.
The ELACs sounded so good, and crisp. Without even having a sub or surrounds on, I felt like I was in Pandora. The rep said he was pretty new to ELAC and he agreed they sounded the best. The entire 5.1 setup is $2000 which I'm totally comfortable with.
I'll keep doing research, auditioning, etc but man they blew me away.
Anyone with an LG OLED (2016) use HDR bright for tv or movies? If so, what settings if you adjusted them?
Woo! Focusing on the fronts really let you listen to the character of each brand / line, and find out what you like. Sounds like he really did his jo-
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Yeah, as others have said, the ELAC lineup is pretty great value. More importantly, you got to hear a bunch of different stuff, which is the first big step.
Sounds like Magnolia just picked ELAC up! I'm biased, because I love mine... but I bet they'll be a big hit at those shops. Those DefTechs were always a neat idea. The built-in powered subs made them monsters for the money.
Finally got around to watching The Last Jedi on 4K Blu DV, and I gotta say, what a pile of shit transfer! Not even including the grey space scenes, there is only a handful of nice shots, inc Snokes throne room, and a couple of others that aren't washed out! I mean you can clearly see the impact/contrast difference in scenes where there isn't much in the way of blacks, but because the base is 0 black, it brings out everything, it's just so disappointing......
To drive the point home, I played Black Ops 3 in SDR, and it just blew TLJ away in quality and impact! Crazy.
To drive the point home, I played Black Ops 3 in SDR, and it just blew TLJ away in quality and impact! Crazy.
Lol, he actually warned me that I wasn't going to be impressed by Bose or Sonos after hearing the others (and I wasn't) but he just wanted me to hear everything to get a range
Yeah, that's really strange since the A1 has the same chip as the A8 and the A1 was one of the sets that already got updated for HLG HDR support. You'd think the broadcast or the iPlayer app would have been updated to include the set for HLG.
They're pretty much identical except for the stand design.
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Agree. I actually watched a 1080p blu-ray for the first time since getting my OLED months ago. Up until that point I had only watched UHD movies on my UP970. There IS a noticeable quality difference between UHD blu and regular blu, but I was really surprised at how well the 1080p film looked.
Well, as a new X900F owner I can tell you the relative perks and problems of that.
- Really superb HDR max brightness, SDR brightness is not best in class, but it's top 10. It's really good.
- Local dimming works fine.
- Per input settings, 4K latency is great
- Google Play Support: Sure, there is youtube and Netflix there by default, but want VLC, Kodi, etc? Go for it. They work great, and there's an ethernet port if you don't want to WiFi it.
- Patched to support Dolby Vision now, I think?
- Really pairs well with the X9000F soundbar, if you like that. (Interestingly you can HDMI CEC pair with bluetooth speakers!)
Compromises:
- I'm told UI is rather slow, though looking at RTINGS basically it's LG and then everyone else. It's miles faster than my 2014 Sony was at launch, I guess.
- 40ms latency on 1080p, though that's a bit more than 1 frame at 60hz, so nothing noticeable to me.
- Only HDMI ports 2 and 3 are full bandwidth, and one of those is ARC. This is weird, though in practice not a big deal because I don't have 3+ 4:4:4 devices.
Ultimately, if you can get a significant discount on the Q7FN or Q8FN, those are probably the direction you should go, because I don't think there is a thousand dollar price difference to be found in quality or features. But as Sony TVs go - and for me this was almost 50% cheaper than the OLED models - modern ARC support is nearly perfect, Google Play saved me from using external boxes and the PS4 Pro experience has been fantastic. Hell, there's a Netflix button right on the remote - usually, we ignore that stuff, but for my family it's very useful.
I don't think the jump from HD to UHD is anywhere near as big as SD to HD was back in the day.
It's not. But for someone who has been exclusively watching UHD discs since I got my OLED, I immediately noticed it.
I've not even seen a UHD BR but even now when I'm watching HD discs I think it looks blurry.
