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Add swimming while black to the list if it's not already added: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...&utm_term=.45485c155291&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1

Carle Wheeler was doing what one does on a vacation in the sun, hanging with her 5-year-old daughter in the pool of the hotel in Pasadena, Calif., where they were staying, when a man approached them.

The man, who is white, asked Wheeler and her daughter, who are black, if they had showered before getting into the pool, Wheeler wrote on her Facebook page, "because people carry diseases into the pools and he doesn't want the health department to shut the pool down."

The two moved to the other end of the pool, but he approached again and she confronted him on what appeared to be "blatant racism," she said. He claimed he worked for the health department when she asked, Wheeler said in an interview with The Washington Post.

"I let him know that being black is not a disease and showering would not wash the BLACK off our skin," Wheeler, 33, a software engineer and single mother from Dallas, wrote on her Facebook page. "I think it's awful that ANY man would think it's okay to essentially ask a woman and a little girl if we took off our clothes and scrubbed our naked bodies before getting into a hotel swimming pool."

The incident, the end of which was captured on camera in a video that has been seen more than 2 million times, is the latest in a long line of episodes to draw scrutiny of the way black people are treated as objects of suspicion by others while engaged in seemingly quotidian activities in public. In recent months, episodes in which black people were questioned or had the police called on them — while renting an apartment through Airbnb, barbecuing, falling asleep in a common room at Yale or sitting in a Starbucks — have drawn wide attention, much of it fueled by strong emotions on social media and giving rise to the hashtag #LivingWhileBlack. Some of these incidents were resolved only after the people targeted were questioned or arrested by police.
 

Bond

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White dude was out of line, but don't you shower after swimming in the pool? And not before. Always did that at my local leisure centre.
 

jelly

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Showering before getting in the pool has been a rule I've known for a long time but yeah, you don't go giving random folk that sort of attention for not doing it.
 
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No reason to assume they haven't showered before getting in the pool.

Dude should mind his own business
 

Cyanity

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So was the guy actually from the health department or not...?

edit - he shouldn't have said jack shit either way. Just put up a sign and you're done.
 

Slayven

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Been on the list
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Slayven

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So was the guy actually from the health department or not...?

edit - he shouldn't have said jack shit either way. Just put up a sign and you're done.
No
The Pasadena Health Department told the television channel KTLA that the man is not a health inspector and that no inspector had been at the Westin recently. And an inspector would not confront patrons if there had been any sanitation issues at the pool, a spokeswoman said.
 

Westbahnhof

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While this reeks of questionable behaviour that might very well be is probably racist, this:
"I think it's awful that ANY man would think it's okay to essentially ask a woman and a little girl if we took off our clothes and scrubbed our naked bodies before getting into a hotel swimming pool."
is incredibly stupid and a disgusting attempt to sexualize the act of cleaning yourself before going into a pool.

Many public pools have rules that require guests to shower, and that statement is just astonishingly dumb.
 

Mariachi507

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This is the type of thing you bring to to friends when you all are sitting in the pool together, not something you said to total fuckin strangers.

What an asshole.
 

SpiritSlayer

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I've been told you should shower before hand to decrease the amount of irritants you may have on your body.
 

BriGuy

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A lot of places do have a shower before entering the pool policy. I don't know if that was under this guy's purview though, or even if it's an enforceable policy so much as it is just a request.
 

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While this reeks of questionable behaviour that might very well be is probably racist, this:

is incredibly stupid and a disgusting attempt to sexualize the act of cleaning yourself before going into a pool.

Many public pools have rules that require guests to shower, and that statement is just astonishingly dumb.
A creepy ass dude approaches a lone woman and her child and start asking questions about their bathing habits? But she is in the wrong?
 

Jeff Albertson

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While this reeks of questionable behaviour that might very well be is probably racist, this:

is incredibly stupid and a disgusting attempt to sexualize the act of cleaning yourself before going into a pool.

Many public pools have rules that require guests to shower, and that statement is just astonishingly dumb.

Yeah this is bullshit and doesn't do the cause any favours when you highlight nonsense.

Man was being a shithead, you are requested to shower before entering a public pool normally with one at poolside but to pull someone up directly is bullshit whether racially motivated is up for debate.
 

Westbahnhof

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A creepy ass dude approaches a lone woman and her child and start asking questions about their bathing habits? But she is in the wrong?
She is wrong when she said what I quoted. Don't twist my words, yeah?
She is clearly sexualizing the very act of making sure people shower, which was part of my job one summer.
Again, this quote is dumb:
"I think it's awful that ANY man would think it's okay to essentially ask a woman and a little girl if we took off our clothes and scrubbed our naked bodies before getting into a hotel swimming pool."
The concern and complaint are absolutely valid in this case. But her sweeping generalization coupled with the sexualization of showering.. Nah.
 

bionic77

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I don't shower before but I understand that is the proper thing to do.

I feel like no one at a resort does this and this guy was way out of line.
 

Alx

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Yeah it's awkward to ask it to other people, but it's common policy to require swimmers to shower beforehand. It would be interesting to check what the hotel rules were.
Also judging by the woman's response, they didn't shower indeed.
 

