Gran Turismo SPORT | OT | Putting it all on the line

eyeball_kid said:

Something about the DS4 steering input on the kart has changed from the demo. It controlled amazingly well on Suzuka in the demo, but I was having trouble taking gradual curves without overcorrecting. It felt really tweaky.

Still a fun race though. I didn't really practice and qualified 17th, moved up to 11th and on that final curve the person in front went into the sand. It was a squeaker down the final straight and I beat them by a hundreth of a millisecond. 1st and 2nd had the same kind of photo finish. Surprisingly I got 181 points for that, more than all the points I received in the last FIA round. Don't really know what I did differently.

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I started 7th and ended up finishing 2nd to last by the end of it, which was kinda the opposite of the race I had the night before where I botched my good qualifying laps and started way further back than I should of and ended up gaining a few places by the end of the race.

I had only maybe 10 minutes at most (should of picked a better time but it was late so I just got it over with) to get used the the kart again as I hadn't touched it since the open beta. Since then, I've switched to motion control steering and found it LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO CONTROL.

And now we've got Gr.3 again tonight at an oval so I don't know if I'll even bother.

New dailies.

RCZ GT (N200) one make - Northern Speedway, 10 laps.
Honda Sports VGT (Gr. X) one make - Kyoto Yamagiwa, 4 laps.
Gr. 3 - Dragon Trail, 10 laps.

Riddle me this...

Qualify 3rd, finish 3rd, no penalties, positive SR -347 points.

Same night, same rank DR.B SR.S

Qualify 9th, finish 8th, 10 second penalty (for getting rear ended!), negative SR - 622 points.

The difference? First race (karts) there were 6 DR.B and all the rest were DR.D. Second race there were 4 DR.A and 3 DR.D while the rest were DR.B. looks like the field strength theory of scoring was correct...

The N200 oval race is slow enough that it's just full throttle all the way.

I really want to get on board with you guys for the FIA stuff but my time with GT is currently limited to weekends...

Putty said:

I really want to get on board with you guys for the FIA stuff but my time with GT is currently limited to weekends...

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Does weekend include Friday night? You only need 3 results ;-)

New dailies:

One Make - RCZ GT Line '15 (car provided), soft tyres, fixed settings, no consumption - Northern Isle Speedway - 10 laps

One Make - Honda Sport VGT (car provided), soft tyres, fixed settings, no consumption - Kyoto Yamagiwa - 4 laps

GR.3 - BOP on, soft tyres, fixed settings, fuel consumption (x1), tyre wear (x2) - Dragon Trail Seaside - 10 laps

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The Honda VGT is a handful. You have been warned.

DHC-Shannow said:

Riddle me this...

Qualify 3rd, finish 3rd, no penalties, positive SR -347 points.

Same night, same rank DR.B SR.S

Qualify 9th, finish 8th, 10 second penalty (for getting rear ended!), negative SR - 622 points.

The difference? First race (karts) there were 6 DR.B and all the rest were DR.D. Second race there were 4 DR.A and 3 DR.D while the rest were DR.B. looks like the field strength theory of scoring was correct...

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It also says so in-game. When on the Sport mode screen if you click on the GT logo menu in the top left there's a sport mode guidance screen.

On that it says for championships: "The higher your DR is, the more points you can receive."

A higher DR increases your chance for higher DR opponents, but like in your example the opponents can still vary wildly.

GHG said:

The Honda VGT is a handful. You have been warned.

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I remember the Mission Challenge with that car on Suzuka took me over an hour to Gold.

Mush said:

I remember the Mission Challenge with that car on Suzuka took me over an hour to Gold.

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I can see that race being SR suicide for a while.

That Honda VGT is a joy to drive. Very difficult, but also very rewarding. I don't even get close to the times of the best racers though. But its just pure fun to push this beast trough corners.
Also did the GR3 race today and did they already improve the penalty system? My car was touched multiple times from behind and someone even threw me off the track, got no penalty whatsoever.

The more I play the more relaxed I'm during the races. When I started GTS I sweated a lot during the races and often made mistakes because of the pressure. Now I'm way more consistent and patient. The pressure is still there, but I can deal with it much better now.

DHC-Shannow said:

Does weekend include Friday night? You only need 3 results ;-)

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Alas dude, Sat and Sun.

Just got an in-game notice server maintenance for approx. 22 hours from now.

