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nel e nel

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http://me.ign.com/en/ps4/149274/news/the-last-of-us-has-sold-over-17-million-copies

2001 Xbox Halo: Combat Evolved 5.5 million [2]
2004 Xbox Halo 2 8+ million [3]
2007 Xbox 360 Halo 3 12.14 million*
2009 Xbox 360 Halo Wars 2.62 million*
2009 Xbox 360 Halo 3: ODST 6.35 million *
2010 Xbox 360 Halo: Reach 9.87 million*
2011 Xbox 360 Halo: Combat Evolved Anniversary 2.43 million *
2012 Xbox 360 Halo 4 9.75 million*
2014 Xbox One Halo: The Master Chief Collection 3.13 million*
2015 Xbox One Halo 5: Guardians 5+ million[4]

Damn, even taking into consideration that it's a cross-gen title that had several different bundles with hardware, that is still impressive.
 

patapon

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Dec 7, 2017
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TloU part 2 now has 10 million views without any ads :O

GoT nearly 7.1 million views
Death Stranding 6.6 million views.

Extremely impressive figures for 8-10 minutes gameplay videos. So happy new IPs are getting such views :D
 

Cranster

Prophet of Truth
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Oct 25, 2017
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It may be marketing? I know TLOU has sold more than Halo at its peak and so did Gran Turismo 3 but Halo 3 felt much bigger in the USA at least. It had every major brand like Doritos and Mountain Dew advertising for them with commercials everywhere. The media was bombarding us with it.

Heck even Uncharted 4 will pass Halo 3 and that's the only game Sony has done where I felt it came close to Microsoft in marketing but still nothing compared to Halo 3's marketing.
Keep in mind that Tlou was ported to a new console within a couple years of it's original release. Halo 3 was ported 7 years after it's originsl release with MCC, but the collection itself had so many problems that it damaged to brand at the time.
 

ABIC

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Nov 19, 2017
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"TLoU is bigger than Halo" means just that, it's bigger than it currently and it will keep growing with the second game, you bring in whole franchise sales which no one is talking about, honestly it seems like you're in denial, it's a simple statement.

For the last time, because you have great difficulty grasping statements..

Your statement compared franchises
It did not compare products

The fact that we have discovered now that Uncharted as an individual products have sold better than any individual Halo is coincidental and irrelevant to your poor argument previously. Immediately deflecting to me being in "denial" is a very poor move to shield your inadequacies, I shall not spend more time on you.



Back to the Youtube trailers thing. I find it fascinating how every social media platform are each reporting different "winners". This is a fascinating development and I wonder how much of it is just that they don't have good clean data or comprehensive data.
 

jstevenson

Developer at Insomniac Games
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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm pretty pleased with the combined 7.3 million combined views of the Spider-Man showcase and demo footage, not even including all the crazy views on some of the off-screen stuff
 

patapon

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I'm pretty pleased with the combined 7.3 million combined views of the Spider-Man showcase and demo footage, not even including all the crazy views on some of the off-screen stuff

Congrats Sir :D

I just wanted to say I am completely blown away how Spider-Man looks. It's the best looking city I have ever seen in a game to date and that draw distance is just WOW :O
 

batosaims

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Apr 16, 2018
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This is like bragging that Xbox had the most viewed stream on Twitch ever

The Last of Us 2 has a good chance of being the highest selling exclusive first party game ever. That title is probably Halo's or Gran Turismo's atm? 14-15m sales im guessing. TLOU2 can top that if it's good and it seems like Naughty Dog has another masterpiece on their hands going by their latest showing.

I don't think so, TLOU sold 17 million but there was also 3 versions of the game plus it was given away with the PS4 back in 2014. Good numbers but its not the kind of game that'll ever reach high numbers without having multiple versions of the game released and bundled with consoles.
 

batosaims

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Keep in mind that Tlou was ported to a new console within a couple years of it's original release. Halo 3 was ported 7 years after it's originsl release with MCC, but the collection itself had so many problems that it damaged to brand at the time.

That and it was given away with the second model of the PS4, there was also a GOTY edition that came out on the PS3.
 

Taker34

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm pretty pleased with the combined 7.3 million combined views of the Spider-Man showcase and demo footage, not even including all the crazy views on some of the off-screen stuff
You folks all deserved it. What a great looking game. I personally have no interest in super hero stuff at all, never even watched one of those movies after like Spider-Man 1 or 2 but I'm definitely getting this game day one.
 

batosaims

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And Halo.number are with bundle too... Uncharted is too now more popular than Halo. We will have updated number too I hope one day.

