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Television Displays and Technology Thread: The ERA of OLED is Now

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Apharmd said:
Personally I despise motion compensation for 24p content. Better to just live with the judder on pans IMO. I've never owned a display which did interpolation in a livable way, and I've had just about every brand of display.

Plasma shouldn't flicker since it's driven at 600 subfields per second. This will be imperceptible for almost everyone and is far preferable to sample-and-hold. Phosphor lag on the other hand, is perceptible but the severity varied by plasma brand and year.
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Yea phosphor lag was my main beef with plasma. It was very noticeable when I first got it but went away over time. Not sure if got better as the TV aged or my eyes adjusted. Either way it's a non-issue now. I believe phosphor lag did improve with later models. Is that right?
 
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Bumrush said:
Thank you both. I can't believe how helpful this community is...incredible.

Frank, I was thinking stationary / dipoles in the back to allow for more movement flexibility and towers in the front (for the same reason)
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Don't use dipoles. Bipoles are okay and Atmos is really designed for direct raditating, but Dolby has expressly stated not to use dipoles in Atmos configurations.

E: Bottom of page six in that PDF
 
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JB1981 said:
Yea phosphor lag was my main beef with plasma. It was very noticeable when I first got it but went away over time. Not sure if got better as the TV aged or my eyes adjusted. Either way it's a non-issue now. I believe phosphor lag did improve with later models. Is that right?
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Yes, Panasonic made improvements to IIRC the green phosphor in 2011 onwards and trailing is less noticeable on those panels. Pioneer had worse phosphor lag on their Kuro. I have a Hitachi ALiS plasma and it has essentially no trailing whatsoever despite being a 2008 panel. Not sure about Samsung, those, NEC, and Fujitsu were the only "major" later plasma manufacturers that I never owned. I'm not sure if it lessens over time or your eyes become used to it. IMO although I can see them, it's sort of a non-issue compared to the flaws with other display types.

If you want to see them again, pop in Sin City, lol. That brings out the phosphor lag big time.
 
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RedlineRonin said:
Don't use dipoles. Bipoles are okay and Atmos is really designed for direct raditating, but Dolby has expressly stated not to use dipoles in Atmos configurations.

E: Bottom of page six in that PDF
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Yep you're right my bad you are right I did mean bipoles. Good catch lol Most speakers available in the configuration for this are bipole. Do you know if they are stating not to use it in your configuration at all or for atmos upper layer channels? I would think it's obvious not to use them for your upper layer, but I maybe they are saying all.


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The TV game is basically "LED gets super bright but has raised blacks and poor viewing angles while OLED has perfect blacks yet can't get as bright". Pick one.

The Audio game is 10X as complicated at a minimum.
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Also on other thing I wanted to mention is it seems like you have a lot of room so you ideally should have flexibility on where you can place your sub. Loading in the corner may be something you want to consider to prevent nulls in freq response. However you will not know until you actually get it and place it. Subwoofer placement is EXTREMELY important. You can have an outstanding sub in a awful position and it will be mediocre and vice versa you can have a mediocre sub in the perfect place and dialed in and it will sound fantastic.
 
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FrankNitty said:
Yep you're right my bad you are right I did mean bipoles. Good catch lol Most speakers available in the configuration for this are bipole. Do you know if they are stating not to use it in your configuration at all or for atmos upper layer channels? I would think it's obvious not to use them for your upper layer, but I maybe they are saying all.
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At all.

The idea of object based audio (setting aside the overhead component for a minute) is that it enables far more precision than was ever available before. It's all about being able to place objects directly within the audio space at various points. To do this, you can't have speakers with extreme dispersion (dipoles) or you lose the precision and accuracy that Atmos is designed around.

In an ideal world you'd probably do point source/direct radiating for all your speakers, but for most folks (myself included) you'll never get an ideal enough configuration, so you go bipoles.
 
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I was going to Wall mount my 65 inch Sony 930e but seem to remember 4 bolts that came with the tv. Do I need those? I'm pretty sure I had 4 but I might have remembered wrong. If I do need them I'll have to tear my apartment apart since I just moved.
 
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Bumrush said:
The TV game is basically "LED gets super bright but has raised blacks and poor viewing angles while OLED has perfect blacks yet can't get as bright". Pick one.

The Audio game is 10X as complicated at a minimum.
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Pretty much.