Had a fun race yesterday

Oghuz said:

Yeah I had the same issue. I didn't even bother with the race. Karts need some tweaking it seems (at least on wheels).

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You need to drive faster to make the cart more manageable. You really need to put in laps to get used to it.

Mush said:

Just got an in-game notice server maintenance for approx. 22 hours from now.

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It's the same 2 hour window every Wednesday.

bombshell said:

It also says so in-game. When on the Sport mode screen if you click on the GT logo menu in the top left there's a sport mode guidance screen.

On that it says for championships: "The higher your DR is, the more points you can receive."

A higher DR increases your chance for higher DR opponents, but like in your example the opponents can still vary wildly.

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Yep and that is definitely the case, the guys with lower DR ratings than me aren't getting the scores I get even if I do badly and they win. But OldGit and JJShadow both won their kart races and both are DR.B yet OldGit got 967 points and JJShadow got 809, trying to suss out the reason why...

sponk said:

That Honda VGT is a joy to drive. Very difficult, but also very rewarding. I don't even get close to the times of the best racers though. But its just pure fun to push this beast trough corners.
Also did the GR3 race today and did they already improve the penalty system? My car was touched multiple times from behind and someone even threw me off the track, got no penalty whatsoever.

The more I play the more relaxed I'm during the races. When I started GTS I sweated a lot during the races and often made mistakes because of the pressure. Now I'm way more consistent and patient. The pressure is still there, but I can deal with it much better now.

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Dunno about the penalties, it could even be track specific (it judges how fast your going at a point in the track to decide blame for a collision maybe) as I got a 10 second penalty for a guy going into the back of me on a tight corner on the hill at Bathurst.

And yeah, the more you play the easier it gets to cope with the pressure, lol I used to sweat like hell playing this too :-) Doing the FIA events for 7-10 laps makes the sport mode races feel like a breeze too.

bombshell said:

It's the same 2 hour window every Wednesday.

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Oh yeah it is too, my bad.

Putty said:

Alas dude, Sat and Sun.

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Damn :-( Still I'd say have a crack at the ones you can do, I find the longer races and the live qualifying better than standard sport mode :-)

Priapus said:

Had a fun race yesterday



You need to drive faster to make the cart more manageable. You really need to put in laps to get used to it.

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No no, there's definitely something wrong, probably rotation degrees are out of wack because if i move the wheel 1cm i spin

There's some great racing to be had at Dragon Trail GR3 today. Really clean race all round with people respecting each other's space.

I've also really taken a liking to the Jaguar F-Type GR3 car. Suits me down to the ground, looks the business and it's more than competitive enough just finished 4th sandwiched between the usual suspects like the beetles and 911s.

Melfice7 said:

No no, there's definitely something wrong, probably rotation degrees are out of wack because if i move the wheel 1cm i spin

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Interesting. What wheel are you using? With the T300 it is twitchy but driveable.

sponk said:

That Honda VGT is a joy to drive. Very difficult, but also very rewarding. I don't even get close to the times of the best racers though. But its just pure fun to push this beast trough corners.
Also did the GR3 race today and did they already improve the penalty system? My car was touched multiple times from behind and someone even threw me off the track, got no penalty whatsoever.

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Penalty system's been improved you say? Just did the Honda VGT daily...



10 second penalty for me -___-

Really?! They gone off the track, are blocking the race line, driving much slower than normal speed and it's me trying to avoid them that gets a 10 second penalty...

bombshell said:

Penalty system's been improved you say? Just did the Honda VGT daily...

10 second penalty for me -___-

Really?! They gone off the track, are blocking the race line, driving much slower than normal speed and it's me trying to avoid them that gets a 10 second penalty...

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People will disagree I'm sure, but I see no problem with you receiving a penalty there. As the trailing driver you have to make sure it's safe to execute the pass. The cars in front are out of control and are naturally going to come back across the track. You took the opportunity and decided to full throttle it through and in the process you drift out towards the outside of the corner towards the to cars as they are correcting back on to the track. Specifically the middle car is trying to react away from the car bouncing off the wall and you are passing unsafely at full speed and took away any chance for him to react. You tried to take advantage of the opening, which I understand, but like I said you have to safely execute it without contact or slow down. That's my take.

Priapus said:

Interesting. What wheel are you using? With the T300 it is twitchy but driveable.