The difference is that the XBO was never selling anywhere near the rate that the PS4 Slim sold so that's moot. And it's not as popular or anywhere close, unless there's a multi-million dollar tournament for Uncharted, tons of books and merchandise there not even in the same ball park

It's like arguing that Uncharted is more popular than Star Wars because it sold more than the Force Unleashed. Halo and Star Wars are far more than video games, Uncharted is not.
 

chris 1515

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Oct 27, 2017
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The difference is that the XBO was never selling anywhere near the rate that the PS4 Slim sold so that's moot. And it's not as popular or anywhere close, unless there's a multi-million dollar tournament for Uncharted, tons of books and merchandise there not even in the same ball park

It's like arguing that Uncharted is more popular than Star Wars because it sold more than the Force Unleashed. Halo and Star Wars are far more than video games, Uncharted is not.

We don't speak about books or other things but unit sold and currently Halo sold less than TLOU or Uncharted probably less than God of War and maybe less than Horizon Zero Dawn.
 

immsun

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Jan 24, 2018
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Shows quality always wins.

Even though MS won the conference at E3,Sony got the sales with the big 4 showing.

Lets see e3 2019 with MS's party titles now that they have acquired decent studios except NT which is A tier.
 

batosaims

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We don't speak about books or other things but unit sold and currently Halo sold less than TLOU or Uncharted probably less than God of War and maybe less than Horizon Zero Dawn.

That's the thing though, you're basically arguing that one series is more popular than the other when it isn't. Halo also might of sold fewer units but it also had 16 million players at its peak and has a higher player count than every game you listed combined.

There are many metrics to measure popularity and Halo is more popular in nearly every one.

Well because Uncharted doesn't have book or other thing either ways it'll sold more of that too.
Because Uncharted doesn't have an interesting universe or setting or interesting lore. It solely exist as in game form and would never be able to transition into other media or even other game genres ei Halo transitioning into an RTS/Top down shooter etc
 

chris 1515

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That's the thing though, you're basically arguing that one series is more popular than the other when it isn't. Halo also might of sold fewer units but it also had 16 million players at its peak and has a higher player count than every game you listed combined.

There are many metrics to measure popularity and Halo is more popular in nearly every one.

Because Uncharted doesn't have an interesting universe or setting or interesting lore. It solely exist as in game form and would never be able to transition into other media or even other game genres ei Halo transitioning into an RTS/Top down shooter etc

Currently Halo 5 sold less than the franchise I talk about and Halo Infinite trailer generate less interest than TLOU 2 trailer and Ghost of Tsuhima and Death Stranding trailer.
 

batosaims

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Currently Halo 5 sold less than the franchise I talk about and Halo Infinite trailer generate less interest than TLOU 2 trailer and Ghost of Tsuhima and Death Stranding trailer.

And current Halo 5 has a higher concurrent player count than the franchises you mention, as I I said there are numerous ways to measure popularity and Halo beats the franchises you mentioned in nearly every single one.

You're also comparing an in game engine demo that had no hype behind it and was a complete surprise (barring rumors) vs games that were hyped for several weeks by the console market leader, again not a good comparison.
 

Minilla

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Oct 27, 2017
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That's the thing though, you're basically arguing that one series is more popular than the other when it isn't. Halo also might of sold fewer units but it also had 16 million players at its peak and has a higher player count than every game you listed combined.

There are many metrics to measure popularity and Halo is more popular in nearly every one.

Because Uncharted doesn't have an interesting universe or setting or interesting lore. It solely exist as in game form and would never be able to transition into other media or even other game genres ei Halo transitioning into an RTS/Top down shooter etc

That's not true. More players than all those combined ? Do you read sales stats ?
 

IIFloodyII

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And current Halo 5 has a higher concurrent player count than the franchises you mention, as I I said there are numerous ways to measure popularity and Halo beats the franchises you mentioned in nearly every single one.

You're also comparing an in game engine demo that had no hype behind it and was a complete surprise (barring rumors) vs games that were hyped for several weeks by the console market leader, again not a good comparison.
Where are getting what the concurrent player count is for TLoU or Uncharted 4? (last I check both are pretty popular still). And TLoU 2's reveal has almost 16m views over just 2 channels, Halo Infinite isn't getting close to that.