Also wanted to +1 the not using dipoles. No good for Atmos. Bipoles are fine, but really only if you need them (i.e. you need to wall mount your surrounds and the wall is right next to main listening position). If you don't need them, bookshelves are preferred for surrounds if you plan on going Atmos. And in 2018 you should plan on going Atmos at some point. ;-)

I'm going with bipole surrounds because my space is unbelievable tiny for a media room. You'll be able to reach out and touch the speakers from the outside seats. Bipoles help in this situation since the woofers aren't pointed directly at the ear. If you can manage to have at least 3-4 feet of distance from the speaker to your nearest seating position, direct radiating speakers are best.

For content, this is the upgrade roadmap for my tiny ass media room:

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Got my C7 a few days ago and there's so much to read and fiddle with, head is spinning. SDR, HDR, game mode in SDR/HDR, limited/full RGB screwing with me, going through settings on my new AVR, Blu-Ray player and PS4. And another thing, white subtitles in HDR movies? I don't even.
 
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You guys have easily tripled my knowledge of the audio side of things in a day. Please keep it coming, I'm taking notes.

Lol molnizzle that popcorn machine
 
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Bumrush said:
You guys have easily tripled my knowledge of the audio side of things in a day. Please keep it coming, I'm taking notes.

Lol molnizzle that popcorn machine
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AVSForum is good too. I've learned quite a bit from there. I started looking into Atmos about 2 months ago and knew less than you do right now. I'd been happy enough with those Pioneers but was ready to upgrade.

So far I just have the front 3 replaced. Surrounds next, then subs, then heights. =)
 
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So here's the basement space that is being built. It's 16' x 16' (I accidentally cut off the 1 from 16') with the dotted line representing an imaginary divider to the rest of the basement (no walls, acoustically wide open).

Using the article RR provided - and some common sense - I marked off where I anticipate the speakers will go (red = sub, which obviously may move). AVR will be in the TV stand. My builder wants me to mark off where the speakers will be so he can wire it correctly.

Any thoughts? Things I should be looking at differently?
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I am sure you already know this but make sure the basement is carpeted for acoustic reasons, hard wood and concrete will bounce the sound and lose warmth in the sound.

Fuck it, carpet the walls and ceiling while you are at it :)
 
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Question to you guys-

Do you think it's safe to transport a plasma laid flat in the back of a car? I think I have actually done it with my current plasma but I honestly can't remember if I did or not. I have a flat cardboard box laid down in the back with a thick blanket and small pillows at the edges. You think the glass could potentially break ?
 
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RedlineRonin said:
That sounds like all good news to me.

Atmos bounce or in ceiling?
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In ceiling :)

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I am sure you already know this but make sure the basement is carpeted for acoustic reasons, hard wood and concrete will bounce the sound and lose warmth in the sound.

Fuck it, carpet the walls and ceiling while you are at it :)
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It's going to be a family space, first and foremost...not a dedicated space. We just finished tiling it. We'll definitely area rug it, but the tile looks sooooooo good
 
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JB1981 said:
Question to you guys-

Do you think it's safe to transport a plasma laid flat in the back of a car? I think I have actually done it with my current plasma but I honestly can't remember if I did or not. I have a flat cardboard box laid down in the back with a thick blanket and small pillows at the edges. You think the glass could potentially break ?
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I had to transport my plasma flat as there was no other way would it fit in, make sure the screen is facing to the roof and you should be fine.
 
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In ceiling :)



It's going to be a family space, first and foremost...not a dedicated space. We just finished tiling it. We'll definitely area rug it, but the tile looks sooooooo good
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Ah man that's a shame, you would not believe how much difference to the acoustic sound soft fabric makes.

I used to live in a flat with hardfloor everywhere but used a huge rug and when I moved and set my sound system up in a room with a carpet I was blown away with how much warmer the sound was.
 
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dsk1210 said:
I had to transport my plasma flat as there was no other way would it fit in, make sure the screen is facing to the roof and you should be fine.
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Reading horror stories online like these TVs can't be laid flat, the gases will leak and the screen will be distorted! I'm pretty sure the two times I moved I had the plasma laid flat in the back at least once and nothing happened.
 
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I hope I am not breaking any rules here...but I am selling my 2017 LG E7 65" OLED. It only has 397 hours, comes with box and all accessories. For and extra $20.00 there is 4 year warranty through RC Willey that I have as well. Asking $2000.00 for the set. I am in Boise Idaho. Please email me for pics or any other questions.
 
