I almost forgot about this! My theater screamed when she ate the dumpling lol
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Incredibles II |OT| It's More Than Fantastic (Unmarked spoilers)
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I almost forgot about this! My theater screamed when she ate the dumpling lol
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Might want to spoiler tag that.
There was also an "Awwww" at the end.
Same it was a huge pop.
Might want to spoiler tag that.
There was also an "Awwww" at the end.
Outside of the predictable plot, I really enjoyed it.
I still wish there would have been a time skip but I'm happy with the sequel.
I still wish there would have been a time skip but I'm happy with the sequel.
I was really skeptical and worried with the trailers not giving me a good impression about how this movie would but compared to the original but I was so so happy when I watched it.
The CG (especially comparing it to the first, it's crazy how far we've come since then), fights were great and I feel like even though it was really different it lived up to the original for me personally. Had so much fun the whole way through watching, the villain was obvious from the get go but it didn't take away from the my enjoyment of the movie one bit.
I really really hope we get a spin-off show greenlighted sometime because The Incredibles is so perfect for it. (and Monsters.Inc just got one greenlighted recently so it's not out of the realm of possibility)
The CG (especially comparing it to the first, it's crazy how far we've come since then), fights were great and I feel like even though it was really different it lived up to the original for me personally. Had so much fun the whole way through watching, the villain was obvious from the get go but it didn't take away from the my enjoyment of the movie one bit.
I really really hope we get a spin-off show greenlighted sometime because The Incredibles is so perfect for it. (and Monsters.Inc just got one greenlighted recently so it's not out of the realm of possibility)
I'd recommend a mod putting that in the title of the thread.
Yeah it was a bit too over the top at times and started to hurt my eyes (though by the time I was ready to turn away they were onto another scene)
Saw it last night. In the interest of not burying the lead, the film was very good, thoroughly entertaining, with some incredible (pun intended) set-pieces and fights. On the whole though, the first Incredibles is still the better movie, and that's mainly due to the fact that the sequel follows the first film's structure so closely:
-Our film starts with an extended action set-piece revolving around saving the city in a series of escalating complications that ends with the heroes technically saving the day, but being reviled by the government and the general public for the collateral structural damage (Mr. Incredible before the wedding in the first movie, The Incredibles vs. The Underminer in the second)
-We transition to scenes of domesticity, with the family struggling to adjust to a world turned against supers (Bob at his job, Violet and Dash at school, and family dinner in the first movie, the motel scenes and Violet at school in the second)
-In comes a representative from a major business seeking to help provide work for and/or rehabilitate supers. Said major business is lead by a male/female duo, one the front-person, the other a behind-the-scenes tech genius. Said tech genius is also the film's villain (Mirage/Syndrome in the first movie, the Deavors in the second)
-One of the parents engages in another big action set-piece in a show of old-school heroics, complete with old costume (or close facsimile in the case of Elastigirl in the second). Said set-piece turns out to have been orchestrated by the villain for their larger scheme (the Omnidroid fight in the first movie, the Hovertrain chase in the second)
-Fresh off their victory, things seem to be looking up for the superheroing parent, including their family life. However, this outward success masks the deeper issues the family requires resolving (the arguments and affair implications in the first movie, Bob playing Mr. Mom in the second. This one isn't as clean because Bob's story actually takes up a more significant part of the runtime)
-Edna Mode cameo! (I kid, Edna Mode has an actually important role in the first movie: she tells Helen the truth about what Bob has been doing and accidentally reveals Mr. Incredible's location to Syndrome via the tracking device in his suit. In the second, she just makes a suit for Jack Jack, along with a tracking screen to help monitor him/control his powers, the first of which doesn't substantively impact the narrative outside of a few visual gags, the second of which is promptly broken, allowing Jack Jack to continue his powers shenanigans preetty much uninterupted)
-Just as things seem at their best, the villain reveals their identity, how their plan was a giant ruse (well, partly in the case of the second, as it was a genuine initiative to rehabilitate supers that was hijacked from the inside), and that their goal is to eliminate supers (Syndrome's "When everyone's super" plan in the first, the Deavor sister seeking to make them illegal again in the second)
-The main hero is captured, prompting a rescue by the rest of the family (or in the case of the second, the kids rescuing the parents)
-The film climaxes in a giant set-piece battle where the family emerges victorious thanks to their teamwork (Granted, this isn't really a case of following the structure of the first film as it is a general superhero/action movie cliche, so whatevs)
-Denoument of the family donning their masks together to confidently confront the challenges of the future
Now to be clear, these are just general observations and are not meant as criticisms in and of themselves. It's a sequel, it's expected for there to be some call-backs and similarities. A lot of these moments, taken on their own in The Incredibles 2, are great, it's just that when you notice the similarities, you start to realize how much ground is being retread. Again, that doesn't make the film bad, it's just that if you're going to cover the same basic beats again it's not going to feel as fresh or exciting as it was the first time. Definitely check it out though, it's a fun time with some genuinely fun performances and set-pieces.