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G27 via drivehub

mcfizzle said:

People will disagree I'm sure, but I see no problem with you receiving a penalty there. As the trailing driver you have to make sure it's safe to execute the pass. The cars in front are out of control and are naturally going to come back across the track. You took the opportunity and decided to full throttle it through and in the process you drift out towards the outside of the corner towards the to cars as they are correcting back on to the track. Specifically the middle car is trying to react away from the car bouncing off the wall and you are passing unsafely at full speed and took away any chance for him to react. You tried to take advantage of the opening, which I understand, but like I said you have to safely execute it without contact or slow down. That's my take.

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There's a very clear opening, I'm driving straight and they change direction into the side of me.

bombshell said:

There's a very clear opening, I'm driving straight and they change direction into the side of me.

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It's not a clear opening, at least not in how you approached it. If it was there wouldn't have been contact. If you had stayed tight to the right contact would've be avoided. I look at like if it were real life racing and would you approach out of control cars the same way?. You would've taken massive damage from that contact.

Edit: I'll put it another way. The two cars in front were crashing, or at least the one on the outside, and you didn't leave enough room for the expected reactions of the cars, ie bouncing off the wall back onto the track, while attempting your pass. Penalty is justified IMO.

mcfizzle said:

People will disagree I'm sure, but I see no problem with you receiving a penalty there. As the trailing driver you have to make sure it's safe to execute the pass. The cars in front are out of control and are naturally going to come back across the track. You took the opportunity and decided to full throttle it through and in the process you drift out towards the outside of the corner towards the to cars as they are correcting back on to the track. Specifically the middle car is trying to react away from the car bouncing off the wall and you are passing unsafely at full speed and took away any chance for him to react. You tried to take advantage of the opening, which I understand, but like I said you have to safely execute it without contact or slow down. That's my take.

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I actually agree. Lots of accidents online are caused by scenarios like this online as well.

If you see cars ahead of you crashing your first instinct should not be to try and get past at full throttle, it should be to slow down a little to ensure you can pass in the safest way possible.

If you're going to try and make the pass at full throttle you need to be 100% sure there is enough room to make that pass. I need the scenario in the GIF above tucking over towards the right as much as possible would have enabled a clean pass. If you were carrying too much speed coming out of the corner to angle yourself correctly to do that then a bit of throttle lift should have been sufficient considering the speed at which you went past them.

Whether 10 seconds is warranted is a different story, but a penalty is definitely justified since in a real life racing situation that manoeuvre would be considered reckless.

OldGit_Gamer said:

GJ mate, can i join in? Snagged a double with today @ BH and Bathurst! :)

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Congrats on those victories! I saw you got a nice chunk of points as well, keep it up :)

DHC-Shannow said:

Very well done bud, that bloody score too! You've nearly got as much from 1 race as i have from 2! Did you have some DR.A guys in there?



Bloody hell 2 wins! And with the Viper around Bathurst too, I'm impressed! I had an 8th and a 3rd so not a great night for me, and it's bloody blue moon tomorrow :-(

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DHC-Shannow said:

Riddle me this...

Qualify 3rd, finish 3rd, no penalties, positive SR -347 points.

Same night, same rank DR.B SR.S

Qualify 9th, finish 8th, 10 second penalty (for getting rear ended!), negative SR - 622 points.

The difference? First race (karts) there were 6 DR.B and all the rest were DR.D. Second race there were 4 DR.A and 3 DR.D while the rest were DR.B. looks like the field strength theory of scoring was correct...

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Thanks bud :) I've been doing some calculations as well and the point system is definitely based on the average DR rating of the whole grid. In the karting race I had DR B guys mostly but there were 2 or 3 DR A as well, so that might be the reason I got so many points. Last week I ended up 3rd on one of my races, half of the grid was DR D-E and only got 400 points or so

GHG said:

I actually agree. Lots of accidents online are caused by scenarios like this online as well.

If you see cars ahead of you crashing your first instinct should not be to try and get past at full throttle, it should be to slow down a little to ensure you can pass in the safest way possible.

If you're going to try and make the pass at full throttle you need to be 100% sure there is enough room to make that pass.

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Exactly what I'm trying to say. There's more than enough time and space to avoid contact.

As gutterboy was saying before, turning damage on for every race would probably reduce a lot of those situations by making people more cautious. You can shake off a penalty, but can't magically fix a damaged axle.