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You're supposed to shower before. She brought race into it.
 

Squarehard

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Yeah it's awkward to ask it to other people, but it's common policy to require swimmers to shower beforehand. It would be interesting to check what the hotel rules were.
Also judging by the woman's response, they didn't shower indeed.
Yes, that's why the guy asking her had to lie that he's a health inspector.
You're supposed to shower before. She brought race into it.
White guy lies to black woman about being a health inspector in order to ask her if she showered.

Yeah, SHE brought race into it.
 

Slayven

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Watch the video, the dude is a peace of work

She is wrong when she said what I quoted. Don't twist my words, yeah?
She is clearly sexualizing the very act of making sure people shower, which was part of my job one summer.
Again, this quote is dumb:

The concern and complaint are absolutely valid in this case. But her sweeping generalization coupled with the sexualization of showering.. Nah.
You are more concern with her legitimate fear then with the guy accosting her and her child.

Yes, that's why the guy asking her had to lie that he's a health inspector.

White guy lies to black woman about being a health inspector in order to ask her if she showered.

Yeah, SHE brought race into it.

Exactly
 

PaJeppy

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I know it's etiquette to shower before entering a public pool but I have never seen anyone questioned for not doing so.

Given the times we're living in I get why race was brought into it. But still.... I mean..

I don't know. These subjects are too damn touchy these days.
 

joecanada

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I've been asked as a kid if I showered before getting in the pool. I can remember rec staff looking to see if you were wet and making you go back to shower.

But the million dollar question is were they actually asking everyone or more likely, picking on someone due to racism?
 

rjinaz

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Yeah it's awkward to ask it to other people, but it's common policy to require swimmers to shower beforehand. It would be interesting to check what the hotel rules were.
Also judging by the woman's response, they didn't shower indeed.
There is no way to prove whether somebody showered or not. Therefore, policy or no, it's not enforceable, you have to assume people do it. Asking anybody is out of line. But, let's assume that this person was asking everybody and not just the Black lady, but of course they weren't. Nevermind lying about being an inspector.

You really see no problem here?

Let me help. A racist person wanted to bully around some minorities. That's what happened. But hey, at least they were calm and rational about it I guess.
 

Slayven

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I'm not. Why would you accuse me of that?
I'm saying the generalization is wrong, while she very much was a victim, and the guy is a creep.
Why put words in my mouth? I criticised literally one statement.
But you can't see her concern over a guy presenting himself as a official and asking private questions? It's a known tactic for sexual assaulter.
 

ShyMel

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I've been asked as a kid if I showered before getting in the pool. I can remember rec staff looking to see if you were wet and making you go back to shower.

But the million dollar question is were they actually asking everyone or more likely, picking on someone due to racism?
This guy is not a health inspector and from the KTLA article, the inspectors would not confront people about them showering or not.
 

rjinaz

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This guy is not a health inspector and from the KTLA article, the inspectors would not confront people about them showering or not.
Yeah because what would be the point? They going to check their ass crack or something too? The whole thing is stupid and I can't believe we have defenders here when the intent is pretty blatant.
 

Z-Beat

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Ah yes, those plainclothes health department inspectors that are stationed at every pool questioning people about their bathing habits.


White dude was out of line, but don't you shower after swimming in the pool? And not before. Always did that at my local leisure centre.
Think you're supposed to do both. Before so you don't track anything into the pool and after to wash the chlorine off of you.
 

Alx

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There is no way to prove whether somebody showered or not. Therefore, policy or no, it's not enforceable, you have to assume people do it. Asking anybody is out of line. But, let's assume that this person was asking everybody and not just the Black lady, but of course they weren't. Nevermind lying about being an inspector.

You really see no problem here?

Let me help. A racist person wanted to bully around some minorities. That's what happened.

The thing is, I have no reason to suspect the guy was racist. We're not even sure he's a liar, since he could be a health inspector on his off time. While the woman wasn't entirely in her right (didn't shower), and as Westbanhof mentions, overreacts when turning a hygiene question into a sexual one.
So yeah I won't draw early conclusions on the matter. Maybe it's racism, but maybe it isn't.
 

rjinaz

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The thing is, I have no reason to suspect the guy was racist. We're not even sure he's a liar, since he could be a health inspector on his off time. While the woman wasn't entirely in her right (didn't shower), and as Westbanhof mentions, overreacts when turning a hygiene question into a sexual one.
So yeah I won't draw early conclusions on the matter. Maybe it's racism, but maybe it isn't.
This is why racism happens. People so quick to just give people the benefit of the doubt when the most easily explanation on why a person is asking this pointless question to a Black woman is racism. Also, I like how you assume he's not racist, but also assume the person didn't shower. Benefit of the doubt only goes to the lying asshole who maybe spends their off time from their health inspector job asking random people if they showered and then following them around the pool to keep asking.
 

Strider_Blaze

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Yeah it's honestly wise to shower before getting in the pool, especially a public one.

That said, the guy approaching the mother and the daughter about that and lying about his profession was absolutely uncalled for!