-Our film starts with an extended action set-piece revolving around saving the city in a series of escalating complications that ends with the heroes technically saving the day, but being reviled by the government and the general public for the collateral structural damage (Mr. Incredible before the wedding in the first movie, The Incredibles vs. The Underminer in the second)
-We transition to scenes of domesticity, with the family struggling to adjust to a world turned against supers (Bob at his job, Violet and Dash at school, and family dinner in the first movie, the motel scenes and Violet at school in the second)
-In comes a representative from a major business seeking to help provide work for and/or rehabilitate supers. Said major business is lead by a male/female duo, one the front-person, the other a behind-the-scenes tech genius. Said tech genius is also the film's villain (Mirage/Syndrome in the first movie, the Deavors in the second)
-One of the parents engages in another big action set-piece in a show of old-school heroics, complete with old costume (or close facsimile in the case of Elastigirl in the second). Said set-piece turns out to have been orchestrated by the villain for their larger scheme (the Omnidroid fight in the first movie, the Hovertrain chase in the second)
-Fresh off their victory, things seem to be looking up for the superheroing parent, including their family life. However, this outward success masks the deeper issues the family requires resolving (the arguments and affair implications in the first movie, Bob playing Mr. Mom in the second. This one isn't as clean because Bob's story actually takes up a more significant part of the runtime)
-Edna Mode cameo! (I kid, Edna Mode has an actually important role in the first movie: she tells Helen the truth about what Bob has been doing and accidentally reveals Mr. Incredible's location to Syndrome via the tracking device in his suit. In the second, she just makes a suit for Jack Jack, along with a tracking screen to help monitor him/control his powers, the first of which doesn't substantively impact the narrative outside of a few visual gags, the second of which is promptly broken, allowing Jack Jack to continue his powers shenanigans preetty much uninterupted)
-Just as things seem at their best, the villain reveals their identity, how their plan was a giant ruse (well, partly in the case of the second, as it was a genuine initiative to rehabilitate supers that was hijacked from the inside), and that their goal is to eliminate supers (Syndrome's "When everyone's super" plan in the first, the Deavor sister seeking to make them illegal again in the second)
-The main hero is captured, prompting a rescue by the rest of the family (or in the case of the second, the kids rescuing the parents)
-The film climaxes in a giant set-piece battle where the family emerges victorious thanks to their teamwork (Granted, this isn't really a case of following the structure of the first film as it is a general superhero/action movie cliche, so whatevs)
-Denoument of the family donning their masks together to confidently confront the challenges of the future
Now to be clear, these are just general observations and are not meant as criticisms in and of themselves. It's a sequel, it's expected for there to be some call-backs and similarities. A lot of these moments, taken on their own in The Incredibles 2, are great, it's just that when you notice the similarities, you start to realize how much ground is being retread. Again, that doesn't make the film bad, it's just that if you're going to cover the same basic beats again it's not going to feel as fresh or exciting as it was the first time. Definitely check it out though, it's a fun time with some genuinely fun performances and set-pieces.
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Fuck that movie was great! Best Pixar film since Toy Story 3. I wish Pixar didn't waste so much time making crap in-between. (Coco was okay, but I don't really care for the film all that much.)
Excellent voice cast, snappy script/pacing, intense action sequences, hilarious expressive animation. I can't hold all the good it did in two hands.
No movie can live up to a 14 year wait, but The Incredibles 2 gets as close as it does for an animated feature. It's better than the first and then some.
I will say I think I preferred Syndrome as a villain. He was much more charismatic and their childish motivations were more satisfying to see play out.
But I love the design they went for with this villain. It was predictable, but that alone taking away from a film highly pivots on the overall quality and type of film. This was fortunately not one of those cases and didn't take away from anything. They weren't as entertaining as the previous villain but that's where it ends.
Excellent voice cast, snappy script/pacing, intense action sequences, hilarious expressive animation. I can't hold all the good it did in two hands.
No movie can live up to a 14 year wait, but The Incredibles 2 gets as close as it does for an animated feature. It's better than the first and then some.
I will say I think I preferred Syndrome as a villain. He was much more charismatic and their childish motivations were more satisfying to see play out.