Are you looking for a 65"TV that size? You can get a 55" C8 for $1550
https://slickdeals.net/f/11708767-6...9-55-oled55c8p-1549-until-6-30pm-edt-free-s-h
First of all, thank you for your answer. It sounds like price is the main factor in recommending me the Samsungs, but you really really enjoy the Sony.
For me, peak brightness (as I understand it) is really important for HDR, and Sony has just about every manufacturer beat in that category; I'll have to verify that. Rtings gives the nod to the 900F for overall picture quality, but the Q7 is recommended for overall color gamut in every way.
It's really down to the Q7FN and 900F for me now, so tha is for your input. Both the 900f and Q7 are 1300 for me right now. Damn near a coin toss at this point.
I just don't think there's a substantial advantage. Maybe you like the Sony X900F the most, but I can tell you right now I don't notice, say, $500 vs the X900E. Or the Q7FN.
Now, if price is the same, I think your priority is really "what is the most comfortable for me to use" or "what makes my viewing experience easier?"
What I love about the X900F in this regard:
- Can switch inputs immediately when the screen turns on. Don't have to wait for the full bootup process.
- X9000F soundbar using HDMI CEC + Arc smoothly turns on at the same time, no lag on waiting to change the volume.
- Super easy to install Google Play apps. Had VLC and Kodi running in minutes, pretty much unplugged my Mac Mini on the spot because now my family can access those apps using only the TV's own remote control (which also controls soundbar volume thanks to ARC).
- Big white Netflix button on the remote lets you skip all menu stuff and jump straight to that.
- Supports bluetooth keyboard + mouse. I literally just turned them on, sync worked without diving deep into menus. Rarely need to use them but some apps, like Kodi, do have some weird menus where I'm not sure if a button on the TV remote will right click or just straight up exit. So it's there if you want it.
- Per input picture settings and a clearly labelled game mode. Just had to set my PS4Pro input to Game Mode, max the brightness, and that's basically it. Follow RTINGS for more detail, of course, but I didn't have to relabel each input to get special settings. (That being said, you can write custom labels per input, which is useful to tell somebody what HDMI to switch to)
- No ads. Apparently the Samsungs have those built into the UI?
- Minor point, but none of the inputs are recessed. In some setups it's just a lot harder to plug things in when there is no clear route "out". I see the Q7 (not the Q8?) has the breakout box though, which to me is the best possible solution. Samsung basically has the only "wall portrait" TV because the breakout box allows the TV itself to be completely flat.
So I have a KS8000. Just updated to firmware 1220 but no changes are seen in HDR switching. Do I need to update to 1220.6 from the website?
See if you can find an X930E on clearance. Watch Vincent Teoh's shootout on YouTube too. 930e came out on top of the 900e and 900f with respect to local dimming, clouding/haloing, peak brightness and HDR.
Only thing it is lacking is the X-motion clarity feature on the 900f.
What a bummer! I was thinking about buying the movie, but this doesn't sound good. It's such a shame that a lot of movies have shit transfers.
I have a really shitty monitor at work and have decided as I stare at it all day I will just bring my own device.
Any recommendations for high res versatile non-gaming monitor?
Any recommendations for high res versatile non-gaming monitor?
Not helpful with your specific question, but try telling them it's giving you eyestrain and headaches. They might pony up to get you something better
Proper local dimming is so important. Man.
Playing God of War on my LG with really bad 6 zone dimming was so distracting. The dark scenes in Kratos' house at the beginning were horrible as it clearly showed those 6 zones. Had to turn it of but then its more like dark grey.
Guess I'll have to live with it because I dont have the budget for a better one atm :-(
But for the next TV I'll definitely buy one with better dimming tech. Its a shame because everything else looks amazing on the TV.
Playing God of War on my LG with really bad 6 zone dimming was so distracting. The dark scenes in Kratos' house at the beginning were horrible as it clearly showed those 6 zones. Had to turn it of but then its more like dark grey.