Anyone else having issues with GTS crashing on them? Just happened again for the 2nd time today and probably the 4th time in a week. Thankfully it wasn't during a race or anything.

bombshell said:

Penalty system's been improved you say? Just did the Honda VGT daily...

10 second penalty for me -___-

Really?! They gone off the track, are blocking the race line, driving much slower than normal speed and it's me trying to avoid them that gets a 10 second penalty...

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Had a similar thing happen on Tokyo East Inner on my qualifying lap. The time without the penalty was two seconds faster than the top time but then a 10-second penalty ruined it. I was pissed and the actual race was much worse. I'd like to think it was a case of them being at a funny angle and me going so fast they didn't have time to see me coming but if your trying to build up speed don't try and get back on the racing line unless your sure there are no cars. You should have been slightly to the right though to give the extra overtake room. In my case I literally couldn't have given more room as I was flat out almost touching the wall on the left coming from a blind corner, it was just after the two left turns after the tunnel which you can get some serious speed as most people lift off and go wide, they cut onto my path at an angle likely because they bounced off the outer wall and got sent across.

Saying that I had an unexpected thing happen which had the potential to ruin a persons race. I was first on the kart race and went wide on the first corner by trying to go too fast but as I was riding the side so I could easily come in at a predictable point for others behind me to see the car popped out on its own just as people were overtaking. Thankfully they were going fast enough to just bounce me off but my race for the top was finished.

Exactly the same for me.
This always appen when you follow your trajectory and someone hit you on the side.

The annoying part is when you have to brake on a chicane and someone is so stupid to try to cut it, if you have the bad luck to hit him, since the cpu see you ahead, YOU get a penalty.

Melfice7 said:

G27 via drivehub

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I was about to suggest that it might be some translation error between the wheel and the game through drivehub. Then I saw this topic on the chronusmax forums
http://cronusmax.com/forums/showthread.php/176526-Gt-sport-Problem-G27

Could it be that the wheel was too sensitive anyway but became more obvious when driving the cart?

one thing i've noticed about the sportsmanship rating is that in most cases it doesn't go down when you get hit from behind. it's been like this for a while now, too.

which is good.

but my rating still takes a hit when someone (accidentally) pushes me to the side.

which is bad.

Is there anything more satisfying that seeing two beetles take each other out at the high speed Dragon Trail chicane? I don't think so.

I was in front of both of them but after being bumped from behind a few times I decided to let them both pass and low and behold, they take each other out.

I actually laughed out loud.

bud said:

one thing i've noticed about the sportsmanship rating is that in most cases it doesn't go down when you get hit from behind. it's been like this for a while now, too.

which is good.

but my rating still takes a hit when someone (accidentally) pushes me to the side.

which is bad.

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Most people already know how to exploit the side-bumping in this game. I don't how many times I've had the classic asshole bumping into my side to take my position and then he end up with blue SR and I get red SR and a penalty

GHG said:

Ok that hellcat looks awesome. If Dodge would sell it to me in that colour combination I'd buy it in an instant.

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Thanks, it's actually based up on a diecast of a '69 R/T I own. I always liked that metallic brown + vinyl top.

Picture is not from me.

DHC-Shannow said:

Here's my friends list leaderboards from Season 1, as you can see JJShadow takes the Nation's Cup for the Brits by a whisker in front of AnythingBut (OldGit) whilst he takes the Manufacturer title with Citroen.

Feel free to send me a friend request if you want to be included in the competition for season 2 :-)

So far it looks like this...

OldGit is leading the Nation's (look at the score he got from last night's Karts) whilst I'm ahead at the moment in the Manufacturer :-)

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It's great to have you guys representing the new Era :)

bombshell said:

There's a very clear opening, I'm driving straight and they change direction into the side of me.

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There is an opening a massive one but you went central rather than to the right. If you went for the apex late there would have been no problem. Just a general rule of thumb, if you see an incident or slow cars give them as much room as the track allows because they are likely not going to have full control, especially if its a Gr3 or Gr1. Even if you take a much slower line you will always overtake them as they have to accelerate up to your speed. People will often still come into your path but at least you have done everything you could have and know for certain you weren't at fault.

Just noticed we have oval race today in the Nations Cup

bombshell said:

Penalty system's been improved you say? Just did the Honda VGT daily...

10 second penalty for me -___-

Really?! They gone off the track, are blocking the race line, driving much slower than normal speed and it's me trying to avoid them that gets a 10 second penalty...