But I love the design they went for with this villain. It was predictable, but that alone taking away from a film highly pivots on the overall quality and type of film. This was fortunately not one of those cases and didn't take away from anything. They weren't as entertaining as the previous villain but that's where it ends.
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I think Bob was quoted as saying there were 17 (known) powers, though we don't see them all onscreen. Certainly the ones we're already aware of (like bursting into flames, laser eyes, turning into a demon, etc), but a few new powers that we do see him perform is creating multiple copies of himself, morphing his facial features into the likeness of somebody else's (lol Edna), and growing large a la Ant Man/Giant Man.
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Yeah, Pixar ended up making a superhero film that made me forget about Black Panther or The Avengers: Infinity War (not too hard a feat mind you).
I actually hadn't seen the first one in years and watched it last night. As soon as it was over I was like "Yeah sure I'll watch it again." Overall I think the first movie's better, but I had much more fun watching this one.
That shot of Jack-Jack flaming on during the raccoon fight was great. This probably is the funniest movie I've seen this year.
That shot of Jack-Jack flaming on during the raccoon fight was great. This probably is the funniest movie I've seen this year.
The scene where Mrs. Incredible gets trapped in the "box" and then everything starts strobing was absolutely incredible visually, it totally looked like one of those strobe light Rave kind of scenes so many movies do but it took my brain a minute or two to work out "... hey, this is animated... this looks freaking amazing" although I do wonder how it affected people who might be sensitive to that kind of thing.
I enjoyed the movie, I don't really get the ultra hype from some posters about it being the best super hero movie and stuff. It felt very simple story wise, not really multi-layered, complex, and rich like Coco or Up. Enjoyable but probably not a movie I'd ever really watch again. Kids loved it though, I can see the toys, merchandise, etc being hugely popular with kids and my grand kids are asking to go see it again next week. I was actually a bit surprised at how long it was, clocking in at just under 2 hours.
I wasn't bothered by it - but I was worried that they would trigger someone in the audience to have a seizure.
Yes, my son has seizures and I had to keep covering his eyes during those scenes.
Movie was ok, better cgi then the first of course, but I don't think it was a better movie overall.
I knew it would be the sister because she was cursing.
You'd think Dicker would've mentioned Kari telling him how "the baby was exploding!"
Also they see Jack Jack wrecking Syndrome above their house before he gets sucked up in the turbine.
I feel like Frozone is in this one way more than the original.
In this one, he was at the Underminer fight, he was there at the motel, he was there to rescue the kids and he was in the final act.
In the original movie he really only made two appearances, the beginning and the end fight. He show off his power way more in this one.
I don't see how the movie would've benefited from a time skip. Just so we can see adult Violet and Jack Jack? lol.
there was also a greater chance of pissing people off with their designs.
there was also a greater chance of pissing people off with their designs.
I'll have to rewatch but I don't think they had a good look of what was going and stated they weren't sure what was going on
It's been awhile though
Brad Bird commented on that. The family didn't know that JackJack has powers till this movie. When he was struggling with Syndrome in the air, it was too far up for the family to see anything.
Kari got her memory erased and Dicker didn't tell the family cause he assumed she was just tripping out and hallucinated.
Why would he assume that in a family full of super heroes? Pretty unbelievable he wouldn't check up on that. It'd be easier to say Jack Jack Attack isn't canon lol.
Did he address when Kari said he had "special needs" on voicemail?
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I meant as a character. They used Frozone in this like the way Brian Singer uses mutants in the X-Men franchise, as a set of powers more than as a character.
I watched the first one the night before going to see the sequel, and they definitely did not have a good view of what was going on, other than that Syndrome was struggling with Jack Jack, so I have no problem with them not knowing about his powers.
At the same time, it doesn't gain much from not having a time skip besides being able to redo some Jack Jack Attack gags in the actual film.
The family having to be living out of hotels is interesting but they don't necessarily do much with it besides give them a cool new place to live. The Dash homework stuff and the Violet boy stuff could have been still done if the kids were even just a bit older and Jack Jack will still be a hard kid to take care of as a baby, a toddler, or even a small child.
So what do we really gain then? time skip for sake of a skip?
I thought people wanted a 10-14 year time skip.
lol wat
We should just feel lucky that we got three separate superhero movies in just a few months all around the same amazing quality.
People probably want real-time time skip for whatever reason, but having almost no time skip was weird as well because a natural time progression has an effect on characters and a family dynamic, which is interesting to explore whatever the age, but keeping them exactly the same age would suggest that they wanted the kids to remain the same age because they have more to explore with the characters at the age they were in the first film, but they don't do much with it and it barely plays a factor into Bob and Helen's story that they couldn't have done at any other age.