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JB1981 said:
Reading horror stories online like these TVs can't be laid flat, the gases will leak and the screen will be distorted! I'm pretty sure the two times I moved I had the plasma laid flat in the back at least once and nothing happened.
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As long as the screen is not facing down you should be fine, don't want pressure applied to that screen.
 
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Ah man that's a shame, you would not believe how much difference to the acoustic sound soft fabric makes.

I used to live in a flat with hardfloor everywhere but used a huge rug and when I moved and set my sound system up in a room with a carpet I was blown away with how much warmer the sound was.
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I'm sure! I have 2 kids at home so we decided to keep the space open. Honestly, the floor looks awesome and the basement flows really nicely so I'm thrilled
 
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Hawk269 said:
I hope I am not breaking any rules here...but I am selling my 2017 LG E7 65" OLED. It only has 397 hours, comes with box and all accessories. For and extra $20.00 there is 4 year warranty through RC Willey that I have as well. Asking $2000.00 for the set. I am in Boise Idaho. Please email me for pics or any other questions.
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Wow, that's very specific. Did you get this from the Service Menu or something?
 
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Hawk269 said:
I hope I am not breaking any rules here...but I am selling my 2017 LG E7 65" OLED. It only has 397 hours, comes with box and all accessories. For and extra $20.00 there is 4 year warranty through RC Willey that I have as well. Asking $2000.00 for the set. I am in Boise Idaho. Please email me for pics or any other questions.
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How'd you manage to get an "hours used" statistic out of the TV? Down the road if I ever want to sell my B7, I'd love to have such a specific number to reference. Also hello to a fellow Boisean!
 
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Verdanth said:
For those out there with either a Sony X930 or a AE1 how is the input lag on 1080p@60Hz, specially with a Nintendo Switch?
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I have the 900F, which is fairly similar to those in 1080p60 lag (40.8) and even going from an 800b (with sub 20) it's unnoticeable to me. 40 is a bit more than 2 frames at 60fps, right? So that means basically 1 frame versus most faster competing solutions. But then I don't notice an obvious off-axis brightness issue either in my (admittedly bright) living room. That's how tropical locations work, I guess.

As always you may have personal sensitivity that is greater, especially if you spend a lot of time with Street Fighter or rhythm game input timing. But in games like Horizon, Odyssey, Xenoblade, etc. it's been completely fine for me.
 
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RedlineRonin said:
At all.

The idea of object based audio (setting aside the overhead component for a minute) is that it enables far more precision than was ever available before. It's all about being able to place objects directly within the audio space at various points. To do this, you can't have speakers with extreme dispersion (dipoles) or you lose the precision and accuracy that Atmos is designed around.

In an ideal world you'd probably do point source/direct radiating for all your speakers, but for most folks (myself included) you'll never get an ideal enough configuration, so you go bipoles.
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Which is why you do like I do - floorstanders at all four corners BWAH HA HA!

JB1981 said:
Reading horror stories online like these TVs can't be laid flat, the gases will leak and the screen will be distorted! I'm pretty sure the two times I moved I had the plasma laid flat in the back at least once and nothing happened.
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The "plasma" in plasma TVs doesn't act like the gas most people think of. I still crack up when I remember how clients would ask how often the plasma had to be refilled. :)
 
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Crazymoogle said:
I have the 900F, which is fairly similar to those in 1080p60 lag (40.8) and even going from an 800b (with sub 20) it's unnoticeable to me. 40 is a bit more than 2 frames at 60fps, right? So that means basically 1 frame versus most faster competing solutions. But then I don't notice an obvious off-axis brightness issue either in my (admittedly bright) living room. That's how tropical locations work, I guess.

As always you may have personal sensitivity that is greater, especially if you spend a lot of time with Street Fighter or rhythm game input timing. But in games like Horizon, Odyssey, Xenoblade, etc. it's been completely fine for me.
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Sweet, glad to hear, especially because you have the model that I order.

Asked about the other two because they have similar input lags.

Thanks!
 

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Watched "Star Trek - Into Darkness" yesterday on my LG SJ800V, which is only a Nano Cell and no OLED TV. But man, the beginning of that movie looks simply stunning in 4k HDR. Those colors are so vibrant, it's crazy.
Through the movie, there are many scenes filmed in IMAX, which look incredible and way better than the other scenes. No black bars, full size of the screen, better detail. Let's hope movies likes that will be completey filmed in IMAX in the future.
 
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