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You could of avoided that by sticking to the right. Drifting to the left is prob why you got penalised, the guy in the middle had to turn right.

Chuckled when I noticed a guy got 50s penalty.

mcfizzle said:

People will disagree I'm sure, but I see no problem with you receiving a penalty there. As the trailing driver you have to make sure it's safe to execute the pass. The cars in front are out of control and are naturally going to come back across the track. You took the opportunity and decided to full throttle it through and in the process you drift out towards the outside of the corner towards the to cars as they are correcting back on to the track. Specifically the middle car is trying to react away from the car bouncing off the wall and you are passing unsafely at full speed and took away any chance for him to react. You tried to take advantage of the opening, which I understand, but like I said you have to safely execute it without contact or slow down. That's my take.

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I actually agrees. The driver overtaking should be more cautious instead of use full throtle there.

eyeball_kid said:

As gutterboy was saying before, turning damage on for every race would probably reduce a lot of those situations by making people more cautious. You can shake off a penalty, but can't magically fix a damaged axle.

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This so much. Why PD can't udnerstand this? ... they had all the work to implement damage just to not use it. In a game where behavior is so important, damaging your car would prevent lot of stupid actions. I think they sould go even further implementing permanent damage, so you should to fix your car damages after the race using credits. If the damage is too severe you couldn't even be able to race with that car while you don't fix it.

bombshell said:

Penalty system's been improved you say? Just did the Honda VGT daily...

10 second penalty for me -___-

Really?! They gone off the track, are blocking the race line, driving much slower than normal speed and it's me trying to avoid them that gets a 10 second penalty...

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When I first saw this I was completely with you, in gaming terms it was a tiny contact that hardly affected the other cars and 10 seconds seems ridiculous.

But I get what the other guys are saying too, if this was real life with real people in those cars then not lifting or taking precautions under those conditions would be reckless and endanger life. And I guess that is what GT Sport and the FIA licence thing is about, real life driving.

What we can't see is if there was a guy behind you who would rear end you and give you a 10 second penalty if you lifted too!

I'm sure the penalty system will continue to be tweaked and improved over the life of the game and reactions to situations like this will become more natural.

JJShadow said:

Congrats on those victories! I saw you got a nice chunk of points as well, keep it up :)

Thanks bud :) I've been doing some calculations as well and the point system is definitely based on the average DR rating of the whole grid. In the karting race I had DR B guys mostly but there were 2 or 3 DR A as well, so that might be the reason I got so many points. Last week I ended up 3rd on one of my races, half of the grid was DR D-E and only got 400 points or so

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Yeah I think this is definitely the answer to it, be nice to know if there's anything else taken into consideration too like fastest lap or clean racing. All we can do is just keep trying to beat the guys in front of us :-)

Great GT Sport review by Blood
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gbyz4RmQkdU&t=0s

What tracks and cars do people want to see in additional content?

I want to see more racing classes rather than more cars in the current classes. I would like to see: Touring cars (NGTC and Super 2000), Formula (1,2,3,4, E, and the various junior formula), historic (focus on categories that have the most iconic racing cars), Super GT (500 and 300), Sports Car Racing (just get as many CN class cars as possible), and anything else that gives a different kind of racing.

Track wise I'd love to see as many real-life circuits as possible and ignore the fictional ones. I'd be happy with a focus on lesser known circuits such as Oulton Park, Donington Park, Rockingham ISSC, Snetterton 300 that rarely get featured in games but are used in national cup events, I'd be fine with the more notable tracks like Spa, Monza, Monaco, Sarthe, Laguna Seca although they are done to death.

I would love to see the player count for Gt sport....game is really lacking content.

jpbonadio said:

This so much. Why PD can't udnerstand this? ... they had all the work to implement damage just to not use it. In a game where behavior is so important, damaging your car would prevent lot of stupid actions. I think they sould go even further implementing permanent damage, so you should to fix your car damages after the race using credits. If the damage is too severe you couldn't even be able to race with that car while you don't fix it.

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The victim's car would also take damage though, and in some cases may come out with worse damage than the agressor. Consider a well-timed shunt head-on into a barrier at a chicane, for example.

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This so much. Why PD can't udnerstand this? ... they had all the work to implement damage just to not use it.

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Mechanical damage is set to low so far in the FIA championships, so to say that they are not using it is incorrect. They could be using it more for sure.