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Officials: Vietnamese man dies in ICE custody in Arizona
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User banned (1 week): whataboutism and thread derailing
He entered the U.S. as a legal permanent resident but was being deported because of a criminal conviction for aggravated assault.
User banned (Permanent): whataboutism, history of similar infractions
Only if they get 4 more years.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2016/07/07/us-deaths-immigration-detention
"Newly released United States government records summarizing investigations of the deaths of 18 migrants in the custody of US immigration authorities support a conclusion that subpar care contributed to at least seven of the deaths, Human Rights Watch said today."
"In 2009, the Obama administration promised major immigration detention reforms, including more centralized oversight and improved health care," said Clara Long, US researcher at Human Rights Watch. "But these death reviews show that system-wide problems remain, including a failure to prevent or fix substandard medical care that literally kills people."
The death reviews, released by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) in June 2016, cover 18 of the 31 deaths of detainees that the agency acknowledges have occurred since May 2012. ICE has not released its reviews of the other 13 deaths in that time period."
I didn't realise America had the death penalty for aggravated assault.
ICE and their "just following orders" staff are still trash tier.
Nobody deserves to die.
But your chances of survival and thriving decrease dramatically with an aggravated assault charge, immigrant or not, in the US or in another country.
This ignores the geographical reality of the immigrants the united states is most likely to receive on a basic logical level to make some kind of a point about racism?
Not a lot of brits coming up from south america through mexico these days, for some reason.
And if you are white.
Because that is the crux of the matter here, lets be honest and not sugar coat anything.
And ? That means it ok or is there another point you are trying to make?
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For some people that seems ok, just like it seems ok to them to separate children from their parents who seek asylum.
Why does this matter? A white person facing an aggrevated assault charge is certainly less likely to be an immigrant in the united states, but just as likely to go to prison, where i'm sure chances of survival and healthy living are lowered vs the general population.
A white person facing an aggravated assault charge in vietnam would fare better?
It's not really relevant to the thread unless you think that aggravated assault warrants an incarcerated death sentence.
Same as a cop killing someone and people start pulling out previous records?
Not really, unless you're saying he deserved to die because he's a criminal. Would be easier for you if you just went out and said that, actually.
lol at this bullshit straw-man argument of yours
So you were just going to drive by post, unless anyone called you out.
Then your response is, "But I didn't say it was okay"
Because your original post sure as hell didn't read like, "Well we don't know the circumstances of his death, so lets not try to bad bout ICE. Lets all be friends, okay?
LOL
that ICE was just doing their jobs and we don't know what his illness was.
They where just being good Americans guys, just following orders.
I realize you're not making a good faith or honest argument, but surely you can understand that someone who engages in behavior described as:
"Aggravated assault is an assault which criminal laws punish more severely due to its seriousness. Factors which raise an assault to an aggravated assault typically include the use of a weapon, the status of the victim, the intent of the perpetrator, and the degree of injury caused."
Has made some choices that make their opportunities to thrive and survive in their life lesser than the average law abiding person.
And you can understand how someone might have the opinion that someone convicted of a violent crime like this might have been able to make choices that avoided such a charge, and that the vast majority of the population indeed does make such choices to avoid such a charge.
If someone literally dies in their custody they are, by definition, not doing their jobs.
Lmfao a guy died in their custody and they are doing their jobs?
Do you know that spitting on someone constitutes aggravated assault? No, I'm sure you don't.
Don't try to play this little bullshit game of yours.
Oh, he had a rap sheet no wonder the cops needed to shoot him dead.
They also were not doing their jobs with the 30+ immigrants that died in detention under the obama admin, despite claims that that administration would focus on improving medical treatment and conditions.
Lmfao Not sure why you or others are equating putting out more information to why he was in custody in the first place to "gee wiz he sure deserved it!", which I'm not saying at all.
he actually died at Banner Casa Grande Medical Center, where he was hospitalized for a week.
ICE has been shit for quite a few years, yes. It's been made even worse now with the current administration turning it into a bargain-bin gestapo.
The article still considered him to be under ICE custody. He was originally found unresponsive at the detention center.
The "What about Obama tho" arrived really early this time. Like, REALLY early. Scraping the bottom of the barrel to defend ICE these days...
Not sure why you are responding to his fucking death in custody with the reason for his arrest. The hell does that have to do with him being dead?
Not sure why you are responding to his fucking death in custody with the reason for his arrest. The hell does that have to do with him being dead?
You're factually incorrect, and used an example that is commonly used to define a distinction between simple assault and aggravated assault.
"As its name implies, the charge of aggravated assault must be more than just scaring or threatening someone with physical harm. For example, spitting on someone is offensive contact, though it may not be physically harmful, as is pretending to punch someone. Both are examples of simple assault.
For aggravated assault, the typical elements are:
- An intent to create an apprehension in another person;
- An act that would likely result in the application of force with a deadly weapon or with some other means of force likely to cause serious bodily injury; and
- The present ability to cause the application of force that would cause serious bodily injury."
It's terrible that you are victim blaming. The man served his sentence, paid his debt to society, and while awaiting deportation died under ICE custody.
Very terrible to blame the victim.
OBAMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!
WHEN WILL HE PAY!!!!
It's funny they only crawl out of the their holes when they think they have an opportunity to play the,"Lets wait for more details.", "He was a criminal.", "He did something illegal!" Card.
Attacking the dead guy to defend a corrupt organization. Really showing the colors.
Attacking the dead guy to defend a corrupt organization. Really showing the colors.
They are unreal man.
Instantly from "He was no angel" to Whataboutism. Like clockwork these assholes. Its surreal.
So your only response to this is that i invoked the name of the previous administration, so my point is void?
My take is that the previous administration had 8 years to attempt to change the laws in place but chose to ignore them instead.
Now an administration comes along that enforces the existing laws and now its time to get up in arms? Maybe if the laws had been changed rather than assuming that well we will stay in power and can continue to ignore the laws we don't like, things would be better.
Fucking losers just waiting at their fucking keyboard to defend the honor of ICE and Trump.
Makes me sick.
Responding to a factual inaccuracy posted by another poster is irrelevant to the thread?
I don't think anyone in this thread is saying his death was deserved, I'm surely not. I was just interested to find out why he was being detained in the first place and figured it was worthy of note.
Arguing semantics about what constitutes aggravated assault in a thread about a deportee who died under ICE custody is irrelevant, yes.