TLoU is already a Juggernaut of a franchise, in it's peak. Halo is long past it's peak, it's not even close at the moment. Halo does fine and will keep doing so, but the TLoU is at another tier at the moment.
 

batosaims

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Where are getting what the concurrent player count is for TLoU or Uncharted 4? (last I check both are pretty popular still). And TLoU 2's reveal has almost 16m views over just 2 channels, Halo Infinite isn't getting close to that.

TLoU is already a Juggernaut of a franchise, in it's peak. Halo is long past it's peak, it's not even close at the moment. Halo does fine and will keep doing so, but the TLoU is at another tier at the moment.

They're not, if you look at the PS4 Trophy stats less than 30-40% of people who played those games play 5 matches (there is a trophy for playing 5 Uncharted 4 matches and less than a 1/3 of the people who play UC4 have it)

Where are you getting 16 million from? TLOU2 reveal from 2016 has 8 million on the PS official Youtube channel and latest reveal has 6.5 million, one of these videos is over 17 month old

Until TLOU has merchandise, multi million dollar tournaments, a massive player count and such, it's not even on the same planet as Halo is in terms of popularity and never will be either.
 

v_iHuGi

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Oct 28, 2017
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They're not, if you look at the PS4 Trophy stats less than 30-40% of people who played those games play 5 matches (there is a trophy for playing 5 Uncharted 4 matches and less than a 1/3 of the people who play UC4 have it)

Where are you getting 16 million from? TLOU2 reveal from 2016 has 8 million on the PS official Youtube channel and latest reveal has 6.5 million, one of these videos is over 17 month old

Until TLOU has merchandise, multi million dollar tournaments, a massive player count and such, it's not even on the same planet as Halo is in terms of popularity and never will be either.

Lmao it must be hard to still be living in 2007, I mean it was a great time for sure but it's time for a reality check.

Last of Us is more popular than Halo these days and it isn't even close.

Halo 4 2012 - 10M LT at max.
Last of Us 2013 - 17M and counting.

You can do all the mental gymnastics you want, try to deny it do whatever you you want, the facts are out there.
 

batosaims

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Lmao it must be hard to still be living in 2007, I mean it was a great time for sure but it's time for a reality check.

Last of Us is more popular than Halo these days and it isn't even close.

Halo 4 2012 - 10M LT at max.
Last of Us 2013 - 17M and counting.

You can do all the mental gymnastics you want, try to deny it do whatever you you want, the facts are out there.

https://gamerant.com/halo-4-top-selling-microsoft-games-studios-title-all-time-united-states/

17 million...with 3 different versions of the game and giving the game away for free with the PS4 ....that's actually fairly low when you think about it

Who's in need of a reality check again? Oh yeah, you ....
 

ShinUltramanJ

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Not surprising. I think Sony's games were better, but the key difference is Sony was actually showing gameplay. Not just teaser trailers, which is practically all Microsoft showed.
 

batosaims

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Oh dear.

I say just let Bato believe what he wants to believe. :D

I'll believe what credible sources show me over rabid fanboys who can't handle losing an argument

Just to add salt to the wound

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/...6-million-halo-games-have-been-sold-worldwide

October 2012

https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2014/10/17/games-halo-master-chief-collection-pre-download/

October 2014 a 14 million increase, remind me which game came out between 2012 and 2014?
 

Hoo-doo

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I don't think anyone here would deny that Halo's popularity has seen a significant downward slope. It's far from the franchise it was at it's peak.

TLOU has yet to reach it's peak, it's far from it. The first game is already regarded as one of the games that defined the last generation and i'm curious whether they will surpass those milestones in the future.
 

v_iHuGi

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"An interesting note to take from the announcement is that the information in which the sales data for Halo 4 is based comes from Microsoft's "retail sales sell-through data for each respective fiscal year." This means that Halo 3 is still the probable leader in lifetime sales, although it's bound to be overtaken in only a matter of time if the numbers keep up."

Guess what? Sales didn't keep up.

Plus USA # World but hey keep going please haha
 

v_iHuGi

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Oct 28, 2017
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"An interesting note to take from the announcement is that the information in which the sales data for Halo 4 is based comes from Microsoft's "retail sales sell-through data for each respective fiscal year." This means that Halo 3 is still the probable leader in lifetime sales, although it's bound to be overtaken in only a matter of time if the numbers keep up."

Guess what? Sales didn't keep up.

Plus USA # World but hey keep going please haha
 

Ajax125

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Nov 15, 2017
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Halo is a bigger franchise than the last of us for...seemingly obvious reasons.

That being said, Last of Us 2 has wayyyy more hype than any current or future Halo games.