Guess I'll have to live with it because I dont have the budget for a better one atm :-(
But for the next TV I'll definitely buy one with better dimming tech. Its a shame because everything else looks amazing on the TV.
You are right, it absolutely isnt. I would say that hdr>uhd.
After 9 solid years, I am ready to retire my Panny VT50 Plasma. After growing accustomed to Plasmas black levels, I think OLED is the way to go for me. I am being offered a great deal on a 65" LG C7 OLED. I have looked at a bunch of reviews and I love it's picture quality. But my concern is with any possible temporary burn-in. I mainly use my TV for gaming, movies(Bluray and Netflix), CNN( I watch about 2 hours a day) and sports. So you can see why I am concerned with burn-in.
My question is how worried should I be? Should I not pull the trigger on getting the C7? What measures can I take in picture settings to avoid any permanent burn-in?
Note: I am not concerned with any temporary image retention since I have learned to accept that after years of seeing it in my Plasma.
My question is how worried should I be? Should I not pull the trigger on getting the C7? What measures can I take in picture settings to avoid any permanent burn-in?
Note: I am not concerned with any temporary image retention since I have learned to accept that after years of seeing it in my Plasma.
Not trying to be redundant. But in case you have not seen this, it should give you a decent idea.
https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/real-life-oled-burn-in-test
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Anecdotally speaking, i've found that Plasma's are more likely to burn-in than OLED. So if you have not experienced any burn-in/retention from Plasma, the OLED will perform better in this regard in my personal experience.
However, what the RTING burn-in test seems to indicate is that OLED burn-in occurs with cumulative use. At around the 600-700 hour mark, the RTING logo became burned in on the OLED.
With your use case, the pattern established by RTING would dictate that burn-in is not a matter of if, but when. It could be after 1, 2, 3 or hell even 4 years of use. Anywhere from 700-3000 hours of CNN time. The 2018 models might be a better buy for you because they come with a logo dimming feature, and a larger red subpixel which is supposed to make it less prone to red/orange static image burn-in. The former does mess with the picture somewhat but you can toggle it on/off for watching CNN?
On a seperate note, did you not experience any burn-in with your Plasma after 9 years of use? That's surely over 5000 hours of use for CNN.
None what so ever. I could wait for the 2018 model, but I can basically get the B7( incorrectly said it was a C7 on my original post) pretty much for free after I sell my Plasma.
It was exceedingly difficult to get permanent burn-in on a plasma. Like you'd have to go out of your way to do it.
https://hdguru.com/plasma-tv-burn-in-fact-or-myth/
https://hdguru.com/plasma-tv-burn-in-fact-or-myth/
Bullshit. My Panasonic ST30 still has the Destiny HUD burned in to the bottom left corner, and I haven't played that game in nearly 2 years. I also have Paragon ability diamonds burned in on the lower right, and that game doesn't even exist anymore.
It's super easy to burn in to both plasma and OLED. If you tend to play a single game for hours on end, you'll burn in elements of the HUD in as matter of weeks.
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Wow yeah, my feeling is that you don't have to worry any more or less about burn-in on the OLED versus your Plasma.
Additionally, if you are in the US i recommend coupling your OLED purchase with the Best Buy warranty, that does indeed cover burn-in as it's still your main concern. That should cover it for 5 years.
Lastly, if you get the chance, i would really sample both LCD and OLED side by side to see which one you like more. As this thread indicates, there are users who prefer LCD, and those that prefer OLED.
The C7 is a kickass display though, i've got it. Coming from a Plasma, you are going to be shook at how much brighter sets today can get. The OLED will be eye searing compared to the Plasma, and an LCD will be blinding lol.
I'm looking at the Rtings Burn In test that was linked here, it seems like they really went out of their way to get permanent burn-in on the LG OLEDs. I would never have my set on maximum brightness and turned on constantly for weeks.
If I use the OLED for a few hours a day of mixed use( CNN, Netflix and PS4) and in normal brightness settings, is permanent burn-in inevitable?
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