Maybe it's for marketing and toy purposes in the same way you keep the Simpsons kids the same age forever and how in live-action sitcoms child actors/characters simply grow up, much to the chagrin of the audience who likes the characters forever frozen in time as children.
Great movie. The only thing that kept it better than the first was the villain which I guessed as soon as she came into picture. Syndrome was just a much better bad guy. Jason Lee's best roll really. Besides that, I was glad to hear both Bob Odenkirk and Jonathan Banks in movie. Jack Jack v raccoon was the highlight .The mean ass rodent more than held its own. Don't want to spoil too much. Just go see it.
He has more characterization in this one though... Not a lot, but he was more than just the "best friend who showed up in the beginning and the end fighting scene. He was more involved throughout the plot in the sequel. Winston approached him, so that he can convince the Incredibles to join his cause. Frozone has never been a central character, but they did give him more to do this time. I'd like to see them explore his character even more next time.
Considering Dicker didn't even tell Mr.Incredible that he erased Tony entire memory of Violet. That they only found out after the fact. Shows that Dicker only tell the family things "HE" thinks is important. Now obviously he didn't believe the words of a teenage girl who has an overactive personality and mind like Kari. Coupled with the fact that Syndrome showed up to the family's home. He might have just been like "whatever, mind wipe. Done."
JackJack didn't exhibit any powers up to that point. So there was no cause for him to suspect anything.
It was a pretty good movie. Animated CG has come a long way, it's on the same level of fluid and fast as oldschool 2D animation. Though that was also shown with Genndy's dead Popeye movie...
If there's another sequel, hopefully it doesn't take another 14 years.
My theater actually put up a warning about that. Which was nice of them.
It was a cool fight scene though.
If there's another sequel, hopefully it doesn't take another 14 years.
My theater actually put up a warning about that. Which was nice of them.
It was a cool fight scene though.
Generational differences with regards to superheroics, new school vs. old school. Baby Boomer Heroes clashing with Millenial Heroes, and not in that superficial "Get off my lawn" sense but in the more serious "This is what we did, now you have to deal with the consequences" sense. You could even go the route of "Former hero turns bad over how the youths are 'ruining' everything" a la DC's Infinite Crisis.
Definitely enjoyed it. The visual aesthetic I think is stronger this time around, and Giacchino brought the score. I don't think the villain is...quite as strong as they should've been. That might be the only thing I wasn't crazy about. Jack Jack pretty much stole the show.
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Bao was the feels...
Enjoyed it! Flowed well even if a bit predictable.
Elastic girl is still thicccc. Still baffling that Disney oked them thighs haha
Enjoyed it! Flowed well even if a bit predictable.
Elastic girl is still thicccc. Still baffling that Disney oked them thighs haha
They basically flipped the plot from the first one in regards to that. Elastigirl was being the stay at home parent while Mr. Incredible was our doing hero work and earning money for the family. It's nice to see how each parent handle it when the situation were reversed.
Is Elastigirl ever referred to as "Mrs. Incredible" in Incredibles 2? I see a lot of people call her that, even though the only time someone calls her that is Mirage sort of before she gets punched.
And not believing the words of a teenage girl who has an overactive personality? Again, he is the liaison for a family of four super heroes. It's his job to manage them and pick up on what is going on in their house. What would be so unbelievable about her story to him? Overactive does not mean actually crazy. And if he didn't think her story had any credibility to it, why wipe her in the first place? Sounds illegal to me.
Well, remember his entire memory of Violet was pretty much just what happened the day of the track meet. Tony barely even knew her name. Dicker didn't wipe his memory of her negligently or anything; it was just the very few events that led up to Tony witnessing Violet take off her mask. Him not thinking much of it makes sense, especially when Bob gave him Tony's name without any stipulations.
Considering he is the liaison for an entire family of superheroes for this program and Bob seems to like him, I trust him to be a pretty good judge of what's important.
Now this would actually be negligent, just going "mind wipe done." And it would be really out of character for him, since he was explicitly helpful to Bob after the incident with the boss at the insurance company.
And not believing the words of a teenage girl who has an overactive personality? Again, he is the liaison for a family of four super heroes. It's his job to manage them and pick up on what is going on in their house. What would be so unbelievable about her story to him? Overactive does not mean actually crazy. And if he didn't think her story had any credibility to it, why wipe her in the first place? Sounds illegal to me.
The cause was a person RIGHT in front of him, whom he was interviewing about her interactions with super heroes, telling him about an exploding baby, whom he proceeds to mind wipe. That would be the way someone finds out a baby has super powers, someone witnessing it.
